The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
I hope that solution also includes a provision for hard wired connected car players.
To be honest you can buy pretty cheap connected bluetooth receivers so no need for a wire to actual phone.
Maybe for cars from the 90s. Most new cars have the stereo system so completely integrated into the vehicle that you cannot replace them. So no, your solution does not work with 99% of the cars on the road today that offer CarPlay. And Bluetooth is awful for listening to music. The digital connection with USB is far superior for audio quality, and CarPlay functionality.
Right..... cause road noise, engine noise and wind noise make for such a great listening environment.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
And how many people have security issues with the port? Or moisture issues? A lot fewer than the number that use it. And just how does the port use up battery power?
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
I'm skeptical of having NO physical ports. Others have raised the issues: Wireless CarPlay not being widely available, accessories like memory card readers, health devices, video out, etc. The biggest issue for me is the recovery issue. There are so many potential issues, from WifFi/cell service outages, to hardware issues with connection, etc. I know there was some speculation about MagSafe being data-capable. Perhaps that could be a compromise in terms of emergency restoration.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
Needing to restore a phone is a relatively uncommon event, but it can be a major pain when you need to do it. Creating a situation where people are required to take the phone in and pay extra would be an incredibly poor design decision. (refer to my example about jumping a car.) And again, when you say 'expect to pay for it' you are arguing that it's totally acceptable to increase the effective cost of iPhone ownership by 30-50% just so we can have the 'luxury' of not having a lightning port.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
Needing to restore a phone is a relatively uncommon event, but it can be a major pain when you need to do it. Creating a situation where people are required to take the phone in and pay extra would be an incredibly poor design decision. (refer to my example about jumping a car.) And again, when you say 'expect to pay for it' you are arguing that it's totally acceptable to increase the effective cost of iPhone ownership by 30-50% just so we can have the 'luxury' of not having a lightning port.
...
You are overstating and exagerrating your case in order to try to build a case.
Having to restore an iPhone -- and not being able to do so -- is very rare.
But to then say that Apple support is out of reach or that AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
Needing to restore a phone is a relatively uncommon event, but it can be a major pain when you need to do it. Creating a situation where people are required to take the phone in and pay extra would be an incredibly poor design decision. (refer to my example about jumping a car.) And again, when you say 'expect to pay for it' you are arguing that it's totally acceptable to increase the effective cost of iPhone ownership by 30-50% just so we can have the 'luxury' of not having a lightning port.
...
You are overstating and exagerrating your case in order to try to build a case.
Having to restore an iPhone -- and not being able to do so -- is very rare.
But to then say that Apple support is out of reach or that AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports
create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and
implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
and you are overstating and exaggerating the benefits of removing the port. As I have already said, the supposed benefits you list of removing the port are trivial at best. It comes down to a cost-benefit ratio. Benefit - virtually none. Costs - none for some people but very significant for others.
As for security, if you can actually get past the hype and histrionics on sites like this, I challenge you to come up numbers of people for whom the port has truly caused a security problem. Now compare that to the number of people who have a true use for the port.
"AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth." - So you are arguing that Apple Care+ is a necessity rather than a luxury? In that case my argument stands completely on its own. The cost of AppleCare for the life of a phone approaches $500. If it's a necessity rather than a luxury as you state then that increases the cost of the phone by 50%. I'm not sure how that's hyperbole - I'm just stating the numbers associated with your claim.
The misnamed "wireless" (they're not actually wireless, they just don't attach the wires to the device; there are still wires) charging systems use more energy than wired ones.
I I believe that radios (BlueTooth, WiFi) use more energy than wired connections as well.
So yes, Apple, please, please, please, whatever you do in your quest for carbon neutrality and energy conservation improvement, make wireless capability a priority so that we can all use more energy to charge and use our devices. 🤦♂️
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
Needing to restore a phone is a relatively uncommon event, but it can be a major pain when you need to do it. Creating a situation where people are required to take the phone in and pay extra would be an incredibly poor design decision. (refer to my example about jumping a car.) And again, when you say 'expect to pay for it' you are arguing that it's totally acceptable to increase the effective cost of iPhone ownership by 30-50% just so we can have the 'luxury' of not having a lightning port.
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You are overstating and exagerrating your case in order to try to build a case.
