Mini LED 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro production begins

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  • Reply 21 of 25
    Hopefully Apple does a better job than the iPad Pro at minimizing mini LED blooming with these new MacBook Pro's. 
    From what I understand, the blooming problem was greatly exaggerated and barely visible even in the dark.

    The problem is that photos taken with HDR phone cameras would attempt to boost the bloom - so those posting blooming pictures knew that their cameras were exaggerating the blooming effect and posted 'em anyway for dramatic effect. Sort of a lie by omission.

    You'll never get rid of that blooming ... it's a side-effect of the technology.

    So you either have a little blooming with mini-LED or dim OLED panels which can be washed out in sunlight - at least until micro-LED is perfected.
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  • Reply 22 of 25
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    nadriel said:
    darkvader said:
    No thanks, not going to recommend anybody buy a laptop with built-in spyware.
    That you equate targeted hash-matching of known child exploitation material done in conjunction with the Centers for Missing and Exploited Children — with “spyware” is pretty weird. 
    Those deeply damaged souls that form a market for that type crap get scabt sympathy from me — and I applaud Apples approach to using AI to fight it. 
    From all I’ve read, their approach is limited, focused, targeted and subject appropriate. It’s not going to put any general netizens rights in jeopardy and they couldn’t  care less about your “slippery slope” fantasies  - cuz they’re focusing on protecting kids that ACTUALLY need these protections. I for one applaud Apple for understanding that these are  massively serious issues AND that they can use their technology to actually make a difference for these tiny Victims. Good for you Apple. 
    It’s scrubs through your data, it is spying, even if the cause is benevolent. I value my privacy a lot, I understand that Apple doesn’t want to host any of the despicable crap on their servers. This is hyperbole, but this kind of thing makes Apple hardware less desirable for me, or I’ll stop using their cloud services.

    All in all, I think this kind of individuals and real criminals might already be prepared to go around this kind of steps, so it’s the rest of us who suffer the loss of privacy. Even if it’s an automatic process. There might still be false positives which leads to someone seeing something that is private and trust their discretion.

    I will research more into this and will make a more informed decision, their next MacBook Pros are what I’ve been looking to upgrade to. This was not a thing I wanted to consider when buying, and it sucks. :(

    PS: could you please provide links to places you’ve used to familiarize yourself on this?
    Is it spying if there's no output?  Because if you don't have any child abuse images there won't be any output, Apple will know no more about you than they did before.  When Google and Facebook spy on you, they build a profile, Apple are not doing that, they are only taking any action whatsoever if they see multiple hash matches against a child abuse hash list.  And the chances of a false positive are incredibly low*. 

    Calling this spying may fit some definitions, but I think it doesn't really fit the bill in terms of everyday use.  What Apple are doing is on the same sort of level of checksumming a download to check that it's valid, or running a virus scan to check if a file is infected ted.  The only difference is that the "invalidity" or "infection" is "contains know child abuse".  

    Though tbh, I'd call child abuse a plague which lacks basic humanity, so maybe invalid and infectious isn't too inaccurate.


    * So low that I wonder if Apple could offer some kind of recompense - a "Your image was flagged as potential child abuse, but it wasn't.  We had a look at it, and we're sorry that we had to do that, so here's $1 iTunes credit for your trouble, have a free song on us."  That could almost certainly be scammed, but maybe there's something Apple could do in that area.
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  • Reply 23 of 25
    nadriel said:

    Or, he values his privacy. It goes through the data you have, even if the cause is benevolent, it’s still spying. I want to have the disgusting individuals caught and prosecuted, but I am not willing to give up my right for privacy. I wouldn’t mind hosting my own “cloud” to keep all my photos and data safe from scrubbing. That doesn’t make me a criminal nor should it make suspicious of any criminal activity, at most eccentric in the eyes of some people.
    I'm beginning to think a remedial reading course should be a requirement for posting on the internet.

    Here's what I read on the subject:

    Software on your iPhone will create hashes for photos being uploaded to iCloud photo storage. Those hashes will be compared to a hash database of known illegal widely distributed images reported to the NCMEC (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children).

    If there are a sufficient number of hash collisions, the photos whose hashes match will be decrypted and examined by a human. If those photos indeed contain CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material) the account will be frozen and the matter will be reported to the NCMEC.

