TikTok files legal challenge against app ban executive order

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TikTok's long-awaited legal challenge against a presidential executive order that would effectively ban the app in the United States has arrived, with the video sharing service suing to "protect our rights, and the rights of our community and employees."




A lawsuit from TikTok has been in development since not long after President Donald Trump issued an executive order that would ban transactions with TikTok and WeChat in the United States after 45 days. As previously anticipated, the lawsuit has finally been filed against the order.

The press release announcing the filing explains the complaint as being one of due process, that the Trump Administration "ignored our extensive efforts to address its concerns, which we conducted fully and in good faith even as we disagreed with the concerns themselves."

Directly declaring the order seeks to ban TikTok "purportedly because of the speculative possibility that the application could be manipulated by the Chinese government," the filing claims "extraordinary measures" were taken to protect the privacy and security of US-based user data, including storing the data outside of China in the United States and Singapore. Software barriers are also added to keep the US data separate from other ByteDance products.

Furthermore TikTok believes the US government knew of these measures as part of a recent national security review of ByteDance's 2017 acquisition of the China-based Musical.ly. "As part of that review, Plaintiffs produced voluminous documentation to the US government documenting TikTok's security practices and made commitments that were more than sufficient to address any conceivable US government privacy or security concerns."

The Administration is accused of ignoring the lengths TikTok went to in terms of its security measures, including how its CEO, Global Chief Security Officer, and General Counsel are Americans based on the US, and so not subject to Chinese law.

The main complaint is that the executive order doesn't just ignore due process, but it also "authorizes the prohibition of activities that have not been found to be 'an unusual and extraordinary threat' as required by the International Emergency Economic Powers Act" that the order uses.

"By banning TikTok with no notice or opportunity to be heard (whether before or after the fact), the executive order violates the due process protections of the Fifth Amendment," writes TikTok. "The order is ultra vires because it is not based on a bona fide national emergency."

The complaint also includes claims the executive order addresses national security concerns about telecommunications companies and potential espionage surrounding telecommunications infrastructure, but that TikTok isn't classifiable as a telecommunications provider of the kind referred to in the order. There is also discussion of an almost year-long effort with the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, including offers to take numerous steps to ensure transparency and cooperation, but CIFUS "repeatedly refused to engage" with the company.

"To be clear, we far prefer constructive dialogue over litigation," writes the company. "But with the executive order threatening to bring a ban on our US operations - eliminating the creation of 10,000 American jobs and irreparably harming the millions of Americans who turn to this app for entertainment, connection, and legitimate livelihoods that are vital especially during the pandemic - we simply have no choice."

The legal challenge occurs during a period when ByteDance is trying to arrange a divestment of TikTok to another company based in the United States ahead of the 90-day deadline. Currently it is believed to be in talks with Microsoft and Oracle about a potential purchase of its US operations.

Apple waded into the battle on August 13, but in support of stopping the ban of WeChat. Joining as part of a group fo tech companies, Apple called for White House officials to clarify the relatively unclear executive order, such as by detailing what is exactly meant by banning "any transaction that is related to WeChat."

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 15
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    tmaysdw2001macseekercat52
  • Reply 2 of 15
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,290member
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    Just like Facebook, Google and a bunch of other American and foreign companies. Thus has everything to do with trump having his feelings hurt. 
    viclauyycronnmuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 15
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,924member
    American businesses operating in China have been screaming for a long time that they have been screwed over and over in China(forced hand over IP,design by Chinese goverment agencies,court system). US administration did lots of background work to protect the aspect of American people's future called private information before banning Chinese software companies. So please support your goverment or if you live in USA than relocate to China. leave this country. Your investment greed in these Chinese companies who are threat to US can not take priority over US national interest and security.
    cat52watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 15
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,924member
    rob53 said:
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    Just like Facebook, Google and a bunch of other American and foreign companies. Thus has everything to do with trump having his feelings hurt. 

    Get informed. Trump acted upon the recommendations from many US agencies who did detailed work about the threat to American people's information from Chinese companies like TikTok,WeChat,etc. Though Trump is politician like all others so love to take credit for doing so,
    edited August 2020 cat52watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 15
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    rob53 said:
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    Just like Facebook, Google and a bunch of other American and foreign companies. Thus has everything to do with trump having his feelings hurt. 
    Any person who claims to know the interior thoughts and motivations of others is full of shit.
    trustnoone00cat52watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 15
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    You hate China for whatever reason. 
  • Reply 7 of 15
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,123member
    tzeshan said:
    You hate China for whatever reason. 
    IP Theft
    Illegal occupation and militarization of Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.
    Human rights abuses of Muslim Uighurs and the "re-education" camps (i.e. "Internment camps")
    Ground zero of COVID19, H1N1 (Swine Flu), and H5N1 (Asian Avian Flu), and ???
    Key manipulator of the World Health Organization
    ... and the list could go on and on...

    But hey... what's not to hate right?  By all means go right ahead and explain it to us ignorant people since you're so smart.
    cat52tmaysdw2001beowulfschmidtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 15
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,290member
    For all of you who know everything about TikTok here's an article you should read, https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363405/trumps-tiktok-ban-legal-corruption-free-speech-china. Just because news agencies throw around things supposedly confirmed by government agencies, it's difficult to know who is actually telling the truth and who's making things up. As for blatant hatred for China, Chinese people most likely feel the same about us--and with good reason. All the things commenters have said about China are the same things the USA has done and continue to do. We're not perfect, in fact far from it. 

