Senate lawmakers introduce bill targeting Apple App Store, Google Play

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  • Reply 21 of 66
    designrdesignr Posts: 783member
    igorsky said:
    Tim Cook has explicitly stated that Apple will monitize its IP in other ways if it has to.
    What do you think that means?

  • Reply 22 of 66
    designrdesignr Posts: 783member
    p-dog said:
    rob53 said:

    The politicians are listening (being bought by) to loudmouth, greedy developers. I wish they would listen to users instead. If they did, we’d want a closed, secure, easy to purchase App Store. 
    They are also acting on behalf of Microsoft, who has been in the background trying to manipulate the situation the whole time, yet somehow a $2+ trillion market cap tech company not subject to any of this round of “regulation” or even minimal scrutiny.
    I've not been following this closely (or thinking about all the players and their motives). What does Microsoft have to gain here?
  • Reply 23 of 66
    bshankbshank Posts: 253member
    Here come the idiots…They ignore the monopoly Straus oil companies have enjoyed for 70 years and go after app market places. They ignore the monopoly status of cable providers, the consolidation of media markets and go after…app stores. 
    Yep, the only ISP in my area is Comcast. Not even Verizon, RCN, or AT&T which are other large ISPs. It’s crazy! Then Blumenthal saying that the argument about security is ingenuine?!?! The people like him who get hacked the most should not be allowed to make such negligent statements! Having more stores means more modes of the internet means more vectors to hack. I can’t believe how utterly stupid some of these lawmakers are 
    GeorgeBMacn2itivguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 66
    bshankbshank Posts: 253member
    lkrupp said:
    It’s just a bill, people. Don’t assume it will fly through Congress and be signed by the POTUS tomorrow. Now comes the good part, the behind the scenes cat and mouse game, the lobbyists handing out cash and gifts.

    But in the end, if this does pass, I think small developers will get crushed. Why would Apple spend any time or money promoting apps when they can’t profit from it? The big developers will fund their own marketing.
    Well said. That’s exactly what would happen if such a bill passes!
    edited August 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 66
    k2kw said:
    Epic must not be doing well in court.   Sounds like they're trying their luck by buying some politicians.
    Tech companies aren’t as loved as they and their stockholders think they are.
        Don't expect either of the Senators from California to sign on to the proposed legislation.
    bshankGeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 66
    Here come the idiots…They ignore the monopoly Straus oil companies have enjoyed for 70 years and go after app market places. They ignore the monopoly status of cable providers, the consolidation of media markets and go after…app stores. 
    Cable providers are typically regulated by the franchising authority of the local municipality which often gets a small cut of the cable provider’s revenues.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 66
    designrdesignr Posts: 783member
    Here come the idiots…They ignore the monopoly Straus oil companies have enjoyed for 70 years and go after app market places. They ignore the monopoly status of cable providers, the consolidation of media markets and go after…app stores. 
    Cable providers are typically regulated by the franchising authority of the local municipality which often gets a small cut of the cable provider’s revenues.
    The ability of local municipalities to grant such monopolies is something I'd love to see the federal government prohibit. The feds toss around the commerce clause for almost anything they want. This would seem to legitimately fit under that clause. Such a ban could go a long way to enable greater competition in this space.
    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 66
    danoxdanox Posts: 1,529member
    applguy said:
    Let’s assume alternative app stores comes to Apple. And also Apple adopts the license model that Epic uses for Unreal Engine. 

    Can an app be made for iOS devices without using Xcode?
    Yes but it doesn’t that well, Microsoft has a half ass development tool available.
    applguy
  • Reply 29 of 66
    danoxdanox Posts: 1,529member

    Apple should go back to the go old days when the cut was 70% for the middle men and 30% for the developer. Fun days not.
    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 66
    KTRKTR Posts: 259member
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    Don’t these politicians have more important things to deal with?
    and you wonder why January 6th  happen.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 66
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,089member
    If government forces additional App stores on Apple and Google, then by extension shouldn’t Apple or Google be allowed to maintain an App Store on XBox, or PlayStation then? Seems fair to me. 
    uraharabshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 66
    KTRKTR Posts: 259member
    I hope this back fires on the government.
    bshankuraharawatto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 66
    KTRKTR Posts: 259member
    And you wonder why people in other countries think americans are stupid. Im just saying
      
