Facebook, who often ‘fact checks’ and censors some speech they disagree with, but then allows other speech to remain which is just as (or more) inaccurate but aligns with their own viewpoint, accusing Apple of using their position to unfairly affect and influence others. Right...
It’s called deflection.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have become too big for the services they offer, because they can far too easily influence public perception. No person or business should ever have that large of scope over what the public is ‘allowed’ to hear or what they ‘should’ hear.
It wasn’t long ago that Facebook got caught misusing their enterprise certificate. It got yanked as a result. They thought it was OK to monitor children’s browsing habits for a few bucks. They are trying to make this sort of sinister behaviour easier to accomplish by being able to sidestep an ethically-controlled ecosystem.
Sorry, Zuckerberg. It took us a while, but we figured you and your motives out. Go play in the Android sandbox and leave us be.
Apple has been throwing a few light punches in this fight but they need to throw bigger punches. E.g., Walmart doesn't have to justify not carrying Samsung in their stores, (if it didn't want to carry them) so why would Apple have to justify not carrying Facebook's apps? Apple, being on the receiving end of a major international lawsuit like this, should be more than grounds enough to remove Facebooks's apps from the App Store.
And I've said it three or four times this month, but Apple needs to allow people to remove iOS and install any OS they want, but doing that won't allow access to Apple's software or services, just as Android phones don't have access to Apple's software or services. Correction: I read that Apple is allowing Android shortly to access Apple Music. So some services will be available from a non-iOS iPhone. I'm sure less than 1% of iPhone users would remove iOS. But Apple could at least argue it's free and permitted to do that. It would get regulators off of Apple's back.
Apple has been throwing a few light punches in this fight but they need to throw bigger punches. E.g., Walmart doesn't have to justify not carrying Samsung in their stores, (if it didn't want to carry them) so why would Apple have to justify not carrying Facebook's apps? Apple, being on the receiving end of a major international lawsuit like this, should be more than grounds enough to remove Facebooks's apps from the App Store.
And I've said it three or four times this month, but Apple needs to allow people to remove iOS and install any OS they want, but doing that won't allow access to Apple's software or services, just as Android phones don't have access to Apple's software or services. Correction: I read that Apple is allowing Android shortly to access Apple Music. So some services will be available from a non-iOS iPhone. I'm sure less than 1% of iPhone users would remove iOS. But Apple could at least argue it's free and permitted to do that. It would get regulators off of Apple's back.
I was all set to argue with you, but as I read your post I realized this makes a lot of sense. Just as you can take a Mac, nuke it, and load Windows on it, let anyone who wants to load Android, or Linux or whatever on their phone do it. You want to do it go right ahead, but you are on your own, and don’t come crying to Apple if your system gets trashed with Malware.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
It's in the air. Facebook is merely piling on with all the other losers who are trying to use the court of public opinion, and seemingly sympathetic government agencies, to obscure their own ineptitude, inability to compete, and lack of investment in procuring an infrastructure that allows them to control their own destiny. They all purposely decided to be a tail on the dog to make a quick buck on the back end of the dog. Now they have come to realize that they can't wag the whole dog, so they are looking to government regulators to wag the dog for them.
The day that a court or government agency forces Apple (or Google or Amazon) to relinquish control over what they have planted, nurtured, and grown to such successful heights will be a sad day for true innovators and entrepreneurs. Apple's App Store will effectively become a regulated public service utility to be administered by bureaucrats and paid for by taxpayers. Perhaps this is an unavoidable and inevitable process in the path of technical evolution, much like what happened with the power grid, communication airwaves, public roads, and other essential utilities.
The ironic thing with Facebook here is that eventually someone is going to ask the question: "So Mr Zuckerberg, who exactly are the competitors in your market that make you a member of the non-monopolistic club?" I can't think of anyone who comes close to competing with Facebook, or should I say, anyone that they have not already bought out. If or when the anti-monopoly wolves that Facebook has called on to attack Apple come slinking around I think they will find that Facebook is one massively plump and juicy fatted calf ripe for their picking. Be careful what you ask for, Zucky cow, you may be the main course.
I don’t think Apple is at all worried about the prospect of being regulated as a “platform utility” (via Elizabeth Warren) — with a few easily-resolved exceptions, they already behave as a model for how such a utility should act. So it would not be a big step for them.
It would, however, be a major problem for Facebook — I think you can date Zuckerberg’s shift to around the time Warren introduced the term “platform utility” into political discourse. As I understand it, he has set Facebook up so that his heirs will control the company in perpetuity — he wants the power and influence of being a utility, but without responsibility or regulation. Apple is the antithesis of that.
Facebook, who often ‘fact checks’ and censors some speech they disagree with, but then allows other speech to remain which is just as (or more) inaccurate but aligns with their own viewpoint, accusing Apple of using their position to unfairly affect and influence others. Right...
It’s called deflection.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have become too big for the services they offer, because they can far too easily influence public perception. No person or business should ever have that large of scope over what the public is ‘allowed’ to hear or what they ‘should’ hear.
Yeah no, that’s not how the fact checking works. It’s not about opinion, it’s about facts. So when the president makes things up, FB and Twitter fact check with the actual facts of about mail-in voting, or COVID, or what have you. It’s not about opinions.
