Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Wrong. Employers can require vaccination and neither HIPAA nor the ADA prevent that.
Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Wrong. Employers can require vaccination and neither HIPAA nor the ADA prevent that.
Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Wrong. Employers can require vaccination and neither HIPAA nor the ADA prevent that.
If you honestly don't know how people getting Covid affects the daily life of others yet, you will.
Coming from the same government agencies who also said you could not evict tenants who have not paid their rent because of pandemic. The supreme court has ruled the government agencies do not have legal authority to advise people they could not be evicted. Please read the 14 amendment on this topic equal protection and propery rights. I would advise you not to trust the HHS or EEOC they only put those statements out since they were told to do so they do no site any case law which back their position. My wife works in the recurring industry and she will tell you the EEOC never advise companies how to comply with the employment laws, they are only there to tell you when you did it wrong and when someone brings a case against a company. All of sudden they telling employers they can force people to get vaccinate. If a company listens and looses in court the company can not go after the EEOC for the bad advise, keep that in mind. It like people on the interet telling people how to live their life and when it all goes wrong its not their fault you listen to them.
I have plenty of training and education on what you can and cannot do with an employee and what you can and can not ask about their heath. I was taught by employment lawyers and law firms I would trust them over you or the bureaucrate in the government. Remember people in government never loose their jobs for being wrong. You can not ask anyone their medical status to get a job or keep the job, unless you can prove it is a requirement of the job. i.e health care people have to show they are vaccinated for lots of things since it is a requirement for the job. It is like asking someone are they pregnant or they have some medical condition like aids. There are other infectious diseases why aren't they asking about them. This list goes on, companies will have to prove it is a requirement of the job to require a vaccination. There is plenty of employement case law on this subject.
Ask yourself one simple question, If you think the government has the legal authority to force people to be vaccinate why haven't the government done so. Why didn't they do it when they did not hit the 70% vaccination in July. Why are they only encouraging companies to force vaccination. The government has already done things which they did not have authority to do like baring people from going to church and the courts have said the government has over step their authority. More and more examples of the government over stepping their authority relative to the pandemic is coming out.
Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Wrong. Employers can require vaccination and neither HIPAA nor the ADA prevent that.
If you honestly don't know how people getting Covid affects the daily life of others yet, you will.
Coming from the same government agencies who also said you could not evict tenants who have not paid their rent because of pandemic. The supreme court has ruled the government agencies do not have legal authority to advise people they could not be evicted. Please read the 14 amendment on this topic equal protection and propery rights. I would advise you not to trust the HHS or EEOC they only put those statements out since they were told to do so they do no site any case law which back their position. My wife works in the recurring industry and she will tell you the EEOC never advise companies how to comply with the employment laws, they are only there to tell you when you did it wrong and when someone brings a case against a company. All of sudden they telling employers they can force people to get vaccinate. If a company listens and looses in court the company can not go after the EEOC for the bad advise, keep that in mind. It like people on the interet telling people how to live their life and when it all goes wrong its not their fault you listen to them.
I have plenty of training and education on what you can and cannot do with an employee and what you can and can not ask about their heath. I was taught by employment lawyers and law firms I would trust them over you or the bureaucrate in the government. Remember people in government never loose their jobs for being wrong. You can not ask anyone their medical status to get a job or keep the job, unless you can prove it is a requirement of the job. i.e health care people have to show they are vaccinated for lots of things since it is a requirement for the job. It is like asking someone are they pregnant or they have some medical condition like aids. There are other infectious diseases why aren't they asking about them. This list goes on, companies will have to prove it is a requirement of the job to require a vaccination. There is plenty of employement case law on this subject.
Ask yourself one simple question, If you think the government has the legal authority to force people to be vaccinate why haven't the government done so. Why didn't they do it when they did not hit the 70% vaccination in July. Why are they only encouraging companies to force vaccination. The government has already done things which they did not have authority to do like baring people from going to church and the courts have said the government has over step their authority. More and more examples of the government over stepping their authority relative to the pandemic is coming out.
Sure. Your personal interpretation of the law carries so much more weight than the agencies charged with interpreting and carrying it out.
Kind of like how some guy on the internet is highly authoritative as he claims horse dewormer ‘really works’ at treating Covid, but the CDC and FDA are full of it when they verify that the Covid vaccines are safe and effective.
This idiocy is why hospitals are so full of unvaccinated people suffering and dying that those hospitals no longer have the capacity to serve and treat people with other healthcare needs, so now they can just suffer and die, too.
