Apple reportedly blocks pay equity Slack channel amid rising tensions with employees

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in General Discussion edited August 2021
Apple has reportedly stopped attempts to create an internal Slack channel dedicated to the discussion of pay equity, with the measure coming as employees begin to organize around a number of claimed workplace issues.

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According to a Tuesday report from The Verge, Apple barred workers from creating and joining a Slack channel to discuss pay equity, saying that doing so would violate company policy.

"Slack channels are provided to conduct Apple business and must advance the work, deliverables, or mission of Apple departments and teams," an employee relations representative told employees, according to the report.

Apple's Slack regulations say that "channels for activities and hobbies not recognized as Apple Employee clubs or Diversity Network Associations (DNAs) aren't permitted and shouldn't be created," the report said. Pay equity is apparently not among Apple's set of cleared topics for discussion, and reports in August claimed management squashed at least three employee-run surveys on the topic.

The Verge notes other in-office Apple channels -- #fun-dogs, #gaming and #dad-jokes -- do not seem to meet the criteria outlined in the company's policy, but they remain accessible with thousands of active members.

"It sure is very convenient for Apple that these Terms of Use that they wrote are extremely useful for crushing free and open communication among employees," a source told the publication.

Apple's handling of internal Slack communications was previously scrutinized in July, when the company was reportedly mulling a crackdown on a channel that hosted a discussion on remote work issues. Boasting some 6,000 members, the channel was still up late last month, but its current status is unknown.

In addition to internal pushback over pay equity, Apple faces growing discontent from employees who claim the tech giant brushes workplace issues like harassment, discrimination and retaliation under the rug. An effort to surface those allegations, dubbed #AppleToo, launched earlier this month with help from both current and past employees.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 15
    Apple, the bastion of the left. Except when the leftist agenda starts interfering with those dirty, right-wing concepts such as profit.
    williamlondongeorgie01mike54chemengin1
  • Reply 2 of 15
    Many of these ‘woke’ ideas come from a naive view of the world. Many of us feel so entitled due to the immense successes of Western ideas.

    I’d say to let them have at it and then ruin Apple so that they can see for themselves their folly. But the reality is that these ideas have already been tried for many centuries and have failed every single time and people still don’t see. They just don’t want to see, because they’re so in love with their failed ideas that truth is irrelevant to them. It’s like the person who falls in love with someone bad for them and refuses to see the truth of it.
    edited August 2021 mike1
  • Reply 3 of 15
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member
    There are many issues regarding salaries that such issues don’t take into account. For one, the quality of workers has diminished considerably over the last two decade. The real way to handle such HR nightmares is to throw caution to the wind and have those who want to discuss these things publicly sign a release and have public performance reviews with comparisons to other employees with specific points of contention. 

    While there are surely some bad apples at Apple, they are likely quite a few slackers and trouble makers. I remember this guy my EX wife worked with that after 25 years figured out how to do nothing but read the paper all day but get paid his engineering salary. 
    spock1234
  • Reply 4 of 15
    And meanwhile Steve Cook just cashed out $750 MILLION in stock. Nothing to see here folks.  Move along folks. Pay is perfectly equitable at Apple. Capitalism is great when you are at the top of the food chain. 
    mike54chemengin1
  • Reply 5 of 15
    tonester said:
    And meanwhile Steve Cook just cashed out $750 MILLION in stock. Nothing to see here folks.  Move along folks. Pay is perfectly equitable at Apple. Capitalism is great when you are at the top of the food chain. 
    “Steve Cook”
  • Reply 6 of 15
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Blocking the channel looks weak and petty.
    chemengin1byronl
  • Reply 7 of 15
    tonester said:
    And meanwhile Steve Cook just cashed out $750 MILLION in stock. Nothing to see here folks.  Move along folks. Pay is perfectly equitable at Apple. Capitalism is great when you are at the top of the food chain. 
    Sound like someone has one of the 7 deadly sins, ENVY. In stead of talking about what others have done for themselves use that energy to create your own success, and remember when you get there do not commit the other deadly sin PRIDE.

    BTW, Tim Cook promised to give away all that money will you do the same.

