Users can now set Microsoft Outlook, Edge as iOS 14 defaults

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  • Reply 21 of 22
    sflocal said:
    I know Apple is doing this to provide some flexibility for those users that have been begging for this flexibility, I hope Apple doesn't go too far with this, as I could easily see it becoming the inconsistent mess that is Android.

    The simplicity and was of iOS being standard across all phones and releases is why I continue using it.  Too much flexibility - like Android - is just too much.  When I'm working on android phones at the office, I just shake my head at how difficult it can be to use when things are all over the place.
    Nothing you wrote makes any sense.  At all.   Not even sure what you mean by inconsistent.  Heck, I'm not even sure you know what you mean.  It just sounds like you're making generic complaints that aren't based in reality.   Android isn't difficult to use.  Most of the world's smartphone using populace has no difficulty using it. I mean, literal children, have no difficulty using it.  If you're shaking your head about Android difficulty, that says more about you than it does about any supposed difficulties of Android.  Too much flexibility?  C'mon dude.  You can stick with a stock iOS setup and be happy.  It's still there.  Apple offering flexibility does mean you are forced to use any of the options.  For the people that want to use the options... that has nothing to do with you or your devices.  

    iOS wouldn't be half as capable as it is if Apple followed your thinking.
    Incorrect. As the resident tech guy with my friends, I’ve fielded countless tech support sessions over the years with normals trying to get their crappy knockoffs and Samsungs to do what they want. And man using them felt gross, not nearly as clean and simple as iOS and its Settings. Without a doubt iOS is easier, especially for my senior family members. (Tho it used to be even easier before things started getting more complex around iOS 7...the OS X-style candy UI was easier, there weren’t so many share sheets and hidden functionality within, accidental drag & drop, etc..)
    Not incorrect, simply a different anecdote.  And like buttholes, everybody has one.  As the resident tech guy with my friends explaining the ins and outs of Android is no harder than explaining the ins and outs of iOS, Mac OS, or Windows.  Most of my tech advice centers around integration since the vast majority of the people I know have tech from multiple ecosystems.  I've always suggested people build their tech around what they want to achieve, not around a particular ecosystem.  Now it might work best for that person to be all Apple, or all Samsung, or All MS.  It also might work better for them to "a la carte" it.  It depends on the individual and their desires.  

    But to say without a doubt iOS is easier is just an opinion.  No more valid than an opinion that Android is.  Neither is that difficult... for the young or the stereotypical "clueless" seniors. (Not really sure why anecdotal seniors are always, always so helpless.  Narrative building maybe, idk.  The one's I know are pretty sharp.) ←Anecdotes, like buttholes amirite? Iamrite.
    No, it's incorrect. You stated it as fact (Android isn't difficult to use, no problem using it, etc), but your statement isn't fact. If you had presented it as just another opinion, sure, no issue there. As for iOS I don't even think it's opinion that iOS is easier than Android, that's the entire value proposition of iOS -- it's easier. 

    As for seniors, it's not a narrative, it's simply reality. They didn't grow up with computing gizmos, and they don't have exceptionally fine motor control, making the nuances  between tap, long-tap, tap-and-drag more challenging. Hell my dad still double-clicks links in web pages, and listening to Gruber's podcasts this is not unusual...they just didn't grow up with this stuff so the reasons for a click vs a double click (double-clicking is a shortcut on desktop OSes for "run") are lost on them. Since I support so many old people, getting them to the easier platform is the name of the game. Android was always jankier, from settings to the simple act of scrolling. Maybe it's gotten better in recent years, dunno. 
    This is correct. It all goes back to the MS and Android approach of trying to be all things to all people. Writing an OS to run on a wide array of 3rd party hardware introduces endless variables. For those who are capable of getting under the hood and customizing what they want, this is sometimes preferable. Those folks are also far more comfortable with janky (love that word) workarounds that accomplish a desired end, even at the price of being awkward.

    Apple writes operating systems to run only their hardware. This limits variables. They focus on consistent UI, even in 3rd party apps. Few things require a reference manual to figure out.

