Samsung copies Apple in adding anti-stalking feature to SmartThings

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Samsung has updated its SmartThings Find service to include an anti-stalking feature, one that Apple is believed to be incorporating in the long-rumored "AirTags."




Updated on Tuesday, the SmartThings changes add a number of elements to Samsung's connected device platform, with the main focus being on Find, its location-based tool for relocating devices. Similar in concept to Apple's Find My, SmartThings Find can be used to locate registered Galaxy smartphones, tablets, smartwatches, and earbuds, as well as things using the Galaxy SmartTag.

In the list of updates, Samsung includes something called the "Unknown Tag Search feature," which is intended to detect nearby Galaxy SmartTags and other related devices that are moving with the user, but aren't registered to them. Such trackers could be an attempt by someone else to secretly keep tabs on the person's movements, without their knowledge.

The feature is extremely similar to "Item Safety Features" found in iOS betas since November 2020. The feature was believed to allow the user to be alerted if they were seemingly carrying an "AirTag" that didn't belong to them, and to suggest that the user could contact law enforcement over the tracking.

Samsung's other Find-related change is the ability to use Bixby to perform SmartTag searches hands-free. For example, a user could ask Bixby "Where's my bike?" to refer to a tag associated with that object, which can trigger Bixby to make the tag ring out a noise.

Much like Apple's use of encryption for Find My, Samsung's SmartThings Find encrypts user data with a randomized private ID, one that changes every 15 minutes.

The timing of the update's release could be intended as a spoiler for Apple's "Spring Loaded" event occurring later in the day. Among the products anticipated to launch are "AirTags," Apple's smart tag for item tracking within the Find My app.

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  • Reply 1 of 13
    AF_HittAF_Hitt Posts: 144member
    I'm all for the "Samsung copies Apple" narrative and fully agree they have been both blatant and shameless about it for decades now... but how can they "steal" something from Apple that Apple hasn't even announced yet? Say what you will about ideas and implementation, but the fact of the matter is that Samsung has had a product available to purchase on the market well before Apple has in this case. Now, saying that, I am sure Apple's implementation will be much more elegant and effective.
    iHyavon b7darkvaderwilliamhwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 13
    So its a litle silly to say samsung is copying an apple feature for an unreleased product which samsung has already released. I'm not here for "narratives" I'm here for apple news. thx. In other "News": "Apple copies Intel by making chips!" "Apple copies Facebook by releasing a VR headset!" "Apple copies Tesla by making a car!" Please.
    edited April 2021 avon b7darkvader
  • Reply 3 of 13
    Good to see others here calling out the nonsensical premise of this post.
    darkvader
  • Reply 4 of 13
    retrogustoretrogusto Posts: 1,142member
    AF_Hitt said:
    I'm all for the "Samsung copies Apple" narrative and fully agree they have been both blatant and shameless about it for decades now... but how can they "steal" something from Apple that Apple hasn't even announced yet? Say what you will about ideas and implementation, but the fact of the matter is that Samsung has had a product available to purchase on the market well before Apple has in this case. Now, saying that, I am sure Apple's implementation will be much more elegant and effective.
    If you’re nimble enough and have access to leaked information, it’s certainly possible. For example, if I made a copycat smartphone similar to iPhone, I could conceivably move the ear speaker to the top edge of the screen and make the notch smaller, and if I can release it before September (and assuming the current rumors about the next iPhone prove accurate), I would have done just that. Official announcements and product releases aren’t the only conduits for information exchange, nor are they a definitive indicator of who had an idea first. Details about AirTags have been circulating for a while now, and if anyone has the ability to quickly bring something like this to market, it’s a company like Samsung. 
    chasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 13
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Some things are okay to ‘steal’ and this is one of them. Anything that enhances user safety, privacy, and security should be copied by all. 
    mknelsonchadbagwilliamhwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 13
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    AF_Hitt said:
    I'm all for the "Samsung copies Apple" narrative and fully agree they have been both blatant and shameless about it for decades now... but how can they "steal" something from Apple that Apple hasn't even announced yet? Say what you will about ideas and implementation, but the fact of the matter is that Samsung has had a product available to purchase on the market well before Apple has in this case. Now, saying that, I am sure Apple's implementation will be much more elegant and effective.
    I get it but Samsung being first to market doesn’t usually mean anything. It neither increases Samsung sales nor decreases Apple sales. After Apple releases its take on a product or feature that is ‘much more elegant’ Samsung tends to ‘emulate’ that elegant solution. Same goes for Android. We should all have links to the comment made by a Google engineer when the iPhone was introduced.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/


    edited April 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 13
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    That's an absolutely idiotic headline.

    Samsung, a company with an actual, shipping product, adds an actual, shipping feature.

    Apple, a company with a rumored vaporware possible future product, supposedly invented that feature?  Talk about blatant fanboyism.