    Nowhere does it say it will be scrubbing all images on your device - it will only be checking that files being uploaded to iCloud photo storage do not match fingerprints of widely distributed and known CSAM. This is done by Google and Microsoft and any other organization or entity hosting image data by US law - Apple's just catching up on iCloud photo storage. They didn't even say if they would be doing this for photos already in iCloud photo storage, though to be in compliance they may have to do that too.

    The whole purpose of this exercise is to insure that pedophiles aren't passing around photos and brazenly putting them in their iDevice photo libraries and uploading them to iCloud photo storage.

    This is not image scanning - so your sexts or shared adult photos won't be affected. This is only being done for known, widely distributed CSAM reported to the NCMEC, and uses only file image level fingerprinting.

    We all have secrets to hide, and deserve our privacy - but we also have to realize that some things go beyond the pale and should be stopped.

    If I were Apple, I'd want to make sure that none of that trash sat on my servers too.
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  • Reply 24 of 25
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,487member
    nadriel said:
    darkvader said:
    No thanks, not going to recommend anybody buy a laptop with built-in spyware.
    That you equate targeted hash-matching of known child exploitation material done in conjunction with the Centers for Missing and Exploited Children — with “spyware” is pretty weird. 
    Those deeply damaged souls that form a market for that type crap get scabt sympathy from me — and I applaud Apples approach to using AI to fight it. 
    From all I’ve read, their approach is limited, focused, targeted and subject appropriate. It’s not going to put any general netizens rights in jeopardy and they couldn’t  care less about your “slippery slope” fantasies  - cuz they’re focusing on protecting kids that ACTUALLY need these protections. I for one applaud Apple for understanding that these are  massively serious issues AND that they can use their technology to actually make a difference for these tiny Victims. Good for you Apple. 
    It’s scrubs through your data, it is spying, even if the cause is benevolent. I value my privacy a lot, I understand that Apple doesn’t want to host any of the despicable crap on their servers. This is hyperbole, but this kind of thing makes Apple hardware less desirable for me, or I’ll stop using their cloud services.

    All in all, I think this kind of individuals and real criminals might already be prepared to go around this kind of steps, so it’s the rest of us who suffer the loss of privacy. Even if it’s an automatic process. There might still be false positives which leads to someone seeing something that is private and trust their discretion.

    I will research more into this and will make a more informed decision, their next MacBook Pros are what I’ve been looking to upgrade to. This was not a thing I wanted to consider when buying, and it sucks. :(

    PS: could you please provide links to places you’ve used to familiarize yourself on this?
    You’re wrong from the very first sentence. You should educate yourself before declaring you know what it’s doing and how it ostensibly affects your privacy. At least you asked for help, so I’ll provide a link I thought did a great job of explaining all of this in plain terms (in addition to AI’s great reporting, which I assume you already read and perhaps didn’t quite grasp):

    https://daringfireball.net/2021/08/apple_child_safety_initiatives_slippery_slope
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  • Reply 25 of 25
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,294member
    Hopefully Apple does a better job than the iPad Pro at minimizing mini LED blooming with these new MacBook Pro's. 
    From what I understand, the blooming problem was greatly exaggerated and barely visible even in the dark.

    The problem is that photos taken with HDR phone cameras would attempt to boost the bloom - so those posting blooming pictures knew that their cameras were exaggerating the blooming effect and posted 'em anyway for dramatic effect. Sort of a lie by omission.

    You'll never get rid of that blooming ... it's a side-effect of the technology.

    So you either have a little blooming with mini-LED or dim OLED panels which can be washed out in sunlight - at least until micro-LED is perfected.
    I do have the new iPad Pro with the mini-LED display. I don't think it's been exaggerated. It's very noticeable, especially in the dark. When you watch a movie, it bleeds on the top and bottom black bars. White text on a black background, it looks like there is a white box around them with the blooming. If you Google iPad Pro blooming and look at the images, those are a pretty accurate representation of what's happening. I don't think it's a lie at all. Sure it's possible there are some pictures out there with blooming enhanced due to HDR, but it really is noticeable and quite annoying. 

    I wouldn't say little, it's actually a lot of blooming. Look at these pictures. These are pretty spot on and not exaggerating the blooming.

    https://imgur.com/a/CZOInKs

    OLED is the way better option. Look at the iPhone's. They have OLED displays and there really aren't issues with sunlight washing out the displays. Unfortunately I don't think we will see micro-LED displays on iPhone's or iPad's anytime soon since the production cost is still expensive. 
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