Apple could begin producing its own car with a 'next level' battery in 2024

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  • Reply 41 of 99
    tmay said:


    There's a shit ton of EV's on the road, especially Tesla's, that are recognized fire hazards. Solid State batteries make those all obsolete.
    You're spouting abject nonsense.
    MplsPbloggerblog
  • Reply 42 of 99
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    But will anyone be able to afford it?
    Yes, of course. Millions of financially affluent people can and will afford it. People already pay $50-$100K for all types of vehicles. The Tesla Model X is around $120K.

    Ohhhh, you’re talking about the unwashed masses, the middle class. Well, they have the Leaf and the Bolt, Android and Samsung, Sony and Huawei. Cheap and good enough for them.

    Have you ordered your AirPod Max yet?
    edited December 2020 Beats
  • Reply 43 of 99
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    tmay said:


    There's a shit ton of EV's on the road, especially Tesla's, that are recognized fire hazards. Solid State batteries make those all obsolete.
    You're spouting abject nonsense.
    But he said it on the Internet so it must be true. /s
    anantksundaram
  • Reply 44 of 99
    Please Apple, no. Making cars is absurdly complex and very difficult to be profitable. Finding a location, building a plant to make the cars, crushing workers rights to make it profitable. Tesla lucked out getting an old Toyota plant for basically free.  I just hope they have developed a platform that then a large OEM like Ford might pick up to use.
  • Reply 45 of 99
    loopless said:
    Please Apple, no. Making cars is absurdly complex and very difficult to be profitable. Finding a location, building a plant to make the cars, crushing workers rights to make it profitable. Tesla lucked out getting an old Toyota plant for basically free.  I just hope they have developed a platform that then a large OEM like Ford might pick up to use.
    Damn, I hope they didn't invest too much into this before you could share your expertise with them. Have you informed Tim Cook yet? It sounds super important that he finds out before Apple wastes too much money in this.
    tobian
  • Reply 46 of 99
    loopless said:
    Please Apple, no. Making cars is absurdly complex and very difficult to be profitable. Finding a location, building a plant to make the cars, crushing workers rights to make it profitable. Tesla lucked out getting an old Toyota plant for basically free.  I just hope they have developed a platform that then a large OEM like Ford might pick up to use.
    They can just design the car and develop the technology, then use a company like Magna Steyr to do the production/assembly.  It would not be any different from their relationship with Foxconn, TMSC or any other third party manufacturer.  


    roundaboutnow
  • Reply 47 of 99
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,727member
    rcfa said:
    The only “next level” battery technology worth talking about is one without lithium.

    It makes me want to puke when self-righteous “environmentalists” drive around in their stupid BEVs pretending to save the world, while they destroy a unique eco system and the livelihoods of many indigenous people.

    BEVs based on lithium batteries are a disaster, lithium batteries in general are a disaster, but the sheer volume of those going into cars make them particularly unsustainable.

    EVs are not bad per se, that’s why there are either FCEVs, which would be best, because they also get rid of the charging problem, or BEVs with non-lithium batteries.

    I strongly hope that Apple isn’t the next billion dollar company greenwashing BEVs with lithium batteries.
    Asteroid and moon mining is within our sights now, who knows what rare earth elements might be in abundance out there.
  • Reply 48 of 99
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,687member
    lkrupp said:
    But will anyone be able to afford it?
    Yes, of course. Millions of financially affluent people can and will afford it. People already pay $50-$100K for all types of vehicles. The Tesla Model X is around $120K.

    Ohhhh, you’re talking about the unwashed masses, the middle class. Well, they have the Leaf and the Bolt, Android and Samsung, Sony and Huawei. Cheap and good enough for them.

    Have you ordered your AirPod Max yet?
    I would like to think you're joking...

