If Apple announced the pending release of PPC 970 Powermacs and simultaneously announced huge $300-600 reductions in the current line) reductions on current hardware I think they'd be fine. People love deals.
If Apple announced the pending release of PPC 970 Powermacs and simultaneously announced huge $300-600 reductions in the current line) reductions on current hardware I think they'd be fine. People love deals.
This is going to be a very different WWDC.
I agree, but is that a better strategy than accepting orders for the 970 PM at the same time. I know I would hit the "buy now" button faster than you can say ...
Maybe twice even
If the G4 received a big enough price drop, they would get rid of them anyway.
I agree, but is that a better strategy than accepting orders for the 970 PM at the same time. I know I would hit the "buy now" button faster than you can say ...
Maybe twice even
If the G4 received a big enough price drop, they would get rid of them anyway.
It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have dumped excess stock in the landfill...didn't they have to do it with excess PowerBook G3 stocks somewhere around the move from Lombard to the Bronze KB Version?...
Hell Apple. Become a little Altruistic and sell the Powermacs to the Education channel for pennies on the dollar. If you're going to take a loss then make sure it's promoting your future in some way.
It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have dumped excess stock in the landfill...didn't they have to do it with excess PowerBook G3 stocks somewhere around the move from Lombard to the Bronze KB Version?...
I don't know about the PowerBook G3, but we all know how the Lisa ended up at the Logan Landfill in Utah in 1989
They better do something more constructive with the remaining machines this time. The PowerMac G4 does at least have some third party software available
Don't know if I can trust MacBidouille. I'll wait for MacOSrumors to corroborate these rumors
MacBidouille has been right on some rumors, but I think that they are more reliable than MacOSrumors is. I would just like to see something from ThinkSecret or Macrumors to get some info.
MacBidouille has been right on some rumors, but I think that they are more reliable than MacOSrumors is. I would just like to see something from ThinkSecret or Macrumors to get some info.
Wasn't it MacBidouille that revealed pictures of the wind-tunnel before it was officially shown to the public?
Apple's announcing their DV strategy at NAB in early April.
There are rumors that IBM is fabbing production 970s even now.
AMD is wicked good at fabbing, I hear. AMD is working with IBM on fabs, I hear.
Suppose AMD and IBM get into the .9 fabbing of the 970s, just for giggles, and try a test run using AMD's methodology. Hell, even the .13 size with AMD's methodology. AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc. It also improves the number of 1.4,1.8 ghz 970s on the wafers, BTW.
Apple pulls one from up its sleeve and debuts a new high-end professional G5-970workstation at NAB: FCP, Cinema Tools, Shake, DVDSP take your pick or mix-n-match. Available in very limited quantities in late May.
Apple's announcing their DV strategy at NAB in early April.
There are rumors that IBM is fabbing production 970s even now.
AMD is wicked good at fabbing, I hear. AMD is working with IBM on fabs, I hear.
Suppose AMD and IBM get into the .9 fabbing of the 970s, just for giggles, and try a test run using AMD's methodology. Hell, even the .13 size with AMD's methodology. AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc. It also improves the number of 1.4,1.8 ghz 970s on the wafers, BTW.
Apple pulls one from up its sleeve and debuts a new high-end professional G5-970workstation at NAB: FCP, Cinema Tools, Shake, DVDSP take your pick or mix-n-match. Available in very limited quantities in late May.
Did I just wake up in some reverse alternate universe. AMD is ok but I wouldn't say they're wicked good.
Well... maybe he should have re-phrased things just a bit... How about: in relation to MOT how would you define AMDs fab? From where I sit, 'wicked good' wouldn't be too far a stretch.
AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc.
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AMD with better heat management? The same AMD which gives tech support advice like "try running it with the case cover off"? The same AMD which makes CPUs that'll fry in less than 5 seconds if the heatsink/fan suddenly stops working?
Let's think about that one. AMD has their place, and it's not inside a Mac ('sides those SCSI controller chips from waaay back )
IBM will have no problem delivering the PPC970 all by their lonesome. I predict that the first Macs using the 970 will show up by late summer at the earliest, January '04 at the latest. We shall see...
I have personally witnessed an Athlon fry. Not fun. Not fun at all.
Does that mean that SOMEONE (IBM is fine by me) isn't storing up some chips from some very successful early runs? No. With all the trouble MOT has had in the last HALF-DECADE, I think we're in line for some good luck on the PPC front, don't you?
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If Apple announced the pending release of PPC 970 Powermacs and simultaneously announced huge $300-600 reductions in the current line) reductions on current hardware I think they'd be fine. People love deals.
This is going to be a very different WWDC.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Powermac sales are already on life support.
If Apple announced the pending release of PPC 970 Powermacs and simultaneously announced huge $300-600 reductions in the current line) reductions on current hardware I think they'd be fine. People love deals.
This is going to be a very different WWDC.
I agree, but is that a better strategy than accepting orders for the 970 PM at the same time. I know I would hit the "buy now" button faster than you can say ...
Maybe twice even
If the G4 received a big enough price drop, they would get rid of them anyway.
Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree, but is that a better strategy than accepting orders for the 970 PM at the same time. I know I would hit the "buy now" button faster than you can say ...
