Texas homes heat up as power companies alter smart thermostats

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  • Reply 21 of 47
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    78 is "unbearably hot?" and places his bay at risk of dehydration? Maybe he should not pile blankets and comforters on top if it so incredibly hot.

    This guy is a drama king and a waster of energy.

    Read the fine print next time you join a thermostat program run by the power company in a state well know for screwing its power grid and being unable to meet demand even during normal times.
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  • Reply 22 of 47
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,780member
    I appreciate that this was part of an opt-in programme (and a bit dumbfounded and impressed that anyone in Texas or any other southern-half state would opt-in), but I feel like the commenters are rather missing the point: Texas’ power grid doesn’t work well because it’s been very poorly managed over a long period because some stupid and/or rich people think deregulation and the resulting chaos is still better than mild public-utility regulation, and the private sector has taken full advantage of that.

    The people who run the grid didn’t care if people froze to death during the last big failure, and they will not care if some customers die for lack of power to run medical equipment or AC now.

    Unsupervised/unregulated  private ownership of public utilities that people depend on for SURVIVAL is utter and immoral madness.
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  • Reply 23 of 47
    bluefire1bluefire1 Posts: 1,318member
    Temperature comfort is individualized. For me, 78 degrees is uncomfortable but certainly not unbearable. On the other hand, my wife would find it quite comfortable.The only issue is whether or not the citizens who signed up for this were fully aware of this possibility or somehow duped.  
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  • Reply 24 of 47
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,179member
    This has got to be the biggest article about nothing.  The ignorance of people, and the media to capitalize on that ignorance is so strong in this article.

    It's crap faux-outrage like this that motivates me to shut down my Internet access and live in a cabin.  
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  • Reply 25 of 47
    JC Craftsmanjc craftsman Posts: 4unconfirmed, member
    Comments said it nicely. It’s the program they signed up for.
    This is the dumbest story I can recall reading in quite a while. 
    And the concept that 78 degrees inside out of the sun with (humidity lowering) AC is any risk, is without serious basis. 

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  • Reply 26 of 47
    mr lizardmr lizard Posts: 354member
    Is there nothing in that country that isn’t up for sale? Even their thermostat settings can be manipulated for profit. 
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  • Reply 27 of 47
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Comments said it nicely. It’s the program they signed up for.
    This is the dumbest story I can recall reading in quite a while. 
    And the concept that 78 degrees inside out of the sun with (humidity lowering) AC is any risk, is without serious basis. 

    Not everyone is like you.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325232
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  • Reply 28 of 47
    Beats said:
    Beats said:
    This scares me. I didn’t know thermostats could be controlled by third-parties. So does everything HomeKit compatible work this way? Geez.

    This is the most absurdly dramatic and sensational article ever written… tampered? Please. Someone was sweating? Rough life.  Someone dehydrating in “unbearable” 78 degree heat? They upped the temp by four degrees… Christ on crutches. Just delete this and try again. So poorly written. 

    Wgkrueger said:

    Who in the world other than entitled rich people calls 78 degrees unbearably hot? 

    Why should we care that entitled rich people are sweating?

    This was Texas. Have you not lived in the south or an area with extreme heat? If your AC turns off and you’re in a far room away from the thermostat you’ll start sweating pretty quickly before the thermostat in the living room catches up to the heat. This problem needs to be solved.
    This has nothing to do with HomeKit. The thermostats that are in question are connected to the internet and and can be controlled via apps. None of that requires HomeKit. Where I live (in Texas) the utility company will provide you a credit if you buy a qualifying thermostat and as part of getting the credit you grant them access to control the temperature if they need to. None of which has anything to do with HomeKit. 

    So if my thermostat is connected via HomeKit 3rd parties can’t access it. Got it. 
    Maybe read some of the posts of people in these programs.  You'll gain a better understanding of the topic.  Right now, you're so hung up on Homekit and the "Apple" connection you can't see there isn't an Apple connection at all.  This program, and those like it across the country, is voluntary.  The power company isn't arbitrarily accessing people's thermostats.  In exchange for various incentives, participants give the power company access to their thermostats.   There is no scary 3rd party accessing people's devices without their consent and knowledge.

    Homekit and Apple play no part in that process.   Don't let the headline trick you into thinking otherwise.  It seems AI is using click bait headlines more and more often.  I hope it isn't a continuing trend.
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  • Reply 29 of 47
    I live in the midwest and our power company has a similar program.  The don't access your thermostat though, they install a module that just directly turns your heat pump off for a period of time.  In return, you get a small credit on your power bill.  If they actually offered a smart thermostat and a more substantial credit, I might go for it, but the $5 per month for three months is a paltry sum, so I've never bothered.
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  • Reply 30 of 47
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,764member
    Beats said:
    I thought only the user had access to their smart devices. The fact 3rd parties can control them is scary.

    Anything connected to the Internet has a chance of being controlled by someone you don't want.  

    However in this case, they signed up for the program.  The click baity title and tone of the article is unecessary - except without it no one would be clicking on it or commenting.  

    Manufactured news...
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  • Reply 31 of 47
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,179member
    I live in the midwest and our power company has a similar program.  The don't access your thermostat though, they install a module that just directly turns your heat pump off for a period of time.  In return, you get a small credit on your power bill.  If they actually offered a smart thermostat and a more substantial credit, I might go for it, but the $5 per month for three months is a paltry sum, so I've never bothered.
    It’s the same here in MN - there’s a switch they install on the AC compressor unit that cycles on and off. A smart thermostat seems like a better way, though. 

