Apple may keep Apple Stores open during second UK lockdown [u]

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in General Discussion edited November 2020
Despite the UK government ordering a second coronavirus lockdown from Thursday, Apple Stores in the country appear to be planning to remain open in a limited capacity, as they initially did in France's lockdown.

Apple Regent Street, London
Apple Regent Street, London


From midnight at the start of Thursday, November 5, the UK officially enters a second lockdown which means non-essential businesses and venues must close. The UK's published requirements are confusingly contradictory, however, and it appears that Apple may be planning to keep its local stores open in at least some ways.

An anonymous and unverified tip sent to AppleInsider originally informed us of this. The tip, purportedly from a UK Apple retail employee, claims staff were informed on Monday.

"Meeting had yesterday," wrote the emailer. "UK stores staying open for APU [Apple Pick Up] & GENIUS BAR."

"Employees deeply upset," continued the email. "Company has shifted safety stance to profit stance. Some Employees being forced to work during Lockdown."

AppleInsider has reached out to Apple, and got a response saying only that no decision has been made as yet.

Apple was among the first businesses to close its stores ahead of the UK's initial lockdown. If it keeps them open this time, it's possible that pickup of online orders could qualify as "click and collect." However, it's harder to see how Genius Bar appointments can remain eligible to be open under the UK government's guidelines.

Those official instructions specifically state that "certain businesses and venues" have been ordered to close, although there is still some confusion. Among those required to shut are "all non-essential retail, including but not limited to... electronics stores."

The definition of "non-essential" is very unclear, though. For instance, while the UK government, as expected, lists supermarkets as essential, it now says garden centers are too.

Plus overall, "click and collect services can continue." Also, "workplaces should stay open where people cannot work from home," though the examples given for that are "the construction or manufacturing sectors."

Many of the UK's 38 stores are already showing what they call "special opening hours." However, the only consistency to them is that every one is the same as the stores' regular ones.

Apple Stores in the UK are operating under the same conditions as in the US
Apple Stores in the UK are operating under the same conditions as in the US


Some are showing Thursday onwards as having these special hours, but others list only Thursday. Some locations have them before Thursday day, and so far all of them resume regular hours at some point.

Eleven stores are specifying that they are currently only open for "pickup of online orders, Genius Support by making an appointment, and shopping by reserving a one-to-one session with a Specialist." Apple's Belfast store remains closed entirely, but otherwise that means 26 stores stating no such limitations -- including the 5 in London.

Separately, France went into a new lockdown as of 21:00 CET on October 29. French journalist Gilles Dounes from MacPlus tells AppleInsider, though, that Apple Stores were allowed to remain open.

Apple Marche Saint-Germain, Paris
Apple Marche Saint-Germain, Paris


According to the French government's Decree No. 2020-1310, "prescribing the general measures necessary" for the lockdown, Apple Stores are considered essential. Listed among some 40 exemptions are two that apply to Apple.

Those are the retail sale of "d'equipements de l'information et de la communication" (information and communication equipment), and "d'ordinateurs, d'unites peripheriques," (computers and peripherals.) One key stipulation is that the sales must be in specialized stores, which means Apple Stores and approved resellers.

This has meant that flagship Apple Stores in Paris have been staying open "by appointment for the collection of your online orders and assistance with our Geniuses." However, worsening conditions in France now mean that all Apple Stores in the country are now closing. Some stores closed today, others will shut tomorrow, but all of them will then remain closed from Thursday 5 November until further notice.

Updated: 11:35 ET with new French closures.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,759member
    I suspect they're going to try and do click and collect only. Maybe they'll do similar for Genius appointments too, drop off/pick up outside the store. I had to go in just after they re-opened after lockdown 1.0 to get my iMac fixed, and it was socially distanced. Apple stores aren't exactly essential though.
  • Reply 2 of 14
    M68000M68000 Posts: 725member
    This would be surprising if true.  I thought the news that I saw said people should go out for very specific reasons only during the lockdown.  Hard to imagine going to an Apple store would be on the essential list.
    elijahg
  • Reply 3 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Going to wait for official word on this. It's unlikely that Apple will break UK guidelines as they're clearly not an essential shop and pretty much all of their purchases and support can be done online. I think AI might've been spoofed on this one.

    The definition of "non-essential" is very unclear, though. For instance, while the UK government, as expected, lists supermarkets as essential, it now says garden centers are too.

    Everything involving the UK government is unclear, especially when it comes to working out who's in charge. As near as I can make out, the country is being run by the Daily Express newspaper. 

    Supermarkets are remaining open because folk need to buy food.

    Garden centres are remaining open because they're open air.

    Gyms are shut because they're indoors.

    Golf courses are open because they're outdoors and because golfers are naturally socially distant as they have very few friends.