    Also remember the US is the only place where anyone can go from the bottom to the top in a single generation. We have more people who have achieved more than their parents and if you have not, you need to look internal before saying it's everyone's else's fault. The US has plenty of examples of people from all background doing exactly this.
    edited September 2021 TheObannonFilebyronl
  • Reply 8 of 15
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,486moderator
    genovelle said:
    There are many issues regarding salaries that such issues don’t take into account.
    The one that almost never gets mentioned is that every salary is an individual negotiation like in a market. The employer makes an offer and the employee accepts or rejects it. These complaints that come after accepting the offer are about why a lower offer was made to some and not others but every single person was free to turn the offer down or ask for a higher amount. Accepting a salary offer is a choice an individual makes about how much they value themselves.

    Salary differences are common in the acting world where contracts are negotiated for millions per movie and then they argue that one actor was paid more. Well, they could have asked for more and they don't bother when people with the same identity get paid differently. In movies like Avengers, Robert Downey Jr got paid significantly more than his male co-stars for doing the same job:

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/robert-downey-jr-avengers-endgame-salary-1202156978/

    People typically don't talk about salaries because it leads to attacking other people when it's felt that their higher salary is undeserved and then it brings in discussions about identity politics and bias, most of which are irrelevant. As it's been pointed out many times in the past, if companies thought they could get better employees by deliberately paying people less based on their identity, they'd fill their offices with them.

    People these days get brainwashed into thinking that people who match a certain set of identity characteristics are responsible for their failures or suffering in the world and that it's not their own fault.

    https://www.mic.com/articles/154169/leaked-apple-emails-reveal-employees-complaints-about-sexist-toxic-work-environment

    "According to Claire*, "several people" who have quit, citing a "white, male, Christian, misogynist, sexist environment," were not given exit interviews. "Their departure is being written up as a positive attrition,"

    It's no wonder the companies are happy to see them leave. Generations of people today are being raised to hate each other based on politics and identity and when they get into the real world where they have to work together, they just vent this onto other people.

    The whole economic system is designed to keep everyone down. The purpose of that is to force people to fight each other for success under the assumption that the people who work the hardest or do the best rise to the top. It's like the Joker scene with the pool cue where he drops the weapon among the applicants to fight for the open position:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P10bC0Bxp20

    It's not a fair system for everyone because some people who are talented aren't fighters and don't have high self-esteem. Often the system rewards people who have more ego than talent. Overall though it's the most effective system in light of human nature of rewarding more talented workers.

    Apple has a responsibility as an employer to maintain a safe working environment for all their employees, which means protecting the privacy of employee information and from undeserved attacks towards people who negotiated better salaries.

    If people are unhappy with their salaries, the appropriate route to go is to communicate directly with their employer through the official channels. None of what we've seen from this same group of people who have been repeatedly stirring up trouble has anything to do with legitimate issues, these are career troublemakers as they've openly admitted online, some are looking to sue Apple for millions for wrongful dismissal and HR needs to start cleaning house wherever they can. It's inevitable with such a large company of over 100k employees that a few hundred bad seeds get in but they need to get a handle on this. I can't imagine that Steve Jobs would have let it get this far with public websites disparaging Apple.
    edited September 2021
  • Reply 9 of 15
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,442member
    Can't wait to see the pink slips start flying.
  • Reply 10 of 15
    crowley said:
    Blocking the channel looks weak and petty.
    It all depends, are people openly talking about how much they’re getting paid? Most of the jobs I’ve worked, you’re not really allowed to say to co-workers how much you get paid and if and how much of a raise you get is confidential information and can’t be shared.  It’s not petty at all.

    you can’t fault the company for shutting down forums where people are openly talking about confidential material or talking negatively about the company. That stuff would get shut down and fast by every other company 
  • Reply 11 of 15
    maestro64 said:
    tonester said:
    And meanwhile Steve Cook just cashed out $750 MILLION in stock. Nothing to see here folks.  Move along folks. Pay is perfectly equitable at Apple. Capitalism is great when you are at the top of the food chain. 
    Sound like someone has one of the 7 deadly sins, ENVY. In stead of talking about what others have done for themselves use that energy to create your own success, and remember when you get there do not commit the other deadly sin PRIDE.

    BTW, Tim Cook promised to give away all that money will you do the same.

    Also remember the US is the only place where anyone can got from bottom to the top is single generation. We have more people who have achieved Moe than their parents and off you have not you need to look internal before saying it's everyone's else's fault.

