Intel swipes at Apple Silicon with selective benchmark claims

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Chip producer Intel has claimed its line of processors are still better than Apple's M1, though the comparison between the 11th-generation Intel chips and Apple Silicon shows this under circumstances cherry-picked by the chip manufacturer.




Apple Silicon has been out for a few months, with Mac buyers attracted to the high-performance improvements the M1 had over previous Intel chips Apple used in some of its products. However, the incumbent processor producer is still keen to proclaim its own products are still superior in real-world use.

However, in presentation slides published by Tom's Hardware, the claims over comparable hardware are questionable in some cases.

The slides compare a 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 and 16 gigabytes of memory against its own internal whitebox, packing the Core i7-1185G7 with four cores, eight threads, and a maximum clock speed of 4.8GHz, supported by 16GB of memory.

The slides generally appear to show Intel's chip as being either comparable or superior to the M1 in various tasks, though with major caveats. For a start, the benchmarks use Intel's "Real-world usage guideline" tests, a collection of trials that don't seem to be actively followed by most other testers.

This includes performing various tests using WebXPRT 3 in Chrome, Microsoft Office 365, and AI-based tools from Topaz Labs. There are also benchmarks that use more commonly used tools, including HandBrake and Adobe Creative Cloud apps, but the initially-presented data stems from the less-used tests.

Intel vs M1 productivity benchmarks by Intel [via Tom's Hardware]
Intel vs M1 productivity benchmarks by Intel [via Tom's Hardware]


The results are claimed by Intel to show its chip as "more than 30% faster overall and nearly 3x faster in the online photo enhancement subtest" over M1, while "some functions like PDF export" in Office 365 are "up to 2.3x faster."

Intel's Handbrake tests also appear to completely avoid using hardware-based transcoding on the M1, while it uses Intel's QuickSync hardware routines for the Windows testing.

Despite Apple's focus on machine learning assistance in the M1, Intel attempts to fight back with the odd claim that its chip is 6x faster for the Topaz Labs test than the M1. On the Premiere tests, Intel was supposedly 1.7x faster, while Photoshop and Lightroom Classic tests that relied on Rosetta 2 translation for compatibility resulted in "nearly 1.5x faster" speeds on Intel.

Curiously, under gaming performance, Intel shows more of a range of results, including how Hitman runs better on M1 than its own chip, while showing comparable or better Intel performance on other titles including Borderlands 3 and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Even more oddly, Intel takes a moment to point out that there's a library of games that "don't run on M1," including Hitman 2, Metro: Exodus, GRID 2019, and "countless more" -- which the company counted as zero frames per second on it's comparison.

Intel also claimed the M1 failed to perform eight out of 25 tests it used to represent a "day in the life" for its Evo processor upgrade. These failures included relatively simple tasks, such as "Switch to Calendar in Outlook" and to "Start video conference" in Zoom, which are things that can be easily accomplished even on an M1 Mac.

To try and counter Apple's MacBook Air battery life claims of up to 18 hours in its own tests, Intel instead claims battery life to be 10 hours and 12 minutes under different test conditions, namely the use of a Netflix stream "and tabs" in Safari. Intel suggested it was in the same ballpark as an Acer Swift 5 using the Core i7-1165G7 performing the same task using Chrome, at 10 hours 6 minutes of battery life.

Intel vs M1 content creation benchmarks by Intel [via Tom's Hardware]
Intel vs M1 content creation benchmarks by Intel [via Tom's Hardware]


Swipes are also made against Apple for the price and form factor, albeit with Intel forgetting the MacBook Air in the list that it just used in a different comparison, as well as external display limitations and port options.

While a company aims to present itself and its products in the best light, and potentially in a way that brings competitors down in comparison, Intel's presentation indicates it is doing so by jumping through hoops. Cherry-picking test results and using more obscure testing procedures than typical suggests Intel is straining to paint itself in the best light.

Despite assuring it would support Apple's transition to Apple Silicon, Intel is under pressure to maintain its position at the top of the chip food chain. It has been criticized for allowing competitors to sweep in, including Intel's own customers like Apple who are moving to create their own chips, as well as seeing competitors like AMD and Nvidia rise in markets like AI processing.
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  • Reply 1 of 68
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,943member
    Injured lion trying to defend it's kingdom. Now there is a new serif in processor town and that is Apple.
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  • Reply 2 of 68
    stukestuke Posts: 123member
    Game over for Intel.  Apple has always has a vision of the future beyond the cost of the R&D to enable it.  It's products (with privacy in mind, solutions in mind, for the customer) generate that R&D revenue.  This instead of watching the forecast, quarterly numbers, and complex licensing deals to lock in revenue.  Intel missed the iPhone deal and now history has caught up to show that they were wrong.  This article is a desperate plea to remain relevant.  In two years, Intel will either be a different architecture to remain relevant, or start to fade like IBM.
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  • Reply 3 of 68
    I look at these benchmarks and don't see a good reason to stick with intel - intel's tests demonstrate the opposite: That even with a set of cherry-picked scenarios, the new M1 still shows comparable performance even when using Rosetta translation: all of this despite all software for the M1 being relatively new and not benefitting from the years-on-years of optimisation that the intel platform enjoys.