    HiCar Module

    https://en.arabgt.com/the-worlds-first-car-with-hicar-system-by-huawei-supports-5g/

    https://www.mobilegeeks.com/article/huaweis-hicar-is-more-ambitious-than-you-think/

    HiCar Screen

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-announces-new-car-tech-that-puts-android-auto-and-carplay-to-shame-153430.html

    Mobile Data Center for Vehicles

    https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2018/10/huawei-mobile-data-center-hc2018

    SuperCharge Vehicle Charging 

    https://www.chinapev.com/breaking-news/huawei-hicharger-dc-fast-charging-module-released-maximum-power-30kw/

    High End Vehicle Platforms 

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/11/16/huawei-changan-carl-smart-car/

    Transit Management 

    https://www.itp.net/news/93505-huawei-launches-intelligent-traffic-management-solution-in-mea

    LiDAR

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-dreams-big-promises-super-cheap-lidar-radar-sensors-147744.html

    http://autonews.gasgoo.com/m/Detail/70017839.html

    And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. Having something a every single layer of the automobile stack from cloud to car and vehicle surroundings and interaction surely signifies that things are moving along the right lines. 

    The 'unwashed'  you say? 

    Please tell me you're joking 




    edited December 2020
  • Reply 49 of 99
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    tmay said:


    There's a shit ton of EV's on the road, especially Tesla's, that are recognized fire hazards. Solid State batteries make those all obsolete.
    You're spouting abject nonsense.
    Of course I am /s

    https://www.klkntv.com/home-tesla-left-charred-following-garage-fire/

    LOL! At least they didn't have Tesla's Solar Roof...
    edited December 2020
  • Reply 50 of 99
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    I’m still against this car crap at Apple. This is not their industry. It should not be their industry.
  • Reply 51 of 99
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    robaba said:

    self driving I can do without
    Here here. 100%. 
    tmaytobian
  • Reply 52 of 99
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    lkrupp said:
    But will anyone be able to afford it?
    Yes, of course. Millions of financially affluent people can and will afford it. People already pay $50-$100K for all types of vehicles. The Tesla Model X is around $120K.

    Ohhhh, you’re talking about the unwashed masses, the middle class. Well, they have the Leaf and the Bolt, Android and Samsung, Sony and Huawei. Cheap and good enough for them.

    Have you ordered your AirPod Max yet?
    “The unwashed masses”? Good enough for them”? Dude, what’s with the elitism?
  • Reply 53 of 99
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member

    MacPro said:
    rcfa said:
    The only “next level” battery technology worth talking about is one without lithium.

    It makes me want to puke when self-righteous “environmentalists” drive around in their stupid BEVs pretending to save the world, while they destroy a unique eco system and the livelihoods of many indigenous people.

    BEVs based on lithium batteries are a disaster, lithium batteries in general are a disaster, but the sheer volume of those going into cars make them particularly unsustainable.

    EVs are not bad per se, that’s why there are either FCEVs, which would be best, because they also get rid of the charging problem, or BEVs with non-lithium batteries.

    I strongly hope that Apple isn’t the next billion dollar company greenwashing BEVs with lithium batteries.
    Asteroid and moon mining is within our sights now, who knows what rare earth elements might be in abundance out there.
    It’s an absolute necessity that we get to this type of resource acquisition ASAP, but humanity is unmotivated... at the top, where the wealthy and the powerful are more interested in maintaining the status quo. I highly doubt we will see even the start of this infrastructure in our/my lifetime (I’m 45).

    This is stuff we would have been doing long ago if the “space race” hadn’t been purely about showing up the USSR on a once & done political gamble...
  • Reply 54 of 99
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    But will anyone be able to afford it?
    Yes, of course. Millions of financially affluent people can and will afford it. People already pay $50-$100K for all types of vehicles. The Tesla Model X is around $120K.

    Ohhhh, you’re talking about the unwashed masses, the middle class. Well, they have the Leaf and the Bolt, Android and Samsung, Sony and Huawei. Cheap and good enough for them.

    Have you ordered your AirPod Max yet?
    I would like to think you're joking...

