French hit Apple with antitrust complaint over serving personalized ads without consent

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  • Reply 21 of 26
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,908member
    mjtomlin said:
    That disclaimer doesn't in fact mean they're handing over your personal data for other to dig through and use.
    It is intentionally vague enough to allow them to collect and share whatever and whenever they want.  They even collect all your Health and Fitness data when you agree to use their apps.  It is all there in black and white, so don't pretend they are not doing it because you have to agree to it to use their products and services.
    But but... Timmy says "privacy is a fundamental human right", surely that can't all be PR??? 

    /s
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  • Reply 22 of 26
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 832member
    I hate those ads. It would be great if at least Apple One subscribers could turn them off.
    "those ads" - what are you talking about?
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  • Reply 23 of 26
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 832member

    There seems to be increasing dissonance between Apple’s publicly claimed objectives and standards and what it actually does internally. Whether it’s this, or is concern for human rights except where that interferes with profits. It’s “concern for the environment” by not shipping chargers, but making devices that cannot be fixed. It all looks really bad at many levels. They should get back to making great products and services and jump off the preachy public attitudes. They set themselves up to be jumped on for every little nuance that doesn’t fit their party line. Like this. 
    Nope - the dissonance is between those companies that want to track users and show ads vs. what Apple does.

    I did not miss the chargers in my last Apple devices.  I think Apple did the right thing here.

    All Apple devices can be fixed.  Not every tom, dick & harry know how to fix them.

    Apple sill makes great products.  The problem is there are too many people that think they "deserve" a piece of the Apple pie and complain to regulators.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 24 of 26
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 832member

    elijahg said:
    I hate those ads. It would be great if at least Apple One subscribers could turn them off.
    All Apple users can turn off Personalize Ads.  It's pretty easy.  You can't get rid of advertising altogether (which may be what you're requesting).  If you turn off Personalized Ads you'll still get just as many ads as you would have with it on.  They just won't be as relevant to you as Personalized Ads.  

    It's actually a pretty good idea to have no ads at all as a perk of an Apple One sub.  Apple is a for profit company so the idea of foregoing "free money" might not go over so well.
    So can you for most third-party tracking, but Apple is (correctly IMO) forcing third parties to ask permission before enabling it. The point of the lawsuit is that Apple has its own ad tracking on by default, whilst forcing third parties to ask permission.
    You are wrong - Apple has no 1st party tracking on by default.  User's have to agree to whatever Apple might be doing.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 25 of 26
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    nicholfd said:

    elijahg said:
    I hate those ads. It would be great if at least Apple One subscribers could turn them off.
    All Apple users can turn off Personalize Ads.  It's pretty easy.  You can't get rid of advertising altogether (which may be what you're requesting).  If you turn off Personalized Ads you'll still get just as many ads as you would have with it on.  They just won't be as relevant to you as Personalized Ads.  

    It's actually a pretty good idea to have no ads at all as a perk of an Apple One sub.  Apple is a for profit company so the idea of foregoing "free money" might not go over so well.
    So can you for most third-party tracking, but Apple is (correctly IMO) forcing third parties to ask permission before enabling it. The point of the lawsuit is that Apple has its own ad tracking on by default, whilst forcing third parties to ask permission.
    You are wrong - Apple has no 1st party tracking on by default.  User's have to agree to whatever Apple might be doing.
    The out-of-the-box default had long been "on" for personalized ads. Unless they've changed it somewhat recently it probably still is. 
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 26 of 26
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 832member

    tommikele said:
    In response, Apple called the claims in the complaint "patently false and will be seen for what they are, a poor attempt by those who track users to distract from their own actions and mislead regulators and policymakers." 
    I look forward to hearing more from Apple about that.

    Apple does not share data with third party tracker and ad sellers. That is consistent with their new privacy features. Facebook on the other hand shares data internally as Apple does, but with half of the rest of the world too..

    The statement you quote is 100% correct.
    Apple used third party contractors to listen to Siri conversations, until they got caught.  They also recorded your unencrypted IP address for every app you opened on your Mac, and prevented firewalls and VPNs from blocking the information.  Apple's privacy statements are still PR fluff.  Apple knows all about you and they can do whatever they want with the information because you agreed to the EULA.  Just watch Terms and Conditions May Apply.
    And all of this is old news and not current today.  Thanks for the history lesson.
    watto_cobra
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