    The bars in the Parliament will probably remain open because the rules don't apply to politicians, and most of them regard alcohol as essential. For much the same reason, I imagine that brothels close to Westminster will remain open too.


    edited November 2020 mknelsoncat52
  • Reply 4 of 14
    mknelsonmknelson Posts: 1,125member
    Rayz2016:  :D

    During the spring lockdown here (Alberta) computer stores were allowed to stay open if they had a service department supporting work and schooling from home.

    That is the essential service.

    *and Gardening centres are where you get your supplies for your home vegetable garden. A bit out of season now, but I know quite a few UK homes have solariums where you could grow some herbs and tomatoes, etc.
  • Reply 5 of 14
    M68000 said:
    This would be surprising if true.  I thought the news that I saw said people should go out for very specific reasons only during the lockdown.  Hard to imagine going to an Apple store would be on the essential list.
    Agreed, unless the Government make an exemption related to supporting businesses with supply/repair of computer equipment/phones.

    Rayz2016 said:
    Golf courses are open because they're outdoors and because golfers are naturally socially distant as they have very few friends.

     :D  although the Government has stated Golf courses will be shut.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    The economy needs to not stop. So people need do need to keep working. Safely. 

    BUT Apple stores can operate their sales and genius repairs via mail services. So I don't see why they NEED to be open to customer visits. 

    There is a quirk in the UK where the Apple Upgrade Programme needs to be done in store, but Apple need to just get a grip and sort that out.

  • Reply 7 of 14
    Apparently it’s Barclays terms and conditions that stipulate an ‘in person’ upgrade. 
    But why Apple didn’t change this years ago I’ll never know. 
    I’ve spoken to Apple online chat and they told me stores will be totally closed. And upgrade programme customers will have a priority for order collections once they’re allowed to reopen. The only way to get the 12 Pro Max on launch day is by buying outright or through a carrier. 

    I’m debating the point of the programme tbh; given the 12 pro max is several weeks behind schedule it means I’ve made two further payments meaning the trade in value is now ~£100 more than what I owe on the finance so I’d make a profit by quitting the programme. 

    kkqd1337 said:
    The economy needs to not stop. So people need do need to keep working. Safely. 

    BUT Apple stores can operate their sales and genius repairs via mail services. So I don't see why they NEED to be open to customer visits. 

    There is a quirk in the UK where the Apple Upgrade Programme needs to be done in store, but Apple need to just get a grip and sort that out.


  • Reply 8 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    scartart said:
    M68000 said:
    This would be surprising if true.  I thought the news that I saw said people should go out for very specific reasons only during the lockdown.  Hard to imagine going to an Apple store would be on the essential list.
    Agreed, unless the Government make an exemption related to supporting businesses with supply/repair of computer equipment/phones.

    Rayz2016 said:
    Golf courses are open because they're outdoors and because golfers are naturally socially distant as they have very few friends.

     :D  although the Government has stated Golf courses will be shut.
    I stand corrected.
    edited November 2020
  • Reply 9 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    I think the UK government should close. Over the past seven months they’ve shown that they’re fairly non-essential. 
  • Reply 10 of 14
    You have got this very wrong! The UK is made up of four countries and when it comes to health policy during this crisis, each country decides for its own self. Therefore only England is going into lockdown on Thursday. PLEASE get your facts right! 

    Btw this is ironic since Thursday is the 5, Guy Fawkes night. When during 1605 he tired to blow up the English parliament lol.  

    REMEMBER, remember the Fifth of November, gunpowder, treason and plot,
    edited November 2020 cat52
  • Reply 11 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    macca said:
    You have got this very wrong! The UK is made up of four countries and when it comes to health policy during this crisis, each country decides for its own self. Therefore only England is going into lockdown on Thursday. PLEASE get your facts right! 

    Btw this is ironic since Thursday is the 5, Guy Fawkes night. When during 1605 he tired to blow up the English parliament lol.  

    REMEMBER, remember the Fifth of November, gunpowder, treason and plot,
    Yes, and I should really say the English government. Scotland’s First Minister has out-governed our own court buffoon at every turn. 
  • Reply 12 of 14
    maccamacca Posts: 23member
    Well English doesn’t have a government hopefully that will change one day. 

    I’m not the biggest fan of Boris (at least he’s way better than the racist Corbyn) but to say that the Scottish first minister has got it right at every turn with far less media pressure it is wrong. However to her credit the message has been clearer 
    cat52
  • Reply 13 of 14
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    macca said:
    Well English doesn’t have a government hopefully that will change one day. 
    It (England) doesn't have a devolved or dedicated government.  It certainly has a government.
  • Reply 14 of 14
    Scotland based Apple stores to remain open ... as mentioned above, Scotland is not in lockdown 👍🏻 
    Wales re-opening on Nov 12...
    ronncat52
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