The fact that there would be a documentary made about this 18-year-old who knows absolutely nothing about life and who constantly lectures everyone on “wokeness” is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching a 17-year-old Miley Cyrus “coach“ American idol musicians. I have nothing against her music, although I don’t know it very well. What I object to is the unbelievable arrogance and entitlement of her generation, and the one preceding it. She makes millennials look selfless and only interested in “doing work.”
Whew. OK then. You know, you didn't ask for advice, so I'll save you the effort of telling me to go pound sand, but a word from someone who is coming up on his 50th birthday: There are two natural reactions to diverging behaviors and opinions in the generations that follow your own. One is to coarsely reject them out-of-hand as deviations from a standard we believe to be true. The other is to realize the actions of your generation, and those that precede us. have a difficult to define influence on those that follow. Our actions, our behaviors, can be a source of inspiration, or a source of revulsion, and we don't always get to choose what that reaction is.
I think how these reactions play out in art forms like music is fascinating, and hence while Elish's music may not always be my cup of tea, her ideas will live much longer than I will. Better to come to terms with understanding and appreciating them within their audience then to assume they must subsume to mine. This is why it makes sense for Apple to pursue a documentary like this.
LOL. I’m in my mid forties. I have children ranging from 2-17. I’m an educator in the Arts. To be clear, I have no issue with her music or “behavior.” What I have an issue with is her ignorant and narcissistic societal/political opinions. She’s friggin EIGHTEEN. This kid was born during the Bush 43 Admin, after 9/11, and she has the balls to pontificate on life? It’s comical. As is a documentary about her “life.” All 18 years of it. Spare me.
Maybe you missed the part where she and her brother managed to win three Grammys including Album of the Year from a bedroom studio. You can safely ignore it when it’s released — like programming on any other subject matter — if you find it so triggering. Nobody else needs to know that you’re getting really upset over a talented young woman getting more attention than you.
Maybe you should take your own advice. My opinion of this documentary as well as her ill-informed opinions remains unchanged. She can both be talented and myopic at the same time. I can freely express my opinion on how comical I find this documentary...what a piece of demographic *whoring* it is by Apple...and you don’t have to like it. I won’t respond to your ridiculous ad hominem.
The fact that there would be a documentary made about this 18-year-old who knows absolutely nothing about life and who constantly lectures everyone on “wokeness” is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching a 17-year-old Miley Cyrus “coach“ American idol musicians. I have nothing against her music, although I don’t know it very well. What I object to is the unbelievable arrogance and entitlement of her generation, and the one preceding it. She makes millennials look selfless and only interested in “doing work.”
Whew. OK then. You know, you didn't ask for advice, so I'll save you the effort of telling me to go pound sand, but a word from someone who is coming up on his 50th birthday: There are two natural reactions to diverging behaviors and opinions in the generations that follow your own. One is to coarsely reject them out-of-hand as deviations from a standard we believe to be true. The other is to realize the actions of your generation, and those that precede us. have a difficult to define influence on those that follow. Our actions, our behaviors, can be a source of inspiration, or a source of revulsion, and we don't always get to choose what that reaction is.
I think how these reactions play out in art forms like music is fascinating, and hence while Elish's music may not always be my cup of tea, her ideas will live much longer than I will. Better to come to terms with understanding and appreciating them within their audience then to assume they must subsume to mine. This is why it makes sense for Apple to pursue a documentary like this.
LOL. I’m in my mid forties. I have children ranging from 2-17. I’m an educator in the Arts. To be clear, I have no issue with her music or “behavior.” What I have an issue with is her ignorant and narcissistic societal/political opinions. She’s friggin EIGHTEEN. This kid was born during the Bush 43 Admin, after 9/11, and she has the balls to pontificate on life? It’s comical. As is a documentary about her “life.” All 18 years of it. Spare me.
What selfishness and lack of a work ethic are you perceiving from Eilish?
I can’t say I am getting that exactly. I’m saying her political and societal opinions are meaningless. I’m saying a documentary about her “life” is comical to me, no matter how talented she is.
Are you saying that a story about a person can only be comprised of political and societal opinions and/or that young people have nothing to offer?