    Secondly when the functions being shown are not frequently performed by users then using the words "real world testing" is disingenuous. Apple's marketing of the M1 line up was careful to show real world scenarios that are frequent pain points for users. Further to this, Apple's marketing also drove home a number of other pain points for users of Intel machines: With the M1 being a cooler and quieter units that feature extraordinary battery life. These are also important real world considerations; after all, what's the point in shaving a few seconds off a process if the computer will only operate for half the time, while giving one's lap a barbecue. 
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  • Reply 4 of 68
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,198member
    wood1208 said:
    Injured lion trying to defend it's kingdom. Now there is a new serif in processor town and that is Apple.
    New but not alone. Apple is just another player on top of others who were already present and expanding their offerings.

    There are pros and contras to most options but ARM has been moving onto intel turf in HPC, AI and servers and that is likely to continue. Apple will add pressure to an already squeezed intel but competition is good for everyone. From RISC-V to AMD and others, we should all benefit. 
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  • Reply 5 of 68
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,235member
    Using cherry picked tests to show that their chip is "comparable" to the M1.
    It's the M1. When the M2, M3...come out what are they going to do? 
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  • Reply 6 of 68
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,733member
    Even if this was a straight up legit comparison, Intel still loses because they are comparing a 28 watt chip to a 10 watt chip.

    What’s the performance of an Intel cpu that can fit in the thermal constraints of a fan less MBA?

     
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  • Reply 7 of 68
    The new Intel CEO is living up to his word. He’s already leading Intel in creeping up on Apple.

    ***Extreme Sarcasm***

    His statement was RIDICULOUS.
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  • Reply 8 of 68
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,345member
    I’d love to see an M1 (or M2, etc..) running at 4.8 ghz in a Mac Pro... maybe in a bath of liquid nitrogen. 
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  • Reply 9 of 68
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    Shrug...

    Either is fast enough for the vast majority of users....  It's like arguing whether the Masserati or Ferrari is the fastest.    For most people, either is more than fast enough.

    But, will the I7 computer fully integrate into Apple's iOS based ecosystem?  
    But, will the M1 run Windows?

    As always with computers (at least for the recent past), it's not how fast they'll go but what they will do.
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  • Reply 10 of 68
    Xedxed Posts: 3,071member
    I look at these benchmarks and don't see a good reason to stick with intel - intel's tests demonstrate the opposite: That even with a set of cherry-picked scenarios, the new M1 still shows comparable performance even when using Rosetta translation: all of this despite all software for the M1 being relatively new and not benefitting from the years-on-years of optimisation that the intel platform enjoys.

    Secondly when the functions being shown are not frequently performed by users then using the words "real world testing" is disingenuous. Apple's marketing of the M1 line up was careful to show real world scenarios that are frequent pain points for users. Further to this, Apple's marketing also drove home a number of other pain points for users of Intel machines: With the M1 being a cooler and quieter units that feature extraordinary battery life. These are also important real world considerations; after all, what's the point in shaving a few seconds off a process if the computer will only operate for half the time, while giving one's lap a barbecue. 
    And these M1 chips are for low-power devices, while Intel chose their fastest and most power hungry chip that is used in the fastest MBP. This may be the last time Intel can even have shoehorned comparisons before Apple Silicon chips designed for desktop Macs come into play.
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  • Reply 11 of 68
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    I look at these benchmarks and don't see a good reason to stick with intel....

    My grandson would likely say the same -- until he discovers he can't do what he needs to do on the M1.

    It doesn't matter how fast it is if it can't do what it needs to do.   Would you take a Porsche to pick up a yard of mulch?

    For me, it brings back memories of project I was handed to transfer data from a DB2 database into a proprietary system and, the only way to do that while retaining data integrity was to type it into the receiving system.   I had both a Mac and a Windows machine sitting on my desk at work but neither would do it.   Instead I had to use my home computer running OS2 to read a record from the DB2 database and then type it into the proprietary system using a keyboard emulator.   In that context, both the Mac and Windows machines were worthless.
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  • Reply 12 of 68
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    blastdoor said:
    Even if this was a straight up legit comparison, Intel still loses because they are comparing a 28 watt chip to a 10 watt chip.

    What’s the performance of an Intel cpu that can fit in the thermal constraints of a fan less MBA?

     

    Does that even matter unless you're trying to extend battery life on laptop - or worried about your electric bill?
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  • Reply 13 of 68
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 817member
    Intel’s hubris is made worse by the fact that Apple has never selectively highlighted facts that make them look better than their competition!!! (/s for those
    of you with your jock strap too tight to miss it). While interesting, the reality is that we are 7 months into a 24 month transition with a first gen chip. Once major software from companies like Adobe are fully transitioned we will know the real world results. If this transition is what it takes to move Intel along then it is a win for a lot of people and companies not just Apple users. And if accurate, they will force Apple to work even harder!
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  • Reply 14 of 68

    My grandson would likely say the same -- until phe discovers he can't do what he needs to do on the M1.