Maybe twice even
If the G4 received a big enough price drop, they would get rid of them anyway.
It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have dumped excess stock in the landfill...didn't they have to do it with excess PowerBook G3 stocks somewhere around the move from Lombard to the Bronze KB Version?...
At this speed, the rumors will be saying that the PPC 970 will be hitting speeds of 3 Ghz, then a couple of days later 4, then 5.
Originally posted by robster
It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have dumped excess stock in the landfill...didn't they have to do it with excess PowerBook G3 stocks somewhere around the move from Lombard to the Bronze KB Version?...
I don't know about the PowerBook G3, but we all know how the Lisa ended up at the Logan Landfill in Utah in 1989
They better do something more constructive with the remaining machines this time. The PowerMac G4 does at least have some third party software available
Originally posted by NETROMac
DP 2.3GHz 1195--1343
SP 1.8 GHz 937--1051
SP1.4GHz 739--817
And keep in mind that SPEC doesn't take into account multiple processors, if it did those numbers would be about:
DP 2.3 GHz 2300 -- 2700
Not that I believe the rumour in question.
Originally posted by Mac OS X Addict
The PPC 970 rumors get better and better. Lets hope that MacBidouille is right.
At this speed, the rumors will be saying that the PPC 970 will be hitting speeds of 3 Ghz, then a couple of days later 4, then 5.
Don't know if I can trust MacBidouille. I'll wait for MacOSrumors to corroborate these rumors
Originally posted by Vvmp
Don't know if I can trust MacBidouille. I'll wait for MacOSrumors to corroborate these rumors
MacBidouille has been right on some rumors, but I think that they are more reliable than MacOSrumors is. I would just like to see something from ThinkSecret or Macrumors to get some info.
Originally posted by Mac OS X Addict
MacBidouille has been right on some rumors, but I think that they are more reliable than MacOSrumors is. I would just like to see something from ThinkSecret or Macrumors to get some info.
Wasn't it MacBidouille that revealed pictures of the wind-tunnel before it was officially shown to the public?
Originally posted by NETROMac
Wasn't it MacBidouille that revealed pictures of the wind-tunnel before it was officially shown to the public?
That is correct.
I trust MacBidouille some, but ThinkSecret seems to be the most reliable site. The MOSR-guy is smoking his own socks!
There are rumors that IBM is fabbing production 970s even now.
AMD is wicked good at fabbing, I hear. AMD is working with IBM on fabs, I hear.
Suppose AMD and IBM get into the .9 fabbing of the 970s, just for giggles, and try a test run using AMD's methodology. Hell, even the .13 size with AMD's methodology. AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc. It also improves the number of 1.4,1.8 ghz 970s on the wafers, BTW.
Apple pulls one from up its sleeve and debuts a new high-end professional G5-970workstation at NAB: FCP, Cinema Tools, Shake, DVDSP take your pick or mix-n-match. Available in very limited quantities in late May.
Jc ducks as Matsu throws a trout.
Originally posted by jccbin
Apple's announcing their DV strategy at NAB in early April.
There are rumors that IBM is fabbing production 970s even now.
AMD is wicked good at fabbing, I hear. AMD is working with IBM on fabs, I hear.
Suppose AMD and IBM get into the .9 fabbing of the 970s, just for giggles, and try a test run using AMD's methodology. Hell, even the .13 size with AMD's methodology. AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc. It also improves the number of 1.4,1.8 ghz 970s on the wafers, BTW.
Apple pulls one from up its sleeve and debuts a new high-end professional G5-970workstation at NAB: FCP, Cinema Tools, Shake, DVDSP take your pick or mix-n-match. Available in very limited quantities in late May.
Jc ducks as Matsu throws a trout.
It is nice to dream... Yes?
Originally posted by jccbin
AMD is wicked good at fabbing, I hear. AMD is working with IBM on fabs, I hear.
Suppose AMD and IBM get into the .9 fabbing of the 970s, just for giggles, and try a test run using AMD's methodology.
You realise AMD paid IBM to help them right?
AMD is wicked good at fabbing,
Originally posted by hmurchison
Well... maybe he should have re-phrased things just a bit... How about: in relation to MOT how would you define AMDs fab? From where I sit, 'wicked good' wouldn't be too far a stretch.
Dave
Originally posted by jccbin
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AND... they discover that the AMD way generates plenty of 2.3 ghz 970s with better heat management, etc.
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AMD with better heat management? The same AMD which gives tech support advice like "try running it with the case cover off"? The same AMD which makes CPUs that'll fry in less than 5 seconds if the heatsink/fan suddenly stops working?
Let's think about that one. AMD has their place, and it's not inside a Mac ('sides those SCSI controller chips from waaay back
IBM will have no problem delivering the PPC970 all by their lonesome. I predict that the first Macs using the 970 will show up by late summer at the earliest, January '04 at the latest. We shall see...
I have personally witnessed an Athlon fry. Not fun. Not fun at all.
Does that mean that SOMEONE (IBM is fine by me) isn't storing up some chips from some very successful early runs? No. With all the trouble MOT has had in the last HALF-DECADE, I think we're in line for some good luck on the PPC front, don't you?
:-)