    Truth

    edited September 2021
  • Reply 12 of 15
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    Blocking the channel looks weak and petty.
    It all depends, are people openly talking about how much they’re getting paid? Most of the jobs I’ve worked, you’re not really allowed to say to co-workers how much you get paid and if and how much of a raise you get is confidential information and can’t be shared.  It’s not petty at all.

    you can’t fault the company for shutting down forums where people are openly talking about confidential material or talking negatively about the company. That stuff would get shut down and fast by every other company 
    Can't say that makes them look much better.  A few countries have made it illegal for companies to ban workplace discussion of salaries precisely because it's an anti-employee, anti-competitive policy.  Call me a snowflake if you want, but I think companies should listen to and support their staff, not censor and restrict them.
    IreneW
  • Reply 13 of 15
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Marvin said:
    genovelle said:
    There are many issues regarding salaries that such issues don’t take into account.
    The one that almost never gets mentioned is that every salary is an individual negotiation like in a market. The employer makes an offer and the employee accepts or rejects it. These complaints that come after accepting the offer are about why a lower offer was made to some and not others but every single person was free to turn the offer down or ask for a higher amount. Accepting a salary offer is a choice an individual makes about how much they value themselves.

    Salary differences are common in the acting world where contracts are negotiated for millions per movie and then they argue that one actor was paid more. Well, they could have asked for more and they don't bother when people with the same identity get paid differently. In movies like Avengers, Robert Downey Jr got paid significantly more than his male co-stars for doing the same job:

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/robert-downey-jr-avengers-endgame-salary-1202156978/

    People typically don't talk about salaries because it leads to attacking other people when it's felt that their higher salary is undeserved and then it brings in discussions about identity politics and bias, most of which are irrelevant. As it's been pointed out many times in the past, if companies thought they could get better employees by deliberately paying people less based on their identity, they'd fill their offices with them.

    People these days get brainwashed into thinking that people who match a certain set of identity characteristics are responsible for their failures or suffering in the world and that it's not their own fault.

    https://www.mic.com/articles/154169/leaked-apple-emails-reveal-employees-complaints-about-sexist-toxic-work-environment

    "According to Claire*, "several people" who have quit, citing a "white, male, Christian, misogynist, sexist environment," were not given exit interviews. "Their departure is being written up as a positive attrition,"

    It's no wonder the companies are happy to see them leave. Generations of people today are being raised to hate each other based on politics and identity and when they get into the real world where they have to work together, they just vent this onto other people.

    The whole economic system is designed to keep everyone down. The purpose of that is to force people to fight each other for success under the assumption that the people who work the hardest or do the best rise to the top. It's like the Joker scene with the pool cue where he drops the weapon among the applicants to fight for the open position:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P10bC0Bxp20

    It's not a fair system for everyone because some people who are talented aren't fighters and don't have high self-esteem. Often the system rewards people who have more ego than talent. Overall though it's the most effective system in light of human nature of rewarding more talented workers.

    Apple has a responsibility as an employer to maintain a safe working environment for all their employees, which means protecting the privacy of employee information and from undeserved attacks towards people who negotiated better salaries.

    If people are unhappy with their salaries, the appropriate route to go is to communicate directly with their employer through the official channels. None of what we've seen from this same group of people who have been repeatedly stirring up trouble has anything to do with legitimate issues, these are career troublemakers as they've openly admitted online, some are looking to sue Apple for millions for wrongful dismissal and HR needs to start cleaning house wherever they can. It's inevitable with such a large company of over 100k employees that a few hundred bad seeds get in but they need to get a handle on this. I can't imagine that Steve Jobs would have let it get this far with public websites disparaging Apple.
    I have been saying this for years, but the complainers do not like the facts and the reality it was fully on them they got paid less. They have plenty of opportunity to negotiate a better wage and failed to take the initiative. These are the same people who will go on Craig's list, Face Book market place or some other online buying system and offer people 50% of asking price of an item and then get upset the person will not agree to a lower price. They feel everyone should be paid the same for the same work but they should be allow to buy something of value less than what someone else paid for the item. 
  • Reply 14 of 15
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 3,051member
    Apple’s behaviour of late is becoming quite disturbing. 
    chemengin1
  • Reply 15 of 15
    Think Different* (but if you do, you should find somewhere else to work).
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