    HiCar Module

    https://en.arabgt.com/the-worlds-first-car-with-hicar-system-by-huawei-supports-5g/

    https://www.mobilegeeks.com/article/huaweis-hicar-is-more-ambitious-than-you-think/

    HiCar Screen

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-announces-new-car-tech-that-puts-android-auto-and-carplay-to-shame-153430.html

    Mobile Data Center for Vehicles

    https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2018/10/huawei-mobile-data-center-hc2018

    SuperCharge Vehicle Charging 

    https://www.chinapev.com/breaking-news/huawei-hicharger-dc-fast-charging-module-released-maximum-power-30kw/

    High End Vehicle Platforms 

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/11/16/huawei-changan-carl-smart-car/

    Transit Management 

    https://www.itp.net/news/93505-huawei-launches-intelligent-traffic-management-solution-in-mea

    LiDAR

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-dreams-big-promises-super-cheap-lidar-radar-sensors-147744.html

    http://autonews.gasgoo.com/m/Detail/70017839.html

    And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. Having something a every single layer of the automobile stack from cloud to car and vehicle surroundings and interaction surely signifies that things are moving along the right lines. 

    The 'unwashed'  you say? 

    Please tell me you're joking 




    LOL!




    "I politely asked Huawei’s Vice President of Communications how he’d explain the reports on Huawei developing facial recognition that would trigger ‘Uighur alarms’ in Xinjiang. “I can’t, which I why I have resigned” he just responded."

    Huawei digging a deeper hole...
    Beats
  • Reply 55 of 99
    dysamoria said:
    I’m still against this car crap at Apple. This is not their industry. It should not be their industry.
    Exactly, they are in the computer industry, and has no business making… phones… and headphones… and media players… and watches… and online video rentals… and their own tv series… and…?
  • Reply 56 of 99
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    dysamoria said:

    MacPro said:
    rcfa said:
    The only “next level” battery technology worth talking about is one without lithium.

    It makes me want to puke when self-righteous “environmentalists” drive around in their stupid BEVs pretending to save the world, while they destroy a unique eco system and the livelihoods of many indigenous people.

    BEVs based on lithium batteries are a disaster, lithium batteries in general are a disaster, but the sheer volume of those going into cars make them particularly unsustainable.

    EVs are not bad per se, that’s why there are either FCEVs, which would be best, because they also get rid of the charging problem, or BEVs with non-lithium batteries.

    I strongly hope that Apple isn’t the next billion dollar company greenwashing BEVs with lithium batteries.
    Asteroid and moon mining is within our sights now, who knows what rare earth elements might be in abundance out there.
    It’s an absolute necessity that we get to this type of resource acquisition ASAP, but humanity is unmotivated... at the top, where the wealthy and the powerful are more interested in maintaining the status quo. I highly doubt we will see even the start of this infrastructure in our/my lifetime (I’m 45).

    This is stuff we would have been doing long ago if the “space race” hadn’t been purely about showing up the USSR on a once & done political gamble...
    Yeah, and Columbus was just interested in exploration when he set out to find India by heading West. And Ferdinand and Isabella put up the cash out of love of discovery, not for the prospect of gaining more wealth. Space exploration, like every single human endeavor, is done with the intention of profiting from it. Your claim that the conspiracy theory that  the ‘powerful and wealthy’   are deterring space exploration is blathering nonsense. Typical, though, of those who virulently hate rich people.
    anantksundaramtmayBeats
  • Reply 57 of 99
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,929member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:


    There's a shit ton of EV's on the road, especially Tesla's, that are recognized fire hazards. Solid State batteries make those all obsolete.
    You're spouting abject nonsense.
    Of course I am /s

    https://www.klkntv.com/home-tesla-left-charred-following-garage-fire/

    LOL! At least they didn't have Tesla's Solar Roof...
    ... and I can find stories of ICE cars that had a fuel leak or electrical problem and caught fire as well, yet they are not 'recognized fire hazards' any more than EVs are fire hazards. I can also find stories of furnaces exploding d/t gas leaks. Does that make them fire hazards, too? 
    muthuk_vanalingamroundaboutnowanantksundaram
  • Reply 58 of 99
    1348513485 Posts: 347member
    dysamoria said:

    MacPro said:
    rcfa said:
    The only “next level” battery technology worth talking about is one without lithium.

