Zuckerberg wants to 'inflict pain' on Apple for privacy changes

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  • Reply 41 of 76
    sdw2001 said:
    Facebook is in a slow death spiral.   
    Facebook is basically AOL at this point.
    firelockwatto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 76
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    Never have used Facebook. More important things to do with my time.
    Like what?
    anantksundaramwilliamlondon
  • Reply 43 of 76

    MacPro said:
    I use Facebook because it lets me keep in touch with friends and family and I'm in a number of FB groups. It's definitely convenient, and I'm fully aware that I AM THEIR PRODUCT. That's the evil genius of Facebook. That being said, my wish is that Facebook is forced to break up; divest from Instagram, Snapchat, WhatsApp, etc. And honestly, while I use it every day, if Facebook were to fold, I would not shed any tears. It would be tougher to get in touch with a lot of far-flung friends though...
    Would an alternative such as MeWe be usable instead?
    Do you realize what you, in essence, are suggesting is that buying his crack from a different dealer will fix the problem.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 76

    What Suck has not understood, because of his arrogance, is that in fact, the war he is waging is not against Apple, but against the members of facebook themselves; and against the will of billions of people in general.  And that will be his Waterloo.

    yuniverseargonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 45 of 76
    DAalseth said:
    The board should pay attention, these kinds of directives don't usually align with growth.
    Given the chairman of the board is person making the comments I don’t imagine they care. 
    In most companies the board can replace the chairman with cause. In this case I think Z still holds a majority of the stock so it would be tougher to do. However Z has been becoming increasingly erratic and shrill. IMO he is just one perceived personal slight away from doing something really damaging to the company. He's never been a great businessman, just lucky and unethical. At some point that's going to catch up to him.
    Actually, he holds only a quarter of the shares, but he has a special class of shares that gives him -- and his heirs, and IIRC even his designees -- majority voting rights in perpetuity. 

    It's all in the company's bylaws at the time of going public. 
    GG1watto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 76

    jguther said:
    Make the world a better place - shut down facebook.
    That's a troublingly anti-speech point of view. I happen to not be a fan to FB myself (I'll never own their stock, see above), but they surely have the right to speak and let people speak in their forums. 

    "Shut [them] down" is an extreme form of our increasingly canceling culture/mindset run amok. 
  • Reply 47 of 76
    Time to inflict pain on Facebook 
    That's not Apple's style. 
  • Reply 48 of 76
    GabyGaby Posts: 184member
    longpath said:
    heli0s said:
    I’ve had a Facebook account since 2007 but I left every one of their platforms last year and never looked back. Sure, connecting with family and friends is marginally more difficult but my mental health is much better and I’m not feeding their “outrage-for-profit” model with my data. 
    I’m about a year behind you, having closed Facebook and Instagram last month. Quality of life is already improving.
    I made the same decision in may 2014 and I agree entirely. Frankly I feel a great swell of pity for people who use it. I have friends and family whom I can see getting reeled in by all the trash, bickering, false narratives and propaganda, and it’s a vicious cycle for people. I take pride that I’ve encouraged at least a few of them to leave it behind. They’ve all said how much better they feel for it. It’s perfectly feasible to communicate with signal and FaceTime for those at a distance and it encourages actually spending time socialising properly with those that I can. (Pandemic aside of course) 
    radarthekatGG1argonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 76
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,824member
    Only a sociopath would build a business premised on a) duping people into disclosing their private information and b) spreading lies and half-truths that appeal to the darkest and most cynical aspects of human nature.  Only a narcissist would then get mad rather than do better when someone reveals and criticizes the true nature of their business.

    Nothing of ultimate good comes out of Facebook.  It is said that when the antichrist comes, it will be in the guise of a boon to humanity but in the end try to destroy it.  Maybe the antichrist is not a person but a corporation.

    (Not that I believe in stories made up by old men trying to control ignorant people through fear.)


    edited February 2021 radarthekatargonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 50 of 76
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,824member
    yuniverse said:
    What's the best way to "inflict pain" to facebook besides closing the acct?  

    Any ideas?
    Before I finally shut down all things Facebook, I started to flag every ad and unsolicited feed sent to me as inappropriate or obscene.  But that got tiresome soon enough so I just cancelled all my accounts instead.  Life's simpler and calmer now.  Dezucking is good for the soul.
    edited February 2021 GG1Gabydewmeargonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 76
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    Blah blah blah. Why does anyone listen to this super villain?

