Just wait. You know the Luddites are going to scream and cry "Hack! Fraud!", as is their want, to prevent this from moving forward. And we will all be stuck back in the 20th Century for the next 200 years.
Yes it’s so Neanderthal and inconvenient to use a very small paper passport. I’m all for progress but changing for the sake of something new that feels ‘high tech’ is foolish.
Once upon a time it was cool and fun to have your passport stamped in other countries, or have interesting visas affixed to your pages.
Why do you think there is a push for a centralised electronic repository for information? I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it also doesn’t take any intelligence to understand where it is headed. You just need to take your head out of the sand.
So Apple doesn’t support voter ID, which simply means showing an ID to vote. They claim it to be racist and disenfranchising. Yet they want to make something like this... unbelievable
First, until Department of Homeland Security updates REAL ID regulations (neither a simple nor fast process), this really doesn’t matter.
US citizens cannot board a plane unless they show REAL ID-compliant identification, and the current statues say nothing about digital identification.
Second, once DHS does its thing, each State will need to wire up their DMVs (et al) to do adopt the standard. This, too, will not be a fast process.
Nationwide, interoperable digital ID is at least a half decade away. Welcome to bureaucracy.
That Real ID thing needs a lot of fixing. Here in PA you have to pay to get one -- but many cannot because the state does not recognize their birth certificates that 60-70 years ago were standard issue.
I took a ton of identifying paperwork -- including my original birth certificate -- but was denied a real Id because they refused to accept my birth certificate as a birth certificate. And, I know several others who are in the same boat.
Maybe this will be an opportunity to fix a broken ID system
So, how does one unlock a phone to show an officer their id but still hide the child pornography, drug deals, domestic terrorism plots and human trafficking on their phone?
If it can be made secure from identity theft, cloning, hacking etc. Yes please.
Currently I have to have with me
Passport Country ID card Health card Driving license.
Plus obviously credit cards.
Above any other device or technology the elimination of all of the above has been my biggest wish. No more wallet (credit/debit cards, points cards, driver's license, medical card and yes no more physical passport).
So Apple doesn’t support voter ID, which simply means showing an ID to vote. They claim it to be racist and disenfranchising. Yet they want to make something like this... unbelievable
I hope you properly stretched before you made that reach
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
likewise if your screen becomes damaged... then what? And having all your documents including DL, credit cards, identity cards, and passports all in one place means you better not ever misplace it or let it run out of juice at a critical moment.
I like this idea but I would still insist on having a physical passport.
Ok. What happens when a Customs Official in a country decides to "keep" your phone because it is your passport and they don't want you leaving their country?
Ok. What happens when a Customs Official in a country decides to "keep" your phone because it is your passport and they don't want you leaving their country?
Not much thought has been put into this question.
That hypothetical customs official when he/she confiscate your passport, paper or otherwise, will also keep you somewhere nearby. They're not just going to take your passport and let you roam free. Either way you're not going anywhere.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I think his line of thinking may be more related to usage habits.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I think his line of thinking may be more related to usage habits.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
Let's just say that it's much easier to pay yourself to a treat if you steal my wallet with my credit cards inside since they do contain the number, my full name, expiration date and CVV number. If on the other hand you secretly steal my phone then you better steal my face as well because that's the only way you're getting in. Much harder to do. And also you don't have access to any of my credit card information.
In the case of a passport it'll probably work the same way, biometric authentication. In other words without my face you're not getting anywhere with it. Much harder proposition to steal duplicate it and do other nefarious things with it.
Either way it's a hassle for the person being robbed.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I've had my phone stolen before, and I've had my wallet stolen before. It happens. When I got my phone stolen I still had my wallet, so while I was inconvenienced, I still had identification and money. And when I got my wallet stolen I still had my phone and was able to call people if I needed help. While I could have had both stolen at the same time, I didn't, because both of them were opportunistic thieves who snatched and ran. The point is, concentrating so much value in a single thing will make it all the more of a problem if you find yourself without it, especially when, though not limited to, you are abroad or otherwise away from home. A person is never totally invulnerable, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take steps to make yourself less vulnerable, and not loading up on a single point of failure is one of them.
Reminds me a little bit of the film Filofax (or Taking Care Of Business), which, while not a good film at the time and probably very dated now, made a mildly fun romp of losing something that you've made the centre of your world.
