This is now the de facto US approach to basically anything successful coming out of China. Crush it on so called national security grounds. People are now even mocking that notion by labelling it National Insecurity grounds.
The original poster never mentioned lack of supporting evidence by the Trump admin, although I grant you he may very well feel that to be the case.
Regardless, Europeans are known to be extremely soft on rogue nations, whether the likes of a China or an Iran, so I would be rather surprised if anyone in Europe approves of a hard line against the Chinese.
Europeans suffer from perpetually anemic economies due to their embrace of socialism, they need all the trade deals they can muster therefore in order to stay afloat, which is why they are quite willing to look the other way when it comes to national security improprieties.
The US on the other hand has both the economic strength as well as the moral courage to keep countries such as China or Iran in check. But don't expect any such thing from Brussels.
You are very ill informed on Europe, where long before Trump's protectionist actions against China started to damage US interests, it was taking steps in semiconductor self suffiency to reduce and then eliminate reliance on US technologies.
In fact US actions against China at current levels are extremely new and more to the point are actually aimed at increasing trade with China! How did you manage to miss that?
The EU, like China has a large enough internal market to keep it afloat. The US is now severing all hope of reaching the middle ground (where previous presidents have set out their stalls) so the damage is done. Now, all that is left is to witness the consequences and no one can say they weren't warned
Voices of alarm have been raised right from the outset at every level imaginable. Even the Pentagon stepped in at one point.
So, Trump claimed the trade war with China would be easy to win and he liked them. Now, he'll have to explain why he has been unable to win that 'easy' war.
I will add that Europe has sought hard facts to support the national security angle and found nothing of note. My Huawei data, in accordance with EU law, never leaves EU territory without my express consent. It is stored on datacenters within the EU and is governed by standard, secure procedures and policies. It is managed by a subsidiary of Huawei which in fact is a company incorporated in the Republic of Ireland.
There are now a few cyber security centres in the EU where Huawei and different government branches can take long hard looks at what Huawei is producing and Huawei also has security clearance from the standards bodies governing the different G flavours.
This is now the de facto US approach to basically anything successful coming out of China. Crush it on so called national security grounds. People are now even mocking that notion by labelling it National Insecurity grounds.
The original poster never mentioned lack of supporting evidence by the Trump admin, although I grant you he may very well feel that to be the case.
Regardless, Europeans are known to be extremely soft on rogue nations, whether the likes of a China or an Iran, so I would be rather surprised if anyone in Europe approves of a hard line against the Chinese.
Europeans suffer from perpetually anemic economies due to their embrace of socialism, they need all the trade deals they can muster therefore in order to stay afloat, which is why they are quite willing to look the other way when it comes to national security improprieties.
The US on the other hand has both the economic strength as well as the moral courage to keep countries such as China or Iran in check. But don't expect any such thing from Brussels.
In fairness, the EU is starting to come around on Human Rights violations in China. Whether they will chance losing trade with China is the question. My guess is that Germany is starting to see China as impacting its exports/manufacturing base anyway, and has begun to question its trade policy with the authoritarian and mercantile China.
This is now the de facto US approach to basically anything successful coming out of China. Crush it on so called national security grounds. People are now even mocking that notion by labelling it National Insecurity grounds.
The original poster never mentioned lack of supporting evidence by the Trump admin, although I grant you he may very well feel that to be the case.
Regardless, Europeans are known to be extremely soft on rogue nations, whether the likes of a China or an Iran, so I would be rather surprised if anyone in Europe approves of a hard line against the Chinese.
Europeans suffer from perpetually anemic economies due to their embrace of socialism, they need all the trade deals they can muster therefore in order to stay afloat, which is why they are quite willing to look the other way when it comes to national security improprieties.
The US on the other hand has both the economic strength as well as the moral courage to keep countries such as China or Iran in check. But don't expect any such thing from Brussels.
In fairness, the EU is starting to come around on Human Rights violations in China. Whether they will chance losing trade with China is the question. My guess is that Germany is starting to see China as impacting its exports/manufacturing base anyway, and has begun to question its trade policy with the authoritarian and mercantile China.