Having to restore an iPhone -- and not being able to do so -- is very rare.
But to then say that Apple support is out of reach or that AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports
create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and
implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
and you are overstating and exaggerating the benefits of removing the port. As I have already said, the supposed benefits you list of removing the port are trivial at best. It comes down to a cost-benefit ratio. Benefit - virtually none. Costs - none for some people but very significant for others.
As for security, if you can actually get past the hype and histrionics on sites like this, I challenge you to come up numbers of people for whom the port has truly caused a security problem. Now compare that to the number of people who have a true use for the port.
"AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth." - So you are arguing that Apple Care+ is a necessity rather than a luxury? In that case my argument stands completely on its own. The cost of AppleCare for the life of a phone approaches $500. If it's a necessity rather than a luxury as you state then that increases the cost of the phone by 50%. I'm not sure how that's hyperbole - I'm just stating the numbers associated with your claim.
Agree 100% with you on everything you said on this topic. Fairly well reasoned arguments and articulated well as well. George does not "listen" to ANYONE, even if the evidence contrary to his beliefs is "clear" for everyone else to see.
I'm skeptical of having NO physical ports. Others have raised the issues: Wireless CarPlay not being widely available, accessories like memory card readers, health devices, video out, etc. The biggest issue for me is the recovery issue. There are so many potential issues, from WifFi/cell service outages, to hardware issues with connection, etc. I know there was some speculation about MagSafe being data-capable. Perhaps that could be a compromise in terms of emergency restoration.
Yes the number of cars without wireless carplay is the biggest everyday issue I expect. the solution of course is for Apple to produce a wifi dongle that connects to the entertainment units’ USB port that the phone automatically connects to when the car is turned on. Like carplay2air or carlinkit products.
I just bought a carlinkit dongle for my 2021 Santa Fe which has wired carplay standard. The dongle works just like the aftermarket kenwood wireless carplay unit in my Mazda.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
Needing to restore a phone is a relatively uncommon event, but it can be a major pain when you need to do it. Creating a situation where people are required to take the phone in and pay extra would be an incredibly poor design decision. (refer to my example about jumping a car.) And again, when you say 'expect to pay for it' you are arguing that it's totally acceptable to increase the effective cost of iPhone ownership by 30-50% just so we can have the 'luxury' of not having a lightning port.
...
You are overstating and exagerrating your case in order to try to build a case.
Having to restore an iPhone -- and not being able to do so -- is very rare.
But to then say that Apple support is out of reach or that AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth.
The first method involves a user putting the iPhone into a manual recovery mode, triggering the Internet Restore broadcast. This is picked up by nearby Macs or a PC with iTunes installed, which will bring up prompts to guide the user through the rest of the restoration.
The second way is for the device itself to enter the mode automatically, again bringing up the same prompts. A third apparently involves using Bluetooth as a "last resort" measure to broadcast the signal and for data transfers.
Completely wireless recovery. What could possibly go wrong?
If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong. At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure.
An Apple Store employee won't have better luck under the same circumstances with internet recovery. AppleCare+ still expires after 2 years and many people keep their phones much longer than that. And not everyone lives close to an Apple Store to take their phone in for service.
You didn't know that, with AppleCare+ you get more than an Apple Store employee trying their "luck" with it?
And, you also didn't know that you can extend AppleCare+ indefinitely when the 2 years expire?
And, you also didn't know that, if you choose not to drive to an Apple Store that you can get online and mail in service?
Apparently not.
So, as I said: "If you maintain your AppleCare+, very little could go seriously wrong.
At least nothing that a trip to the Apple Store couldn't cure."
Except what you are arguing is that people should now expect to pay hundreds of dollars to maintain AppleCare plus take a trip to the Apple store to do something they could have done themselves at home with a port. Yeah, that’s progress.
I realize this wouldn’t be a common problem, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s a major headache when it occurs and it’s not necessary.
Yeh, pretty much. I figure:
No AppleCare+ = Foolish user (unless its so old you don't care if it works or not)
For the cost of a Big Mac & Fries meal each month you can be assured you will have a working iPhone -- and you won't have to worry about having a heart attack or being able to button your pants.
... Apple takes care of its customers!