    It makes me want to puke when self-righteous “environmentalists” drive around in their stupid BEVs pretending to save the world, while they destroy a unique eco system and the livelihoods of many indigenous people.

    BEVs based on lithium batteries are a disaster, lithium batteries in general are a disaster, but the sheer volume of those going into cars make them particularly unsustainable.

    EVs are not bad per se, that’s why there are either FCEVs, which would be best, because they also get rid of the charging problem, or BEVs with non-lithium batteries.

    I strongly hope that Apple isn’t the next billion dollar company greenwashing BEVs with lithium batteries.
    Asteroid and moon mining is within our sights now, who knows what rare earth elements might be in abundance out there.
    It’s an absolute necessity that we get to this type of resource acquisition ASAP, but humanity is unmotivated... at the top, where the wealthy and the powerful are more interested in maintaining the status quo. I highly doubt we will see even the start of this infrastructure in our/my lifetime (I’m 45).

    This is stuff we would have been doing long ago if the “space race” hadn’t been purely about showing up the USSR on a once & done political gamble...
    Do you have any concept of the expense of 1) establishing a mining operation on the moon, and 2) the "astronomical" expense of ferrying shiploads of ore back to earth, much less the expense of lifting those same empty vessels back off the Earth, into orbit and back to the moon?
  • Reply 59 of 99
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,687member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    But will anyone be able to afford it?
    Yes, of course. Millions of financially affluent people can and will afford it. People already pay $50-$100K for all types of vehicles. The Tesla Model X is around $120K.

    Ohhhh, you’re talking about the unwashed masses, the middle class. Well, they have the Leaf and the Bolt, Android and Samsung, Sony and Huawei. Cheap and good enough for them.

    Have you ordered your AirPod Max yet?
    I would like to think you're joking...

    HiCar Module

    https://en.arabgt.com/the-worlds-first-car-with-hicar-system-by-huawei-supports-5g/

    https://www.mobilegeeks.com/article/huaweis-hicar-is-more-ambitious-than-you-think/

    HiCar Screen

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-announces-new-car-tech-that-puts-android-auto-and-carplay-to-shame-153430.html

    Mobile Data Center for Vehicles

    https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2018/10/huawei-mobile-data-center-hc2018

    SuperCharge Vehicle Charging 

    https://www.chinapev.com/breaking-news/huawei-hicharger-dc-fast-charging-module-released-maximum-power-30kw/

    High End Vehicle Platforms 

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/11/16/huawei-changan-carl-smart-car/

    Transit Management 

    https://www.itp.net/news/93505-huawei-launches-intelligent-traffic-management-solution-in-mea

    LiDAR

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/huawei-dreams-big-promises-super-cheap-lidar-radar-sensors-147744.html

    http://autonews.gasgoo.com/m/Detail/70017839.html

    And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. Having something a every single layer of the automobile stack from cloud to car and vehicle surroundings and interaction surely signifies that things are moving along the right lines. 

    The 'unwashed'  you say? 

    Please tell me you're joking 




    LOL!




    "I politely asked Huawei’s Vice President of Communications how he’d explain the reports on Huawei developing facial recognition that would trigger ‘Uighur alarms’ in Xinjiang. “I can’t, which I why I have resigned” he just responded."

    Huawei digging a deeper hole...
    And the car connection is...? 
  • Reply 60 of 99
    People forget that gasoline is a battery - a chemical battery. Gasoline can even be constructed at home using water and carbon dioxide. The reason we drill it up from the ground is because it's free down there and doesn't require electricity to create it by modifying the chemical bonds of H2O and CO2. Water isn't a pollutant. Some people say CO2 is a pollutant, but actually it won't count as a pollutant in this case if the CO2 is already pulled out o the atmosphere in the first place to create your fuel. That makes this fuel carbon-neutral. This technique isn't theory, it's fact. One company, Carbon Engineering, is already making gasoline this way and the price is only $4/gallon, which is pretty close to the world price of oil already.

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