T-Mobile cutting support for pre-VoLTE devices in 2021, AT&T in 2022

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  • Reply 21 of 26
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?
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  • Reply 22 of 26
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?

    LOL.... So, in your eyes, 3G and flip-phones are obsolete and should be banned....   Got it.
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  • Reply 23 of 26
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?

    LOL.... So, in your eyes, 3G and flip-phones are obsolete and should be banned....   Got it.
    No bud, you don't got it.  What are you even talking about?  3G is being shut down by all the telecoms, so it is being obsoleted.  That bandwith is being reallocated.  This has nothing to do with what I think should be banned (which no one said 'cept your inner monologue apparently).  Flip phones have been VoLTE capable for a number of years.  Why would you think they're obsolete?  You seem a bit out of your depth on the topic.  LOL, indeed.
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  • Reply 24 of 26
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?

    LOL.... So, in your eyes, 3G and flip-phones are obsolete and should be banned....   Got it.
    No bud, you don't got it.  .... This has nothing to do with what I think....
    Sorry, "bud",  but why are you walking back your own statement?   To quote you:
    "How much longer of a view do you think there should be!  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?"

    Now you are trying to claim you never said that.
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  • Reply 25 of 26
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?

    LOL.... So, in your eyes, 3G and flip-phones are obsolete and should be banned....   Got it.
    No bud, you don't got it.  .... This has nothing to do with what I think....
    Sorry, "bud",  but why are you walking back your own statement?   To quote you:
    "How much longer of a view do you think there should be! ← (Dude, why on earth would you stoop so low as to change the punctuation in my sentence?  Everyone can see my original at the top of this page is a question.  Sad, bud.  I am disappoint.) I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?"

    Now you are trying to claim you never said that.
    Holy crap.  That's some pretty disingenuous BS you're trying to pull.  What I wrote was: "This has nothing to do with what I think should be banned (which no one said 'cept your inner monologue apparently)."  You trying to parse my words and chance their context by quoting a partial sentence is pretty bad form.  Also, don't change the punctuation in my sentences to push your narrative.   1. Quoting partial sentences to change context.  2. Switching punctuation to change context.  Pretty scummy, don't you think?
    "How much longer of a view do you think there should be? I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?"
    I am definitely not claiming I didn't say that.  I most certainly did make that statement.  Unfortunately, you didn't understand what you read.  The sentences you grossly misunderstood were a couple of rhetorical questions mocking your "quarterly bonus view" opinion.  3G has been supported for nearly 2 decades so it's obviously not being obsoleted for a quarterly bonus view.  It's also obvious that 3G has been supported for a reasonable amount of time.


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  • Reply 26 of 26
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to wonder if this is actually legal. Is it being done because they want to get rid of old equipment or is it being done to force people to purchase new equipment? Does this mean older flip phones will no longer be allowed on these networks? What about the typical "burn" phone? Are these capable of VoLTE? 

    There's nothing that requires them to support obsolete technology forever. Can't buy a VHS machine these days even if you have a whole library of movies you can't watch.
    I think what you wanted your analogy to say was: 1. Can't force companies to keep making VCR's simply because you have a whole library of tapes.  or 2. Can't for studios to produce their movies on tape simply because some people still have VCR's.  

    Your overarching point is valid.  No company has to support obsolete tech.  VoLTE was intro'd on phones in 2012, and in practical use by 2014 on Android and iOS devices.  This is really only an issue because of the poor communication by the TMob and especially AT&T.  


    No, you can't force companies to support "obsolete" tech.   But:
    1)  "Obsolete", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.   It is a judgement call, not a fact.
    2)  Quality companies that take the long view (as opposed to the quarterly bonus view) support their previous tech for some reasonable period of time.
    This argument makes no sense. 
    1. No one questioned whether or not "obsolete" was judgment or act.  Your quote is pretty non-specific and has no relation to the topic.  
    2  What?  3G networks have been supported in the US for nearly 20 years. How much longer of a view do you think there should be?  I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?

    LOL.... So, in your eyes, 3G and flip-phones are obsolete and should be banned....   Got it.
    No bud, you don't got it.  .... This has nothing to do with what I think....
    Sorry, "bud",  but why are you walking back your own statement?   To quote you:
    "How much longer of a view do you think there should be! ← (Dude, why on earth would you stoop so low as to change the punctuation in my sentence?  Everyone can see my original at the top of this page is a question.  Sad, bud.  I am disappoint.) I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?"

    Now you are trying to claim you never said that.
    Holy crap.  That's some pretty disingenuous BS you're trying to pull.  What I wrote was: "This has nothing to do with what I think should be banned (which no one said 'cept your inner monologue apparently)."  You trying to parse my words and chance their context by quoting a partial sentence is pretty bad form.  Also, don't change the punctuation in my sentences to push your narrative.   1. Quoting partial sentences to change context.  2. Switching punctuation to change context.  Pretty scummy, don't you think?
    "How much longer of a view do you think there should be? I mean, 2 decades is well beyond the quarterly bonus view, don't you think?"
    I am definitely not claiming I didn't say that.  I most certainly did make that statement.  Unfortunately, you didn't understand what you read.  The sentences you grossly misunderstood were a couple of rhetorical questions mocking your "quarterly bonus view" opinion.  3G has been supported for nearly 2 decades so it's obviously not being obsoleted for a quarterly bonus view.  It's also obvious that 3G has been supported for a reasonable amount of time.



    LOL.... Nice squirm!
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