So, while sarcasm might make you feel clever, showing off to your internet friends, actually thinking things through is much more clever.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I've had my phone stolen before, and I've had my wallet stolen before. It happens. When I got my phone stolen I still had my wallet, so while I was inconvenienced, I still had identification and money. And when I got my wallet stolen I still had my phone and was able to call people if I needed help. While I could have had both stolen at the same time, I didn't, because both of them were opportunistic thieves who snatched and ran. The point is, concentrating so much information is a single thing will make it all the more of a problem if you find yourself without it, especially when, though not limited to, you are abroad or otherwise away from home. A person is never totally invulnerable, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take steps to make yourself less vulnerable, and not loading up on a single point of failure is one of them.
Sarcasm might make you feel clever, but actually thinking things through is much more clever.
I wonder then up until very recently how people ever survived without smartphone technology? Where was their backup to physical wallets or purses before Apple Wallet or Apple Pay? A technology not even 10 years old.
Doom and gloom scenarios aside, it's much easier and much more secure to use Apple Pay than carrying plastic cards around. And I agree, thinking things through is much more clever.
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I think his line of thinking may be more related to usage habits.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
Let's just say that it's much easier to pay yourself to a treat if you steal my wallet with my credit cards inside since they do contain the number, my full name, expiration date and CVV number. If on the other hand you secretly steal my phone then you better steal my face as well because that's the only way you're getting in. Much harder to do. And also you don't have access to any of my credit card information.
In the case of a passport it'll probably work the same way, biometric authentication. In other words without my face you're not getting anywhere with it. Much harder proposition to steal duplicate it and do other nefarious things with it.
Either way it's a hassle for the person being robbed.
Any time you get robbed it's a hassle. Even just reporting it is a hassle.
Getting your bank card back onto a phone takes two minutes. Getting a passport onto a phone will take longer as you will have to jump through more hoops and could even run into restrictions if you are abroad.
Physical cards are also moving with the times. This is from my bank:
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I think his line of thinking may be more related to usage habits.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
Let's just say that it's much easier to pay yourself to a treat if you steal my wallet with my credit cards inside since they do contain the number, my full name, expiration date and CVV number. If on the other hand you secretly steal my phone then you better steal my face as well because that's the only way you're getting in. Much harder to do. And also you don't have access to any of my credit card information.
In the case of a passport it'll probably work the same way, biometric authentication. In other words without my face you're not getting anywhere with it. Much harder proposition to steal duplicate it and do other nefarious things with it.
Either way it's a hassle for the person being robbed.
Any time you get robbed it's a hassle. Even just reporting it is a hassle.
Getting your bank card back onto a phone takes two minutes. Getting a passport onto a phone will take longer as you will have to jump through more hoops and could even run into restrictions if you are abroad.
Physical cards are also moving with the times. This is from my bank:
The value of your phone to a robber isn't in its logical content but the value of the components themselves.
How potential phone theft and integrated passports are managed seems to be a bit of a mystery at the moment.
Nobody knows how passports may be handled from one country to the next. It's just speculation and obviously it won't be overnight, just like debit/credit cards in Apple Pay. There are places like Walmart who still don't have tap and pay. I wonder how Current-C is working out for them.
I'm glad that banks are finally starting to get with the times and are eliminating numbers and other identifiers.
I don't know how it is in all countries of the world but robbers stealing phones for their components? Is it even easy to take apart a modern iPhone and is there even a market for its components? Stealing a modern smartphone, is it easy to break into it, wipe it clean and then resell it? I know there's theft from containers, but used phones? Don't you need hyper specialized hardware/software to do this?
Sounds like getting your phone stolen or lost could become much more of a problem.
Because in your part of the world, the laws of physics clearly state, that only smartphones can get stolen. Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
I think his line of thinking may be more related to usage habits.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
Let's just say that it's much easier to pay yourself to a treat if you steal my wallet with my credit cards inside since they do contain the number, my full name, expiration date and CVV number. If on the other hand you secretly steal my phone then you better steal my face as well because that's the only way you're getting in. Much harder to do. And also you don't have access to any of my credit card information.