    Completely agree with many other comments, though. This is a total clickbait article that misrepresents and overstates what is really an non-issue. (I notice that AI at least deleted the original article that was even worse.)
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  • Reply 32 of 47
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,179member
    crowley said:
    Comments said it nicely. It’s the program they signed up for.
    This is the dumbest story I can recall reading in quite a while. 
    And the concept that 78 degrees inside out of the sun with (humidity lowering) AC is any risk, is without serious basis. 

    Not everyone is like you.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325232
    Cry them a river.  If there are people “suffering” from heat intolerance, they shouldn’t be living in Texas in the summer.

    What next?  Post an article about “cold-intolerant” people living in Minneapolis in the winter?
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  • Reply 33 of 47
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,220member
    lkrupp said:
    This entire article is complete bullshit. 78° F is NOT ‘unbearably hot’ under any setting. A three month old child will NOT dehydrate in 78° F. Sheesh, talk about hysteria.

    And this is just the beginning. Expect mandatory environmental control to increase as demand for energy rises geometrically while fossil fueled power plants are shut down, hydroelectric dams are blown up, and nuclear plants are blocked at every turn by environmentalists. Fusion power will remain a pipe dream for decades to come. Wind and solar panels cannot store enough energy to meet daily loads, let alone base loads. 
    You were doing so well in the beginning, until your diatribe about environmentalists. Nuclear certainly isn’t ideal, as we have no good ideas to do with the radioactive waste that will outlast us all. With the high profile failures at nuclear facilities there is every reason to not find it an ideal solution. 
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  • Reply 34 of 47
    It’s stuff like this is why I don’t give ANY IoT stuff access to the internet.  Keep it all local, nothing in or out of the firewall to these devices  Have to be on the wifi/network in order to control them.  You lose the convenience of being able to change things while you’re out and about, but it’s a small price to pay to ensure security.  There’s always the possibility of setting a vpn to access the things on your network.
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  • Reply 35 of 47
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    lkrupp said:
    This entire article is complete bullshit. 78° F is NOT ‘unbearably hot’ under any setting. A three month old child will NOT dehydrate in 78° F. Sheesh, talk about hysteria.

    And this is just the beginning. Expect mandatory environmental control to increase as demand for energy rises geometrically while fossil fueled power plants are shut down, hydroelectric dams are blown up, and nuclear plants are blocked at every turn by environmentalists. Fusion power will remain a pipe dream for decades to come. Wind and solar panels cannot store enough energy to meet daily loads, let alone base loads. 
    You were doing so well in the beginning, until your diatribe about environmentalists. Nuclear certainly isn’t ideal, as we have no good ideas to do with the radioactive waste that will outlast us all. With the high profile failures at nuclear facilities there is every reason to not find it an ideal solution. 
    Yeah, like I said, you guys are blocking nuclear at every turn. No nuclear, no coal, no natural gas, no hydroelectric, only wind and solar which can’t even begin to supply the energy needs of the future. Solar and wind cannot be stored as we don’t have the battery technology to do it on the massive scale required. So when the wind stops and the sun goes down energy production stops. Then what? It’s a fantasy dream that we can do without nuclear or fossil. For the foreseeable future both will be required to meet ever increasing demand
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  • Reply 36 of 47
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,105member
    I’d imagine that 78 degrees in Arizona is considered sweater weather. 
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  • Reply 37 of 47
    It’s stuff like this is why I don’t give ANY IoT stuff access to the internet.  Keep it all local, nothing in or out of the firewall to these devices  Have to be on the wifi/network in order to control them.  You lose the convenience of being able to change things while you’re out and about, but it’s a small price to pay to ensure security.  There’s always the possibility of setting a vpn to access the things on your network.
    Stuff like what?  Participating customers allow the power company to adjust the thermostat to help with load balancing.  In return, the power companies offer the customers varying incentives.  This is not a security issue.
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  • Reply 38 of 47
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    Wgkrueger said:
    Who in the world other than entitled rich people calls 78 degrees unbearably hot? 
    I guess the concern was for the infant, but I was kind of thinking the same thing. We're in a bit of a heat wave here in Victoria, BC as well, where most of us don't have A/C. I'm pretty sure it's at least 78 in our place right now.
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  • Reply 39 of 47
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,179member
    dewme said:
    I’d imagine that 78 degrees in Arizona is considered sweater weather. 
    I was in Phoenix a few years ago. It was in the 60’s and I saw someone wearing a full length down parka. 

    cgWerks said:
    Wgkrueger said:
    Who in the world other than entitled rich people calls 78 degrees unbearably hot? 
    I guess the concern was for the infant, but I was kind of thinking the same thing. We're in a bit of a heat wave here in Victoria, BC as well, where most of us don't have A/C. I'm pretty sure it's at least 78 in our place right now.
    78??? Think of the children!!!
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  • Reply 40 of 47
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    sflocal said:
    crowley said:
    Comments said it nicely. It’s the program they signed up for.
    This is the dumbest story I can recall reading in quite a while. 
    And the concept that 78 degrees inside out of the sun with (humidity lowering) AC is any risk, is without serious basis. 

    Not everyone is like you.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325232
    Cry them a river.  If there are people “suffering” from heat intolerance, they shouldn’t be living in Texas in the summer.

    What next?  Post an article about “cold-intolerant” people living in Minneapolis in the winter?
    If a heating company was turning off those people's heating then yeah, I'd say an article is warranted.
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