    It doesn't matter how fast it is if it can't do what it needs to do.   Would you take a Porsche to pick up a yard of mulch?

    For me, it brings back memories of project I was handed to transfer data from a DB2 database into a proprietary system and, the only way to do that while retaining data integrity was to type it into the receiving system.   I had both a Mac and a Windows machine sitting on my desk at work but neither would do it.   Instead I had to use my home computer running OS2 to read a record from the DB2 database and then type it into the proprietary system using a keyboard emulator.   In that context, both the Mac and Windows machines were worthless.
    This is a nonsense argument because it has no relation to the topic. Your take would make more sense in a “Windows versus macOS” discussion. 
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  • Reply 15 of 68
    roakeroake Posts: 821member
    If Intel hadn’t gone to sleep at the wheel several years back, they could have made progress toward increased performance smaller die processes with chip fabricating (instead of being stuck at 14 nm for ages), and associated efficiencies.  If they had, they would likely be king of processors with Apple as their biggest customer.

    But they are not.  TSMC has grown into a powerhouse, strongly supported by Apple, currently with a 3 Nam process.  Intel is now begging TSMC to let them outsource 3 nm chips from them.

    How the complacent mighty Intel has fallen.

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  • Reply 16 of 68
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,049member

    My grandson would likely say the same -- until he discovers he can't do what he needs to do on the M1.

    It doesn't matter how fast it is if it can't do what it needs to do.   Would you take a Porsche to pick up a yard of mulch?

    For me, it brings back memories of project I was handed to transfer data from a DB2 database into a proprietary system and, the only way to do that while retaining data integrity was to type it into the receiving system.   I had both a Mac and a Windows machine sitting on my desk at work but neither would do it.   Instead I had to use my home computer running OS2 to read a record from the DB2 database and then type it into the proprietary system using a keyboard emulator.   In that context, both the Mac and Windows machines were worthless.
    What can’t he do?  Your comparison sounds a little ridiculous.  An M1 Mac can basically do anything a consumer grade machine needs to do.  Even without native support.  The only exception might be gaming, but most people aren’t buying Macs for gaming anyway.  
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  • Reply 17 of 68
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,049member

    bulk001 said:
    Intel’s hubris is made worse by the fact that Apple has never selectively highlighted facts that make them look better than their competition!!! (/s for those
    of you with your jock strap too tight to miss it). While interesting, the reality is that we are 7 months into a 24 month transition with a first gen chip. Once major software from companies like Adobe are fully transitioned we will know the real world results. If this transition is what it takes to move Intel along then it is a win for a lot of people and companies not just Apple users. And if accurate, they will force Apple to work even harder!
    OK, to be fair that is not true at all, particularly as it applies to the power PC versus Intel era.  Apple pretty much did nothing but photoshop comparisons.  Were you around for the “megahertz myth?”  There was some truth to it, but Apple played it up big time. Intel is doing the exact same thing now. The difference is it’s not going to work.  
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  • Reply 18 of 68
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,049member
    I’m not really sure the point Intel is trying to make here. Most people who follow this know this is all cherry-picked and full of unequal comparisons (difference in chip wattage, software that runs through translation, unusual tests, etc).  Secondly, who is the target audience here?  Who are they trying to convince? I have news for Intel:  Apple is gone.  Within 18 months, you won’t sell them another chip.  So is it a Windows vs. MacOS thing now? Good luck with that.  Apple realized a long time ago it didn’t need to beat Microsoft.  They are selling Macs hand over fist without even really going after Microsoft.  
    You blew it, Intel.  
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  • Reply 19 of 68
    sdw2001 said:
    I’m not really sure the point Intel is trying to make here. Most people who follow this know this is all cherry-picked and full of unequal comparisons (difference in chip wattage, software that runs through translation, unusual tests, etc).  Secondly, who is the target audience here?  Who are they trying to convince? I have news for Intel:  Apple is gone.  Within 18 months, you won’t sell them another chip.  So is it a Windows vs. MacOS thing now? Good luck with that.  Apple realized a long time ago it didn’t need to beat Microsoft.  They are selling Macs hand over fist without even really going after Microsoft.  
    You blew it, Intel.  
    So you're saying that Apple would have never gone the route of in-house CPU production had Intel kept up with the performance/power in their CPU's?  

    I think the opposite.  I think it was inevitable that Apple would develop their own Apple Silicon.  They had a winner in the CPU's used in iPads and iPhones.  It was natural to use those in their notebooks and desktops.  Regardless of what Intel did, I think the turn away from Intel and towards Apple's chip-independence was coming.
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  • Reply 20 of 68
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    The Topaz Labs tests are all machine learning stuff that doesn't use the Neural Engine on the M1 (11 Trillion operations per second), so not exactly a reasonable comparison either.
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