In the case of a passport it'll probably work the same way, biometric authentication. In other words without my face you're not getting anywhere with it. Much harder proposition to steal duplicate it and do other nefarious things with it.
Either way it's a hassle for the person being robbed.
Any time you get robbed it's a hassle. Even just reporting it is a hassle.
Getting your bank card back onto a phone takes two minutes. Getting a passport onto a phone will take longer as you will have to jump through more hoops and could even run into restrictions if you are abroad.
Physical cards are also moving with the times. This is from my bank:
The value of your phone to a robber isn't in its logical content but the value of the components themselves.
How potential phone theft and integrated passports are managed seems to be a bit of a mystery at the moment.
Nobody knows how passports may be handled from one country to the next. It's just speculation and obviously it won't be overnight, just like debit/credit cards in Apple Pay. There are places like Walmart who still don't have tap and pay. I wonder how Current-C is working out for them.
I'm glad that banks are finally starting to get with the times and are eliminating numbers and other identifiers.
I don't know how it is in all countries of the world but robbers stealing phones for their components? Is it even easy to take apart a modern iPhone and is there even a market for its components? Stealing a modern smartphone, is it easy to break into it, wipe it clean and then resell it? I know there's theft from containers, but used phones? Don't you need hyper specialized hardware/software to do this?
I've been told by police sources that most of the phones stolen here are in Africa within a few days. No idea why that's the case but organised crime is obviously pulling the strings in this 'business'.
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Once upon a time it was cool and fun to have your passport stamped in other countries, or have interesting visas affixed to your pages.
Why do you think there is a push for a centralised electronic repository for information? I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it also doesn’t take any intelligence to understand where it is headed. You just need to take your head out of the sand.
No more wallet (credit/debit cards, points cards, driver's license, medical card and yes no more physical passport).
I like this idea but I would still insist on having a physical passport.
That hypothetical customs official when he/she confiscate your passport, paper or otherwise, will also keep you somewhere nearby. They're not just going to take your passport and let you roam free. Either way you're not going anywhere.
Wallets containing plastic cards and/or paper passports, can never ever get stolen. It's like dividing by zero.
For example, I would normally keep my passport in a safer place than actually on my person when out of the country (either in a hotel safe or at a residential accommodation). I'd carry a copy of it on me just in case.
If I lost my phone it would be tremendous hassle but with a decent backup strategy I could deal with restoring contents relatively easily.
However, if my passport were on my phone, the security angle takes on a new meaning. Leaving it in a safe or secure location would no longer be a realistic option as it would defeat the objective of having a phone.
Perhaps these aspects are covered somewhere in the proposal but I that's the gist of what he meant.
In the case of a passport it'll probably work the same way, biometric authentication. In other words without my face you're not getting anywhere with it. Much harder proposition to steal duplicate it and do other nefarious things with it.
Either way it's a hassle for the person being robbed.
Reminds me a little bit of the film Filofax (or Taking Care Of Business), which, while not a good film at the time and probably very dated now, made a mildly fun romp of losing something that you've made the centre of your world.
So, while sarcasm might make you feel clever, showing off to your internet friends, actually thinking things through is much more clever.
Where was their backup to physical wallets or purses before Apple Wallet or Apple Pay? A technology not even 10 years old.
Doom and gloom scenarios aside, it's much easier and much more secure to use Apple Pay than carrying plastic cards around.
And I agree, thinking things through is much more clever.
Getting your bank card back onto a phone takes two minutes. Getting a passport onto a phone will take longer as you will have to jump through more hoops and could even run into restrictions if you are abroad.
Physical cards are also moving with the times. This is from my bank:
https://www.bbva.com/en/es/bbva-launches-aqua-the-first-card-without-numbers-or-a-cvv/
The value of your phone to a robber isn't in its logical content but the value of the components themselves.
How potential phone theft and integrated passports are managed seems to be a bit of a mystery at the moment.
I'm glad that banks are finally starting to get with the times and are eliminating numbers and other identifiers.
I don't know how it is in all countries of the world but robbers stealing phones for their components? Is it even easy to take apart a modern iPhone and is there even a market for its components? Stealing a modern smartphone, is it easy to break into it, wipe it clean and then resell it? I know there's theft from containers, but used phones?
Don't you need hyper specialized hardware/software to do this?