'Fortnite' firm Epic Games planned Apple App Store dispute for months

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  • Reply 21 of 26
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,291member
    gc_uk said:

    Does it? But Apple customers are excluded from finding out if they want to buy the crop because Apple controls their choices for them.  

    I'm going to stop talking in metaphors because you seemed to have missed the humor in my post. If you'll notice, I used the words "some of" not "the" best crop yield in referring to profits generated by Apple's App Store. Considering that it made an estimated $50 billion last year, I would say yes, it does.

    As for Apple customers being excluded from finding out if they want to buy certain apps because Apple controls their choices, how do you figure? You can create virtually any app you want, and as long as it meets their developer guidelines, you can offer it on the App Store. Your implication that Apple controls customer choice is patently false. Apple only controls the rules to which all developers must adhere, but that in no way limits choice. The rules aren't that strict. 

    The truth is, Epic was making a lot of money via the App Store, so much that Apple's commissions became unpalatable to them (if they ever were). They then decided to break their agreement with Apple by circumventing Apple's payment system. This was a clear breach of the developer agreement, and Epic got punished accordingly. Don't confuse this with Apple controlling choice. Apple was simply reacting to the violation. 
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  • Reply 22 of 26
    Beatsbeats Posts: 3,073member
    gc_uk said:

    entropys said:
    It is the Reagan version of the little red hen.

     "Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

     And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful." But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.

    Except in this case the Little Red Hen is willing to provide the garden, and the grain, but can't sell bread to the neighbours because "government regulation" aka "Apple" say they can only grow grain in Apple's garden.

    Its Apple’s farm. The slimy duck can get the fu** out. There’s other gardens. Sh**, there’s about 10 others.
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  • Reply 23 of 26
    Beatsbeats Posts: 3,073member
    gc_uk said:
    d_2 said:
    There are plenty of “gardens” for Epic to “grow grain” in - Apple, Google, web, PlayStation, XBox, Nintendo
    “Epic do provide stores on those different platforms. What makes Apple so special they don't have to allow the same?”
    d_2 said:
    and Epic has plenty of $$ to also try and develop and their own “garden”.
    “They did, and it got them excluded from the Apple ecosystem. “







    People as dumb as you should NOT be allowed on the internet. 

    Apple is not “so special”, other platforms LITERALLY function the same way as Apple. Nintendo for example, uses the same system and same commission.

    No, you cannot build a “garden” on someone else’s property. Go have a yard sale on a Wal-Mart parking lot or open a small shop inside Target and see how they treat your a**. Epic got kicked out for violating the rules not because Apple is “so special”.

    Are you an iKnockoff user? You act like one, very dumb and obnoxious.
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  • Reply 24 of 26
    gc_uk said:
    You must be one of those people who thinks that developers should receive all the freedoms and companies that make phones have no freedoms at all to determine the conditions for developers. Right?
    You must be one of those people who make unfounded claims to try and attack people with opinions you don't like because you don't have a decent argument against their position.
    Indeed, it's directly BECAUSE of freedoms that I support Apple's rights to install restrictions on developers who want to sell apps on APPLE'S OS. It's not the developer's OS, or the consumer's. It's Apple's.
    See, you can't even take the time to understand my position before you start to attack it. I have no problem with Apple choosing whatever rules it likes to decide who should be allowed to sell apps on their App Store. It's their App Store. It's not their phone though, it's mine.

    The only way I would agree to remove Apple's freedoms to install restrictions is if Apple became a legal monopoly for selling smartphones. Then you will have my support.
    You mean if Apple can restrict which store I can buy and install apps from so I can only buy from theirs? That kind of monopoly?
    Your last statement is wrong. That isn't a monopoly. That's no more a monopoly than McDonald's not allowing Whoppers to be sold by Burger King inside McDonald's stores. Why do you want McDonald's to be FORCED to sell other company's burgers in THEIR store? EXPLAIN.

    I was completely right that you want Apple to have no rights to decide who can put stores onto their iOS operating system. You admitted this in your middle paragraph. You argue that Apple has no right to control the stores on iOS because it's "your phone". Sure, it's your phone, but that doesn't mean you can force Apple to do whatever YOU want on THEIR operating system. But I will give you this support: it is your phone, and you are allowed to remove iOS if you want and replace it with Android or Linux or anything you want. I support you on your desire to jailbreak your iPhone and replace it with a different OS. But note that if you do that you have removed iOS and also the Apple App Store. It's your phone, and you can smash it, or remove the OS, but you can't MODIFY the OS and expect Apple to support you on that.
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  • Reply 25 of 26
    gc_uk said:

    entropys said:
    It is the Reagan version of the little red hen.

     "Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

     And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful." But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.

    Except in this case the Little Red Hen is willing to provide the garden, and the grain, but can't sell bread to the neighbours because "government regulation" aka "Apple" say they can only grow grain in Apple's garden.
    I think you've got your metaphors mixed up.  The garden is iOS, in fact the garden is the entire Apple ecosystem including iOS.  The App Store is just a small piece of it.  

    Sweeney wants to grow his grain in Apple's real estate and in Apple's soil and then sell the fruits to the garden's visitors without paying Apple anything - trying to claim it's ALL his hard work and they're all his customers. No.  iOS users are Apple's customers.

    He can go build his own garden if he wants, and get his own customers that way, but he doesn't get it.  And/or he just doesn't have the chops.  He can even sell his VBucks on his website on Apple devices if he wants and Apple won't charge him a dime for that.  But none of that is good enough.

    Yes, Sweeney should get something for his hard work building fortnite and whatever else. But if he's growing it in Apple's garden I don't see how 70% isn't enough when he didn't have to pay up front for use of the soil, the real estate, or access to the garden's patrons.  If he can't build his own garden why should he leech off others' gardens for free?
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  • Reply 26 of 26
    gc_uk said:
    Indeed, it's directly BECAUSE of freedoms that I support Apple's rights to install restrictions on developers who want to sell apps on APPLE'S OS. It's not the developer's OS, or the consumer's. It's Apple's.
    See, you can't even take the time to understand my position before you start to attack it. I have no problem with Apple choosing whatever rules it likes to decide who should be allowed to sell apps on their App Store. It's their App Store. It's not their phone though, it's mine.


    Others pointed this out but I'll add to it.  

    No. It's not your phone. Some parts of it are yours, but the intellectual property in the operating system and in most of the firmware on many of the chips is not yours at all.

    If you want to do whatever the hell you want with the parts of the phone that are in fact yours, then have at it, but that doesn't include iOS.  It's not the iPhone App Store.  It's the iOS App Store.  It's the App Store for devices running iOS, an operating system entirely owned by Apple.

    If you, or Sweeney, can get Fortnite, or anything else running on an iPhone without iOS or any of the other firmware in the chips that you don't own, then I agree, Apple has no right to stop you doing that.  Please let us know how that goes.  I'm genuinely interested.
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