Apple has been throwing a few light punches in this fight but they need to throw bigger punches. E.g., Walmart doesn't have to justify not carrying Samsung in their stores, (if it didn't want to carry them) so why would Apple have to justify not carrying Facebook's apps? Apple, being on the receiving end of a major international lawsuit like this, should be more than grounds enough to remove Facebooks's apps from the App Store.
And I've said it three or four times this month, but Apple needs to allow people to remove iOS and install any OS they want, but doing that won't allow access to Apple's software or services, just as Android phones don't have access to Apple's software or services. Correction: I read that Apple is allowing Android shortly to access Apple Music. So some services will be available from a non-iOS iPhone. I'm sure less than 1% of iPhone users would remove iOS. But Apple could at least argue it's free and permitted to do that. It would get regulators off of Apple's back.
I was all set to argue with you, but as I read your post I realized this makes a lot of sense. Just as you can take a Mac, nuke it, and load Windows on it, let anyone who wants to load Android, or Linux or whatever on their phone do it. You want to do it go right ahead, but you are on your own, and don’t come crying to Apple if your system gets trashed with Malware.
It's a good feeling, not only to have someone agree with you, but to have them admit that you actually won them over to your point of view. Thanks. Especially when the person is obviously a senior commenter on these forums. It's hard to change anybody's mind on any subject. Your parallel with Macs is something I should have said myself. How many people replace macOS with Windows on Macs? Not many, probably under 1%. In the case of the Secure Element, it gets a bit tricky. But Android doesn't use an onboard secure element so that piece of hardware would likely just be ignored by the replacement OS.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
You won't like it but Facebook appears to be getting some support from Republicans and a little from Trump and hopefully that will end. Of course the corporatist Democrats will go after Facebook as well so might as well try and get something before Facebook is shut down.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
You won't like it but Facebook appears to be getting some support from Republicans and a little from Trump and hopefully that will end. Of course the corporatist Democrats will go after Facebook as well so might as well try and get something before Facebook is shut down.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
You won't like it but Facebook appears to be getting some support from Republicans and a little from Trump and hopefully that will end. Of course the corporatist Democrats will go after Facebook as well so might as well try and get something before Facebook is shut down.
While I agree with you that your president and his party are using FB for their political propaganda for a long long time (4+ years), I don't think FB is shutting down anytime soon. The assumption there is - Trump will lose the presidential election. Don't ever be sure about it. Everyone seems to be under the misplaced thinking that - Trump cannot fool all the people all the time and that would ensure Trump's defeat. The reality is - there is NO need to "fool all the people all the time". Just fool majority (50%+) of the people for most of the times and Trump is good to go for another 4 years. FB/Russians are helping Trump with propaganda and don't underestimate the power of right wing's ability to FOOL most of the people most of the times. The real question is - Are democrats good enough to outwit Trump at his own game? We will come to know about it in few months.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
I'm guessing Apple's work on preventing ad-tracking has something to do with it - that's potentially a major threat to Facebook's business model.
I wonder what has led Facebook into taking on Apple on multiple fronts? It wasn't all that many years ago that Facebook was deeply integrated into your iPhone (was it iOS6?). Apple and Facebook were besties. Things have certainly done a major turn this year, and Facebook is being loud and vehement for whatever reason. Does anyone know why?
Throw enough s*** on the wall and it will stick somewhere.
But why now?
Apple have increasingly proposed themselves as the pro-privacy big tech company, and Facebook are one of the top two contenders for the anti-privacy tech company, because of their reliance on advertising. I imagine the new changes were one step too far for Facebook, impacting heavily on their business model, so that conflict has come out into the open.
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It’s called deflection.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have become too big for the services they offer, because they can far too easily influence public perception. No person or business should ever have that large of scope over what the public is ‘allowed’ to hear or what they ‘should’ hear.
And I've said it three or four times this month, but Apple needs to allow people to remove iOS and install any OS they want, but doing that won't allow access to Apple's software or services, just as Android phones don't have access to Apple's software or services. Correction: I read that Apple is allowing Android shortly to access Apple Music. So some services will be available from a non-iOS iPhone. I'm sure less than 1% of iPhone users would remove iOS. But Apple could at least argue it's free and permitted to do that. It would get regulators off of Apple's back.
Along with that take their social apps like iMessage and Clips more seriously. Clips could have been Tik Tok but Apple doesn't give a damn.
It would, however, be a major problem for Facebook — I think you can date Zuckerberg’s shift to around the time Warren introduced the term “platform utility” into political discourse. As I understand it, he has set Facebook up so that his heirs will control the company in perpetuity — he wants the power and influence of being a utility, but without responsibility or regulation. Apple is the antithesis of that.
While I agree with you that your president and his party are using FB for their political propaganda for a long long time (4+ years), I don't think FB is shutting down anytime soon. The assumption there is - Trump will lose the presidential election. Don't ever be sure about it. Everyone seems to be under the misplaced thinking that - Trump cannot fool all the people all the time and that would ensure Trump's defeat. The reality is - there is NO need to "fool all the people all the time". Just fool majority (50%+) of the people for most of the times and Trump is good to go for another 4 years. FB/Russians are helping Trump with propaganda and don't underestimate the power of right wing's ability to FOOL most of the people most of the times. The real question is - Are democrats good enough to outwit Trump at his own game? We will come to know about it in few months.
And complaining to the EU no less, one of the authorities most concerned with Facebook’s gross privacy violations.
They can’t read the room, or it seems even have a memory longer than a few months.