Apple customers are idiots if their experience is degraded due to Apple dropping a port. Got it.
Exactly. What George is trying to argue is that you're a fool for not paying an extra $10 per month. I keep my phones for 3-4 years, so that's an extra $500, or 50% (or more) of the cost of the phone. That's about like Ford making it so you can't jump their cars, but they'll come out and tow you to the dealer as long as you pay another $15k for their extended warranty. I think George is a fool for not being able to do simple math.
Really what I'm arguing against is the notion that nothing should ever go wrong with an iPhone. [Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
These are highly complex devices that (somewhat) push the envelope of technology -- and that may include a portless phone some day.
If you want that level of tech, then I think you should expect to pay for it -- or take your chances if you don't.
That would mean the end of so many accessories. No more wired headphones, no more display-out, no more microphone in, no more SD card reader, no more cheap iPhone docks, inefficient and expensive battery banks to name a few. I don't understand Apple's obsession with removing ports, especially now Ive has gone. Fine, they're a reliability issue as they're a mechanical part, but so are buttons and the mute switch and the speakers, maybe they should all go too?
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
Not simply an obsession with removing ports for the sake of removing ports.
Ports
create security issues, take up room, cost money to produce and
implement, are a point of entry for moisture, and use up battery power.
The accessories you mentioned are used by a small fraction of iOS users, and all are available in wireless alternatives.
That said, the article is a bunch of BS. Apple is not removing the port from the next iPhone. Even the apple watch has a port.
and you are overstating and exaggerating the benefits of removing the port. As I have already said, the supposed benefits you list of removing the port are trivial at best. It comes down to a cost-benefit ratio. Benefit - virtually none. Costs - none for some people but very significant for others.
As for security, if you can actually get past the hype and histrionics on sites like this, I challenge you to come up numbers of people for whom the port has truly caused a security problem. Now compare that to the number of people who have a true use for the port.
"AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth." - So you are arguing that Apple Care+ is a necessity rather than a luxury? In that case my argument stands completely on its own. The cost of AppleCare for the life of a phone approaches $500. If it's a necessity rather than a luxury as you state then that increases the cost of the phone by 50%. I'm not sure how that's hyperbole - I'm just stating the numbers associated with your claim.
Agree 100% with you on everything you said on this topic. Fairly well reasoned arguments and articulated well as well. George does not "listen" to ANYONE, even if the evidence contrary to his beliefs is "clear" for everyone else to see.
No, I don't. Not when they throw out opinions that fly in the face of reality.
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[Added}: Or, more specifically, that Apple should withhold technological advances on the fear that something might go wrong.
My vehicle has a pretty decent sound system, but I always plug my iPhone into it.
You talk about technological advances, just how is removing the lightning port a technological 'advance?' The two possible benefits are trivially increased battery life and increased security, but there are significant costs. How many people have their phone hacked via the lightning port each year vs need to use the lighting port? Advances are either new technologies, or new implementations of technologies that improve functionality and/or user experience. This does neither.
As for security, if you can actually get past the hype and histrionics on sites like this, I challenge you to come up numbers of people for whom the port has truly caused a security problem. Now compare that to the number of people who have a true use for the port.
"AppleCare+ is an unnecessary, overly expensive luxury is just hyperbole rather than truth." - So you are arguing that Apple Care+ is a necessity rather than a luxury? In that case my argument stands completely on its own. The cost of AppleCare for the life of a phone approaches $500. If it's a necessity rather than a luxury as you state then that increases the cost of the phone by 50%. I'm not sure how that's hyperbole - I'm just stating the numbers associated with your claim.
I I believe that radios (BlueTooth, WiFi) use more energy than wired connections as well.
So yes, Apple, please, please, please, whatever you do in your quest for carbon neutrality and energy conservation improvement, make wireless capability a priority so that we can all use more energy to charge and use our devices. 🤦♂️
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the solution of course is for Apple to produce a wifi dongle that connects to the entertainment units’ USB port that the phone automatically connects to when the car is turned on. Like carplay2air or carlinkit products.
I just bought a carlinkit dongle for my 2021 Santa Fe which has wired carplay standard. The dongle works just like the aftermarket kenwood wireless carplay unit in my Mazda.
No, I don't. Not when they throw out opinions that fly in the face of reality.