I've seen plenty of documentaries and docudramas about people who have beaten the odds in their youth. From Joshua Waitzkin being the inspiration for Searching for Bobby Fischer to the story of David Helfgott in Shine to Malala Yousafzai in He Named Me Malala, there are plenty of excellent films about real-like people. I really don't think it's fair to call them comical.
Personally, I do like Eilish's music and yet I have no interest in watching this documentary, but that isn't the same as saying a documentary is comical, and it has more to say about my current tastes in film (I want more escapism right now) than it does about the content.
The fact that there would be a documentary made about this 18-year-old who knows absolutely nothing about life and who constantly lectures everyone on “wokeness” is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching a 17-year-old Miley Cyrus “coach“ American idol musicians. I have nothing against her music, although I don’t know it very well. What I object to is the unbelievable arrogance and entitlement of her generation, and the one preceding it. She makes millennials look selfless and only interested in “doing work.”
Whew. OK then. You know, you didn't ask for advice, so I'll save you the effort of telling me to go pound sand, but a word from someone who is coming up on his 50th birthday: There are two natural reactions to diverging behaviors and opinions in the generations that follow your own. One is to coarsely reject them out-of-hand as deviations from a standard we believe to be true. The other is to realize the actions of your generation, and those that precede us. have a difficult to define influence on those that follow. Our actions, our behaviors, can be a source of inspiration, or a source of revulsion, and we don't always get to choose what that reaction is.
I think how these reactions play out in art forms like music is fascinating, and hence while Elish's music may not always be my cup of tea, her ideas will live much longer than I will. Better to come to terms with understanding and appreciating them within their audience then to assume they must subsume to mine. This is why it makes sense for Apple to pursue a documentary like this.
LOL. I’m in my mid forties. I have children ranging from 2-17. I’m an educator in the Arts. To be clear, I have no issue with her music or “behavior.” What I have an issue with is her ignorant and narcissistic societal/political opinions. She’s friggin EIGHTEEN. This kid was born during the Bush 43 Admin, after 9/11, and she has the balls to pontificate on life? It’s comical. As is a documentary about her “life.” All 18 years of it. Spare me.
Maybe you missed the part where she and her brother managed to win three Grammys including Album of the Year from a bedroom studio. You can safely ignore it when it’s released — like programming on any other subject matter — if you find it so triggering. Nobody else needs to know that you’re getting really upset over a talented young woman getting more attention than you.
It's always entertaining to see older people with a dearth of insight and an inflated self-regard castigate younger people who show wisdom beyond their years.
Age doesn't and shouldn't earn you respect, your actions do. Give me Billie Eilish over tedious aging men any day of the week.
What entertains me is watching people accuse those who have a wealth of life experiences of lacking insight and having an inflated sense of self-regard. It's especially amusing when those same people have no idea who those people are or what they have experienced. Then, I do have to chuckle at the unbelievable lack of self-awareness in those people when they characterize this talented young woman as having "wisdom beyond her years"---all because they agree with her stated opinions. That's the way much of our culture is today. Those who opine the "correct" things are to be praised. Those who hold conservative or "other" views are to be ignored, mocked or even destroyed.
I don't know you, but I can say confidently that if you had a better understanding my experiences, you might change your perspective. One of those experiences is having a talented, strong daughter who is nearly Eilish's age, and is going to be entering a career in the Fine Arts. She wouldn't presume to lecture millions of people on her political/societal opinions. Why? Because she's not famous, and she doesn't feel entitled to do so. Her opinions and ideas are quite valid to me, and we discuss them often. But regardless of what Eilish has accomplished and any struggles she's faced, the fact of the matter is she feels entitled to state her strong opinions to millions of people. From my recollection, she doesn't demonstrate a lot of flexibility with those opinions, nor are they particularly balanced. That's all well and good...she can speak freely. But I'm not required to agree with those opinions, nor am I required to be excited about a documentary about her amazing, eighteen-year life. I stick by my comment...this is nothing but demographic-whoring by Apple. She's the hot product right now, and she'll bring in dollars from a young demo.
So again, you can agree or disagree with my take. You can feel free to lob oblique, borderline ad hominems my way. It won't change my view on this, nor my propensity to share it.