    Show me an official government document laying out the things TikTok has done. While you're doing that, make sure you give me a list of US companies doing the same thing. The latter shouldn't be difficult while the former will be next to impossible unless you're an employee of a few key agencies and even then, you'll be put in jail for disclosing them because they are most likely classified.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 15
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    sflocal said:
    tzeshan said:
    You hate China for whatever reason. 
    IP Theft
    Illegal occupation and militarization of Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.
    Human rights abuses of Muslim Uighurs and the "re-education" camps (i.e. "Internment camps")
    Ground zero of COVID19, H1N1 (Swine Flu), and H5N1 (Asian Avian Flu), and ???
    Key manipulator of the World Health Organization
    ... and the list could go on and on...

    But hey... what's not to hate right?  By all means go right ahead and explain it to us ignorant people since you're so smart.
    So you attribute all negative things in China as a reason to hate. I could name more negative things in US. But I know your reply will be simply that if I don't like US I can leave. lol
    rob53muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 10 of 15
    wood1208 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    Just like Facebook, Google and a bunch of other American and foreign companies. Thus has everything to do with trump having his feelings hurt. 

    Get informed. Trump acted upon the recommendations from many US agencies who did detailed work about the threat..
    Funny. All Americans spy agencies said Russian is fooling around with US election. Trump did nothing.

    Or more accurately, Donald forbidden agencies to do anything.
    ronnmuthuk_vanalingamuraharawatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 15
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,027member
    viclauyyc said:
    wood1208 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    Just like Facebook, Google and a bunch of other American and foreign companies. Thus has everything to do with trump having his feelings hurt. 

    Get informed. Trump acted upon the recommendations from many US agencies who did detailed work about the threat..
    Funny. All Americans spy agencies said Russian is fooling around with US election. Trump did nothing.

    Or more accurately, Donald forbidden agencies to do anything.

    Stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.  Russia's interference was limited to facebook ads both for and against Trump, both before and after the election.  Their goal was chaos. And who was president when it happened? Barack Obama.  
    SpamSandwichwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 15
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,027member

    tzeshan said:
    sflocal said:
    tzeshan said:
    You hate China for whatever reason. 
    IP Theft
    Illegal occupation and militarization of Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.
    Human rights abuses of Muslim Uighurs and the "re-education" camps (i.e. "Internment camps")
    Ground zero of COVID19, H1N1 (Swine Flu), and H5N1 (Asian Avian Flu), and ???
    Key manipulator of the World Health Organization
    ... and the list could go on and on...

    But hey... what's not to hate right?  By all means go right ahead and explain it to us ignorant people since you're so smart.
    So you attribute all negative things in China as a reason to hate. I could name more negative things in US. But I know your reply will be simply that if I don't like US I can leave. lol

    The Communist Chinese government is evil.  You can't even compare the "negative things"in the U.S. to their oppression, theft and outright acts of war.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 15
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,027member

    rob53 said:
    For all of you who know everything about TikTok here's an article you should read, https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363405/trumps-tiktok-ban-legal-corruption-free-speech-china. Just because news agencies throw around things supposedly confirmed by government agencies, it's difficult to know who is actually telling the truth and who's making things up. As for blatant hatred for China, Chinese people most likely feel the same about us--and with good reason. All the things commenters have said about China are the same things the USA has done and continue to do. We're not perfect, in fact far from it. 

    Show me an official government document laying out the things TikTok has done. While you're doing that, make sure you give me a list of US companies doing the same thing. The latter shouldn't be difficult while the former will be next to impossible unless you're an employee of a few key agencies and even then, you'll be put in jail for disclosing them because they are most likely classified.
    Delusional.  The Chinese government is deeply embedded in their "private" economy.  Tik Tok reports directly to the government.  No matter what their personal data security is, the ChiComs have access.  This doesn't compare to the U.S. in any respect.  U.S. companies do bad things, but they are not beholden to the government like Chinese companies are.  
    SpamSandwichwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 15
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,976member
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    This 'America first' line of thought reached a tipping point and slowly but surely the world is losing faith in the US as a reliable partner.

    We will have to see how this case plays out but it could be just another nail in the US coffin of global supply chain trust and participation and communications businesses. 

    https://www.fierceelectronics.com/electronics/major-semi-trade-groups-blast-trump-crackdown-huawei

    Throwing executive orders at everything you don't like under the guise of national security isn't going to work forever. China just came out to rebuke Pompeo's 'clean networks' claim by labelling the US' record on global network interference as 'scandalous'. 

    Unfortunately, the damage is done and US technology businesses are waking up to the fact that the future is far from bright. 

  • Reply 15 of 15
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    avon b7 said:
    Good luck, dummies. They’re a security threat and they are not an American company. This is DOA.
    This 'America first' line of thought reached a tipping point and slowly but surely the world is losing faith in the US as a reliable partner.

    We will have to see how this case plays out but it could be just another nail in the US coffin of global supply chain trust and participation and communications businesses. 

    https://www.fierceelectronics.com/electronics/major-semi-trade-groups-blast-trump-crackdown-huawei

    Throwing executive orders at everything you don't like under the guise of national security isn't going to work forever. China just came out to rebuke Pompeo's 'clean networks' claim by labelling the US' record on global network interference as 'scandalous'. 

    Unfortunately, the damage is done and US technology businesses are waking up to the fact that the future is far from bright. 

    Can you imagine what the word will become under four more years of Trump then eight more years of Pompeo? White Americans need to wake up and review what damage Hitler has done to Germany under what pretense. 
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