    So yes, providing ad hoc tech support to less sophisticated users, including one's senior friends and family is easier with iOS. There are fewer things they could've done to gob everything up prior to asking for help, and guiding someone through various steps over the phone (the same phone they're trying to figure out) is more consistent and intuitive, and less likely to seize up and cut you off in the process.
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  • Reply 22 of 22
    sflocal said:
    I know Apple is doing this to provide some flexibility for those users that have been begging for this flexibility, I hope Apple doesn't go too far with this, as I could easily see it becoming the inconsistent mess that is Android.

    The simplicity and was of iOS being standard across all phones and releases is why I continue using it.  Too much flexibility - like Android - is just too much.  When I'm working on android phones at the office, I just shake my head at how difficult it can be to use when things are all over the place.
    Nothing you wrote makes any sense.  At all.   Not even sure what you mean by inconsistent.  Heck, I'm not even sure you know what you mean.  It just sounds like you're making generic complaints that aren't based in reality.   Android isn't difficult to use.  Most of the world's smartphone using populace has no difficulty using it. I mean, literal children, have no difficulty using it.  If you're shaking your head about Android difficulty, that says more about you than it does about any supposed difficulties of Android.  Too much flexibility?  C'mon dude.  You can stick with a stock iOS setup and be happy.  It's still there.  Apple offering flexibility does mean you are forced to use any of the options.  For the people that want to use the options... that has nothing to do with you or your devices.  

    iOS wouldn't be half as capable as it is if Apple followed your thinking.
    Incorrect. As the resident tech guy with my friends, I’ve fielded countless tech support sessions over the years with normals trying to get their crappy knockoffs and Samsungs to do what they want. And man using them felt gross, not nearly as clean and simple as iOS and its Settings. Without a doubt iOS is easier, especially for my senior family members. (Tho it used to be even easier before things started getting more complex around iOS 7...the OS X-style candy UI was easier, there weren’t so many share sheets and hidden functionality within, accidental drag & drop, etc..)
    Not incorrect, simply a different anecdote.  And like buttholes, everybody has one.  As the resident tech guy with my friends explaining the ins and outs of Android is no harder than explaining the ins and outs of iOS, Mac OS, or Windows.  Most of my tech advice centers around integration since the vast majority of the people I know have tech from multiple ecosystems.  I've always suggested people build their tech around what they want to achieve, not around a particular ecosystem.  Now it might work best for that person to be all Apple, or all Samsung, or All MS.  It also might work better for them to "a la carte" it.  It depends on the individual and their desires.  

    But to say without a doubt iOS is easier is just an opinion.  No more valid than an opinion that Android is.  Neither is that difficult... for the young or the stereotypical "clueless" seniors. (Not really sure why anecdotal seniors are always, always so helpless.  Narrative building maybe, idk.  The one's I know are pretty sharp.) ←Anecdotes, like buttholes amirite? Iamrite.
    No, it's incorrect. You stated it as fact (Android isn't difficult to use, no problem using it, etc), but your statement isn't fact. If you had presented it as just another opinion, sure, no issue there. As for iOS I don't even think it's opinion that iOS is easier than Android, that's the entire value proposition of iOS -- it's easier. 

    As for seniors, it's not a narrative, it's simply reality. They didn't grow up with computing gizmos, and they don't have exceptionally fine motor control, making the nuances  between tap, long-tap, tap-and-drag more challenging. Hell my dad still double-clicks links in web pages, and listening to Gruber's podcasts this is not unusual...they just didn't grow up with this stuff so the reasons for a click vs a double click (double-clicking is a shortcut on desktop OSes for "run") are lost on them. Since I support so many old people, getting them to the easier platform is the name of the game. Android was always jankier, from settings to the simple act of scrolling. Maybe it's gotten better in recent years, dunno. 
    Fair enough.  It's my opinion that Android isn't difficult to use.  Just like it's your opinion -and it is just an opinion- that iOS is easier.  Opinions differ.  You keep offering up anecdotes in an attempt to support your opinion.  Not really sure why at this point.  I could do the same and we'd just be caught in ouroboros of opinion/anecdote.  Android ain't difficult.  Neither is iOS.   Not really sure about the seniors you deal with but most of the ones I know are as easy to instruct as any younger person.  As with everything ymmv.

    Based on your comment, it seems as if you haven't experienced the past few years of Android.  iOS and Android have borrowed so many features from each other that there's a heck of a lot more in common than there are differences... and they're getting more and more alike every iteration. ← yes, that's an opinion as well.  
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