Waiting for SpamSandwich to arrive to tell us how terrible a decision it is for Apple to highlight Billie Eilish because she isn’t a “real” musician.
I’m not a huge fan, by any means, but I like “You Should See me in a Crown”. She has another song I like but the name escapes me at the moment. Her other music I’m sorta meh about, but that’s not particularly uncommon for me.
Apparently he’s been banned, along with at least one of the other resident chuds, Razorpit. I’m gonna take a wild guess they had something to do with several threads getting shut down recently. I haven’t been tracking the forums nearly as much lately, so maybe there’s been more housecleaning. Thanks, mods!
Really? Wow, that's been a long time coming, both of them haven't contributed a damn thing to this forum in years. I feel like my ignore list just got vindicated
Seriously, I used to religiously follow up on threads I was contributing in, but have forced myself to stop lately due to the toxicity from a certain group of users here and self-imposed limits on blood-boiling stimuli. If the trash is being taken out, I'll be more likely to engage meaningfully and less angrily (which would be the point of the mods acting. I happened to open a tab on my iPad to an older thread and saw the "User banned carry on" avatar on both of them. I haven't been that happy since Tallest Skil was banished.
The fact that there would be a documentary made about this 18-year-old who knows absolutely nothing about life and who constantly lectures everyone on “wokeness” is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching a 17-year-old Miley Cyrus “coach“ American idol musicians. I have nothing against her music, although I don’t know it very well. What I object to is the unbelievable arrogance and entitlement of her generation, and the one preceding it. She makes millennials look selfless and only interested in “doing work.”
Whew. OK then. You know, you didn't ask for advice, so I'll save you the effort of telling me to go pound sand, but a word from someone who is coming up on his 50th birthday: There are two natural reactions to diverging behaviors and opinions in the generations that follow your own. One is to coarsely reject them out-of-hand as deviations from a standard we believe to be true. The other is to realize the actions of your generation, and those that precede us. have a difficult to define influence on those that follow. Our actions, our behaviors, can be a source of inspiration, or a source of revulsion, and we don't always get to choose what that reaction is.
I think how these reactions play out in art forms like music is fascinating, and hence while Elish's music may not always be my cup of tea, her ideas will live much longer than I will. Better to come to terms with understanding and appreciating them within their audience then to assume they must subsume to mine. This is why it makes sense for Apple to pursue a documentary like this.
LOL. I’m in my mid forties. I have children ranging from 2-17. I’m an educator in the Arts. To be clear, I have no issue with her music or “behavior.” What I have an issue with is her ignorant and narcissistic societal/political opinions. She’s friggin EIGHTEEN. This kid was born during the Bush 43 Admin, after 9/11, and she has the balls to pontificate on life? It’s comical. As is a documentary about her “life.” All 18 years of it. Spare me.
Maybe you missed the part where she and her brother managed to win three Grammys including Album of the Year from a bedroom studio. You can safely ignore it when it’s released — like programming on any other subject matter — if you find it so triggering. Nobody else needs to know that you’re getting really upset over a talented young woman getting more attention than you.
It's always entertaining to see older people with a dearth of insight and an inflated self-regard castigate younger people who show wisdom beyond their years.
Age doesn't and shouldn't earn you respect, your actions do. Give me Billie Eilish over tedious aging men any day of the week.
The fact that there would be a documentary made about this 18-year-old who knows absolutely nothing about life and who constantly lectures everyone on “wokeness” is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as watching a 17-year-old Miley Cyrus “coach“ American idol musicians. I have nothing against her music, although I don’t know it very well. What I object to is the unbelievable arrogance and entitlement of her generation, and the one preceding it. She makes millennials look selfless and only interested in “doing work.”
Whew. OK then. You know, you didn't ask for advice, so I'll save you the effort of telling me to go pound sand, but a word from someone who is coming up on his 50th birthday: There are two natural reactions to diverging behaviors and opinions in the generations that follow your own. One is to coarsely reject them out-of-hand as deviations from a standard we believe to be true. The other is to realize the actions of your generation, and those that precede us. have a difficult to define influence on those that follow. Our actions, our behaviors, can be a source of inspiration, or a source of revulsion, and we don't always get to choose what that reaction is.