Of course the White House isn't Happy. This whole thing is a political sham. BS to try and win votes by being hard on the Chinese. They want to nurse it out as long as they can get the press to pay attention.
With everything else going on in 2020, do you really think Trump being hard on TikTok is going to influence the average Joe to vote one way or the other?
No, but that isn't the issue. Does Trump think it might play well, that's the question.
You guys are forgetting that a lot of our younger voters use TikTok and this could royally upset them if they're not able to use it.
When TikTok users move out of their parent’s basements and start to pay taxes from their job, then I’ll pay attention to them. Their opinions right now are irrelevant.
Funny, a good friend of mine, (who also happens to be in her late 20's) uses TikTok quite a bit. Maybe you haven't used TikTok because it does not "meet your demographic" you would be surprised of the age range on that app. I have seen videos from kids all the way to older parents and everything in-between.
None of these factors matter. The President is the head of national security (whether anyone here likes that fact or not) and if he sees sufficient reason to ban this app, it’s banned.
Sure but my point is, if he pisses off the little more than 68% install base who can vote, that could leave Trump without just a little more 25.16 million votes in November. Sure not all of those are die hard TikTok users but he could lose a few million votes because of it. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
Do you think Trump is going to lose a *couple of million votes* if it got banned? LOL.
Most people vote based on opinion of party and if you piss someone off for taking something away from them, that will change their opinion. So yes, he could lose a couple million.
Of course the White House isn't Happy. This whole thing is a political sham. BS to try and win votes by being hard on the Chinese. They want to nurse it out as long as they can get the press to pay attention.
With everything else going on in 2020, do you really think Trump being hard on TikTok is going to influence the average Joe to vote one way or the other?
No, but that isn't the issue. Does Trump think it might play well, that's the question.
You guys are forgetting that a lot of our younger voters use TikTok and this could royally upset them if they're not able to use it.
When TikTok users move out of their parent’s basements and start to pay taxes from their job, then I’ll pay attention to them. Their opinions right now are irrelevant.
Funny, a good friend of mine, (who also happens to be in her late 20's) uses TikTok quite a bit. Maybe you haven't used TikTok because it does not "meet your demographic" you would be surprised of the age range on that app. I have seen videos from kids all the way to older parents and everything in-between.
None of these factors matter. The President is the head of national security (whether anyone here likes that fact or not) and if he sees sufficient reason to ban this app, it’s banned.
Sure but my point is, if he pisses off the little more than 68% install base who can vote, that could leave Trump without just a little more 25.16 million votes in November. Sure not all of those are die hard TikTok users but he could lose a few million votes because of it. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
An app that was a Vine ripoff can probably be fairly easily replaced.
So then tell me why the app Byte (made from the creators of Vine) has less users than TikTok.
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In fact US actions against China at current levels are extremely new and more to the point are actually aimed at increasing trade with China! How did you manage to miss that?
The EU, like China has a large enough internal market to keep it afloat. The US is now severing all hope of reaching the middle ground (where previous presidents have set out their stalls) so the damage is done. Now, all that is left is to witness the consequences and no one can say they weren't warned
Voices of alarm have been raised right from the outset at every level imaginable. Even the Pentagon stepped in at one point.
So, Trump claimed the trade war with China would be easy to win and he liked them. Now, he'll have to explain why he has been unable to win that 'easy' war.
I will add that Europe has sought hard facts to support the national security angle and found nothing of note. My Huawei data, in accordance with EU law, never leaves EU territory without my express consent. It is stored on datacenters within the EU and is governed by standard, secure procedures and policies. It is managed by a subsidiary of Huawei which in fact is a company incorporated in the Republic of Ireland.
There are now a few cyber security centres in the EU where Huawei and different government branches can take long hard looks at what Huawei is producing and Huawei also has security clearance from the standards bodies governing the different G flavours.
So then tell me why the app Byte (made from the creators of Vine) has less users than TikTok.