    Knock in off, AppleInsider.  You can do better.
  • Reply 8 of 13
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,019member
    AF_Hitt said:
    I'm all for the "Samsung copies Apple" narrative and fully agree they have been both blatant and shameless about it for decades now... but how can they "steal" something from Apple that Apple hasn't even announced yet? Say what you will about ideas and implementation, but the fact of the matter is that Samsung has had a product available to purchase on the market well before Apple has in this case. Now, saying that, I am sure Apple's implementation will be much more elegant and effective.
    If you’re nimble enough and have access to leaked information, it’s certainly possible. For example, if I made a copycat smartphone similar to iPhone, I could conceivably move the ear speaker to the top edge of the screen and make the notch smaller, and if I can release it before September (and assuming the current rumors about the next iPhone prove accurate), I would have done just that. Official announcements and product releases aren’t the only conduits for information exchange, nor are they a definitive indicator of who had an idea first. Details about AirTags have been circulating for a while now, and if anyone has the ability to quickly bring something like this to market, it’s a company like Samsung. 
    That's a stretch and by the same token it is entirely possible Samsung didn't 'copy' anyone at all.

    We might as well just say Apple copied Sharp with the notch but just decided to place more components into it and, as a result, made it wider to accommodate them. 

    Huawei has reduced its notch twice over the last couple of years while maintaining even more functionality than Apple.

    The reality is that Apple is sometimes slow to market, or deliberately chooses to hold features back and puts them onto later devices, which, in the case of Apple basically means making users wait for a year (or longer) to get them.

    Yes, the wording of the article is a stretch too but it's an Apple centred site and the styling is nothing new so I get why some articles are 'skewed' to show Apple in a better light. I get it. It's not really an issue but sometimes it will get mentioned. That's fair IMO. 

    That said, it would be foolish to assume the 'idea' of anti stalking features was unique to Apple. 
  • Reply 9 of 13
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 2,028member
    While you guys argue about copying (in this case probably a good idea) I’ll just mention again that Bixby is a dumb name.  If I were Samsung, that would be enough of an embarrassment.   
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 13
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,597member
    I'm dumbfounded that some forum members here don't understand the concept of industrial espionage. You can ABSOLUTELY steal ideas from their originator and get them into a product before the creator of said idea gets them to market. Samsung itself has done this numerous times in the past.

    I'm not making any judgement on whether Apple was the first to add anti-stalking to its "Find My" infrastructure, which **is** a released product that's been out for quite some time and recently expanded, but they are the first I was aware of to make this reported-on-at-the-time change. Did Tile implement this before Apple? Do we have any evidence that they did?

    I fear for some of the forum-goer's short-term memory capabilities. The headline is only a "stretch" if you think only in terms of AirTags rather than correctly understanding it is about the "Find My" infrastructure.
    retrogustojony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 13
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,019member
    chasm said:
    I'm dumbfounded that some forum members here don't understand the concept of industrial espionage. You can ABSOLUTELY steal ideas from their originator and get them into a product before the creator of said idea gets them to market. Samsung itself has done this numerous times in the past.

    I'm not making any judgement on whether Apple was the first to add anti-stalking to its "Find My" infrastructure, which **is** a released product that's been out for quite some time and recently expanded, but they are the first I was aware of to make this reported-on-at-the-time change. Did Tile implement this before Apple? Do we have any evidence that they did?

    I fear for some of the forum-goer's short-term memory capabilities. The headline is only a "stretch" if you think only in terms of AirTags rather than correctly understanding it is about the "Find My" infrastructure.
    "Find My" infrastructure has been around in different forms for over a decade. It's a shipping feature on a released product.

    The 'anti-stalking' component however, is not yet part of that product AFAIK. It is just a feature that will probably be incorporated because that's what people have seen in beta releases of iOS14.

    The anti-stalking feature itself (at least in this context) is irrelevant. The 'stretch' is to associate some kind of connection between Samsung's announcement of a similar feature using the phrase 'Samsung copies Apple' (In the first three words of the title) for a product that Apple simply doesn't have at the time of writing.

    You can tear the wording apart and justify it even, but it's still a stretch to imply it.

    Stalking is an age old problem (probably older than industrial espionage). Cyber stalking is also old enough now to be considered 'age old'. New digital devices that become more widespread, and more closely tied to different platforms, will inevitably have to provide safeguards at some point (preferably from the get go). When legislation catches up to specific technologies it will be a requirement to implement anti-stalking measures. I think that's a given. There is nothing new to the phenomenon. The focus will be on how the measures are implemented.

    The wording of this piece is fun for Apple users or the anti-Samsung folks, but it's definitely a stretch. 


    edited April 2021 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 12 of 13
    chasm said:
    I'm dumbfounded that some forum members here don't understand the concept of industrial espionage. You can ABSOLUTELY steal ideas from their originator and get them into a product before the creator of said idea gets them to market. Samsung itself has done this numerous times in the past.

    But this is not an idea that Samsung could have not thought of it itself. The fact that these things can be used for stalking is a no-brainer.

    This has nothing to do with espionage. This is simply a reaction to user feedback after being sold for a few months.  
  • Reply 13 of 13
    KuyangkohKuyangkoh Posts: 838member
    So its a litle silly to say samsung is copying an apple feature for an unreleased product which samsung has already released. I'm not here for "narratives" I'm here for apple news. thx. In other "News": "Apple copies Intel by making chips!" "Apple copies Facebook by releasing a VR headset!" "Apple copies Tesla by making a car!" Please.
    Hahahahaha.....correct they all copied each others now a days
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