I think how these reactions play out in art forms like music is fascinating, and hence while Elish's music may not always be my cup of tea, her ideas will live much longer than I will. Better to come to terms with understanding and appreciating them within their audience then to assume they must subsume to mine. This is why it makes sense for Apple to pursue a documentary like this.
LOL. I’m in my mid forties. I have children ranging from 2-17. I’m an educator in the Arts. To be clear, I have no issue with her music or “behavior.” What I have an issue with is her ignorant and narcissistic societal/political opinions. She’s friggin EIGHTEEN. This kid was born during the Bush 43 Admin, after 9/11, and she has the balls to pontificate on life? It’s comical. As is a documentary about her “life.” All 18 years of it. Spare me.
Maybe you missed the part where she and her brother managed to win three Grammys including Album of the Year from a bedroom studio. You can safely ignore it when it’s released — like programming on any other subject matter — if you find it so triggering. Nobody else needs to know that you’re getting really upset over a talented young woman getting more attention than you.
It's always entertaining to see older people with a dearth of insight and an inflated self-regard castigate younger people who show wisdom beyond their years.
Age doesn't and shouldn't earn you respect, your actions do. Give me Billie Eilish over tedious aging men any day of the week.
YES to all of this. What I find extra disturbing here is the "I'm an educator in the arts" qualifier in the context of admonishing an obviously talented young artist.
Extra disturbing? Oh boy. Someone needs to relax. I stated my profession merely to indicate that my criticism of Eilish is not based on a lack of understanding or appreciation of her work. My criticism is directed at her myopic opinions that she feels entitled to share, as well as the promotion of this "documentary." Moreover, it's directed at those like you---who simply cannot tolerate criticism of a talented, "woke" young woman. Such opinions are considered blasphemy in our current environment. She must be respected! We need to listen to her! She won Grammys! You should hear yourselves.
YES to all of this. What I find extra disturbing here is the "I'm an educator in the arts" qualifier in the context of admonishing an obviously talented young artist.
Extra disturbing? Oh boy. Someone needs to relax. I stated my profession merely to indicate that my criticism of Eilish is not based on a lack of understanding or appreciation of her work. My criticism is directed at her myopic opinions that she feels entitled to share, as well as the promotion of this "documentary." Moreover, it's directed at those like you---who simply cannot tolerate criticism of a talented, "woke" young woman. Such opinions are considered blasphemy in our current environment. She must be respected! We need to listen to her! She won Grammys! You should hear yourselves.
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I've seen plenty of documentaries and docudramas about people who have beaten the odds in their youth. From Joshua Waitzkin being the inspiration for Searching for Bobby Fischer to the story of David Helfgott in Shine to Malala Yousafzai in He Named Me Malala, there are plenty of excellent films about real-like people. I really don't think it's fair to call them comical.
Personally, I do like Eilish's music and yet I have no interest in watching this documentary, but that isn't the same as saying a documentary is comical, and it has more to say about my current tastes in film (I want more escapism right now) than it does about the content.
What entertains me is watching people accuse those who have a wealth of life experiences of lacking insight and having an inflated sense of self-regard. It's especially amusing when those same people have no idea who those people are or what they have experienced. Then, I do have to chuckle at the unbelievable lack of self-awareness in those people when they characterize this talented young woman as having "wisdom beyond her years"---all because they agree with her stated opinions. That's the way much of our culture is today. Those who opine the "correct" things are to be praised. Those who hold conservative or "other" views are to be ignored, mocked or even destroyed.
So again, you can agree or disagree with my take. You can feel free to lob oblique, borderline ad hominems my way. It won't change my view on this, nor my propensity to share it.
Extra disturbing? Oh boy. Someone needs to relax. I stated my profession merely to indicate that my criticism of Eilish is not based on a lack of understanding or appreciation of her work. My criticism is directed at her myopic opinions that she feels entitled to share, as well as the promotion of this "documentary." Moreover, it's directed at those like you---who simply cannot tolerate criticism of a talented, "woke" young woman. Such opinions are considered blasphemy in our current environment. She must be respected! We need to listen to her! She won Grammys! You should hear yourselves.