    uraharan2itivguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 66
    bshankbshank Posts: 253member
    KTR said:
    I hope this back fires on the government.
    They should be trying to utilize Apple as a national asset to strengthen security in government systems if Apple would be privy. Microsoft and Amazon definitely are, but these corporations are national treasures. Nothing is ever perfect, but these companies sure provide more value to Western values than they take.
    n2itivguykillroywatto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 66
    Well I’m sure Apple is working on other monetization methods. Maybe they make their developers subscribe to be featured on their App Store.  Developers can pay $500-$10,000-$15,000… etc based on installed base.  The more your app is downloaded the higher your subscription.  lol.  These politicians are idiots if they think they can try and control the pricing/ profitability of these corps. 

    bshank said:
    I hope Klobuchar and Blumenthal are lrepared to pay both Apple and Google for all they’ve invested into their app stores for developers over the years if they’re going to give Epic (a company that has no problem with competition) a big handout. How does success equate to forcing parts of these companies into being public utilities?

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 66
    applguyapplguy Posts: 230member
    hexclock said:
    If government forces additional App stores on Apple and Google, then by extension shouldn’t Apple or Google be allowed to maintain an App Store on XBox, or PlayStation then? Seems fair to me. 
    I could definitely see Epic, EA, Take-Two Interactive wanting a store on Xbox and PS. It’s not the developers problem that Sony and MS sell consoles at a loss (so Sony claims for the PS5 while posting record profits). Selling at a loss sounds anti-competitive (predatory pricing) and hurts consumers by making games more expensive as developers have to pay exorbitant fees (30%) to distribute through each consoles store. 
    elijahgwatto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 66
    2/3 Republicans erroneously believe the last election was fraudulent, despite 60+ cases challenging the election being thrown out for a complete lack of evidence.  Lawyers for Trump admitted they had no evidence of fraud.   

    Here is the relevance:     Because of that, republicans are seeking to blame tech companies. Tech companies are shutting down garbage conspiracy theories, and the republicans are mad about it.  

    It’s not about Epic.  Epic is nothing.   It’s about power.  And tech companies are undermining Republican power grabs.   So republicans are trying to shut tech down.  

    It’s as simple as that.    
    muthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMacbeowulfschmidtn2itivguykillroystourquewatto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 66
    applguy said:
    hexclock said:
    If government forces additional App stores on Apple and Google, then by extension shouldn’t Apple or Google be allowed to maintain an App Store on XBox, or PlayStation then? Seems fair to me. 
    I could definitely see Epic, EA, Take-Two Interactive wanting a store on Xbox and PS. It’s not the developers problem that Sony and MS sell consoles at a loss (so Sony claims for the PS5 while posting record profits). Selling at a loss sounds anti-competitive (predatory pricing) and hurts consumers by making games more expensive as developers have to pay exorbitant fees (30%) to distribute through each consoles store. 
    Sony has publicly stated that the higher end PS5 isn't selling at a loss anymore, so it became profitable in less than a year. Microsoft is the company that's pushing the "we never make a profit" line per their hardware. 

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/sony-says-499-ps5-no-longer-sells-at-a-loss

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/ps5-turning-profit-sony/
    applguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 66
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    designr said:
    Here come the idiots…They ignore the monopoly Straus oil companies have enjoyed for 70 years and go after app market places. They ignore the monopoly status of cable providers, the consolidation of media markets and go after…app stores. 
    Cable providers are typically regulated by the franchising authority of the local municipality which often gets a small cut of the cable provider’s revenues.
    The ability of local municipalities to grant such monopolies is something I'd love to see the federal government prohibit. The feds toss around the commerce clause for almost anything they want. This would seem to legitimately fit under that clause. Such a ban could go a long way to enable greater competition in this space.

    Prices were lower and service better back when local municipalities granted -- and regulated -- those monopolies.
    Then, the holy grail of privatized capitalist competition eliminated that and it's been mostly a mess since -- enough that the federal government is now talking about stepping in with billions of corporate welfare to straighten things back out. 
    elijahg
  • Reply 40 of 66
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    KTR said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    Don’t these politicians have more important things to deal with?
    and you wonder why January 6th  happen.

    No, we don't wonder about that.  The cause was hard to miss.
    elijahg
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