    Oh yeah: money and power.
    olsargonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 52 of 76
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Well, it certainly sounds like a mature business strategy. 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 53 of 76
    DAalseth said:
    I've closed and deleted my FB account. I'm still on Instagram because that's where a number of artists that I follow post their stuff and I post my art there too. However I'm reading more and more comments from them that the new algorithms are becoming impossible to work with. If they don't post very regularly, and get a lot of likes for every post they don't get promoted in people's feeds. Even people subscribing to them start missing content. It's becoming unworkable. A number are openly talking about jumping ship. Cartoonists are going to Webtoon and Tapas. Even Tumblr in some cases. If this continues I'll likely close my account too. I already cross post to other sites. 
    Why don't you try Devianart?
  • Reply 54 of 76
    Did Zuck finally get an emotion chip from Dr Soong?
    firelockbikerdudedewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 55 of 76
    DAalseth said:
    The board should pay attention, these kinds of directives don't usually align with growth.
    Given the chairman of the board is person making the comments I don’t imagine they care. 
    In most companies the board can replace the chairman with cause. In this case I think Z still holds a majority of the stock so it would be tougher to do. However Z has been becoming increasingly erratic and shrill. IMO he is just one perceived personal slight away from doing something really damaging to the company. He's never been a great businessman, just lucky and unethical. At some point that's going to catch up to him.
    Yes, but I’m guessing you haven’t looked at the brain trust that is the Facebook board of directors. 
    If iirc Z doesn't even need to own a majority of the shares. His shares have 10x the voting power or something like that. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 76
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,496moderator
    longpath said:
    heli0s said:
    I’ve had a Facebook account since 2007 but I left every one of their platforms last year and never looked back. Sure, connecting with family and friends is marginally more difficult but my mental health is much better and I’m not feeding their “outrage-for-profit” model with my data. 
    I’m about a year behind you, having closed Facebook and Instagram last month. Quality of life is already improving.
    I’m on a similar disengagement path.  I post far less, turned off notifications for most groups and have left some and feel more relaxed about life.  
    GG1argonautwatto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 76
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 1,378member

    jguther said:
    Make the world a better place - shut down facebook.
    That's a troublingly anti-speech point of view. I happen to not be a fan to FB myself (I'll never own their stock, see above), but they surely have the right to speak and let people speak in their forums. 

    "Shut [them] down" is an extreme form of our increasingly canceling culture/mindset run amok. 
    The term “cancel culture” has become a convenient deflection to avoid accountability. It was once a hallmark of conservative thinking that with rights come responsibilities. In the free market of ideas, abhorrent ideas can be expressed, but they can also be resoundingly rejected. 

    Even libertarians used to believe that policing has a role in stopping theft as a protection of the integrity of the free market. Zuckerberg is a sociopath who has built a business on a framework of deception. A transaction based on deception is theft. Exposing and even shutting down such transactions protects rather than stifles free trade.

    Back in the pre-internet days, when people bought newspapers or magazines chock full of advertising, the deal was obvious. Advertisers were subsidizing publications to reach their readers. Targeting ads was rudimentary and impersonal.

    Facebook has changed all that, not only using “likes” from FB interaction to refine ad targeting on the site, but also by tracking users across the web, well beyond Facebook. Next they track locations, mine contacts, and more. Then algorithms further refine feedback loops, not only to focus advertising, but to manipulate users into compulsive behaviors and interactions. All this looped into political manipulations that resulted in rapid dissemination of false information to deliver voters (and rioters) to the manipulators in trade for dollars, euros and rubles in Mark Zuckerberg’s pockets. This not only undermines free trade, but democracy itself. 

    So Tim Cook is right to throw a wrench into those works, and as it all is further exposed, other significant accountability measures will be warranted. That’s not “cancel culture.” It’s accountability. 
    dewmewatto_cobraGaby
  • Reply 58 of 76
    I have no idea how Facebook can inflict pain on Apple and can I imagine Apple is bothered. Ultimately, Apple make things which are useful.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 59 of 76
    That should be ‘cannot’ in the second line
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 60 of 76
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,367member
    DAalseth said:
    The board should pay attention, these kinds of directives don't usually align with growth.
    Given the chairman of the board is person making the comments I don’t imagine they care. 
    In most companies the board can replace the chairman with cause. In this case I think Z still holds a majority of the stock so it would be tougher to do. However Z has been becoming increasingly erratic and shrill. IMO he is just one perceived personal slight away from doing something really damaging to the company. He's never been a great businessman, just lucky and unethical. At some point that's going to catch up to him.
    Catching up doesn’t seem to happen in New America. If you are completely unethical with no remorse whatsoever, you can do whatever you want. If you actually feel guilt or admit you were wrong, you are toast!
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