Obviously we have people on both sides some say people should be forced to get vaccinated and some that say it is personal choice. For those who are upset the Government/Companies has not forcing people to be vaccinated here is the reason why, this dates back to the 1920 100 years ago. When the government mandate the force sterilization of men and women, a "government mandate medical procedure." This went on for 50 yrs until the another Supreme court finally stop the practice.
The venerated Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the decision upholding the Virginia law that ended a woman's right to be a mother, by saying it was no different than vaccination:
"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Carrie Buck 'is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,' and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the Legislature and the specific findings of the Court obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and if they exist they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
Holmes cites this case about smallpox vaccine and even claims in this case if the vaccine may not be the best solution and may harm the person for various health reason the government still have right to force you to be vaccinate for community heath reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts there has been a lot of except to this law over the years, however, you notice they not willing to use this case law today.
At the Nuremberg trials, Nazi doctors literally cited Buck v. Bell in their own defense. this should make everyone sick.
Buck v. Bell has never been officially overturned. In 1978, however, one victim of forced sterilization sued the State of Oklahoma before the Supreme Court, and won. The decision resulting from Skinner v. Oklahoma created legal obstacles that effectively put a stop to mass compulsory sterilization.
Everyone in government know about these cases and they know they will go afoul of the law that prevents them from mandating anything medical.
Our government know they can not mandate anything, however, they are making it very hard for businesses to operating unless they mandate vaccination. Case are already making their ways through the court it going to take years but most likely Companies will also run up against the same laws and rights as the government. Notice no one in the media is talking about this and why the government is not mandting. Becuase they do not want you know you have legal rights to do what is in your best interest.
For those who think it is your right to tell others what to do, think again, you have no such right. nether does the government. However, you are free to do what you want to protect yourself and you are free not to associate with people you do not agree with. In this case if you feel you are at risk then get vaccinated and if you do not think that is enough wear the mask or the whole hazmat suit. Nothing I or anyone else is doing is interfering with your ability to protect yourself.
Also company may run afoul under HIPPA, they are not allow to ask anyone about their medial affairs, thus all these volunteer requirements, which are not really volunteer since they are holding your job over your head, most likely will not pass scrutiny once legally challenged.
It will not stop this current government from ignoring the laws of this land and your personal rights they did it with the rent eviction moratorium. They knew they had no legal ground to stop people from being evicted from property they do not own. But government went ahead and did it anyway, Supreme court set them straight, but they again tried to extend the illegal mandate and got told again to stop. This government is only interest in see what they take away from your verse preserving what is rightfully yours.
That is a BS argument. Vaccination mandates are not forced sterilization. Vaccination mandates have been upheld by the courts, including the current Supreme Court.
Also, HIPPA is not a thing. HIPAA refers to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Unless you are part of a healthcare entity, the private protections in HIPAA do not apply. HIPAA does not prevent your employer from asking if you are vaccinated, including asking for proof of it. Even if you are part of a healthcare entity, there are exemptions to restrictions on disclosure of health information as it relates to a public health crisis.
I am tired of BS misinformation being spread on this subject. This misinformation is killing people.
Sorry for my Typo, HIPAA applies to any company providing insurance, they are not allow to know anything about your medical records/condition IE healthcare provider can not provide any information about your health unless you volunteer it yourself thus the reason companies are asking people to self disclose. Again they can not mandate it, your heath matter are your private business and the ADA prohibit someone being fire due to their health as well as other laws. If a company wants proof of vaccination they need to request medical record and you have right not to share that with your imployeer. So it basically the honor system. How do I know this I worked with my companies HR Benfits person and had an issue with the insurance company and HR person made it very clear they were not allow to talk to the insurance company about my medical issue in my case my daughters case, unless I specifically gave permisison to share that specific informaiton, only then could the company know the specifics. HIPAA is broader then just health records being portable, the main part of the law is all records must be private and not to be seen by anyone who is not authorize to view those records.
You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
Wrong. Employers can require vaccination and neither HIPAA nor the ADA prevent that.
If you honestly don't know how people getting Covid affects the daily life of others yet, you will.
Coming from the same government agencies who also said you could not evict tenants who have not paid their rent because of pandemic. The supreme court has ruled the government agencies do not have legal authority to advise people they could not be evicted. Please read the 14 amendment on this topic equal protection and propery rights. I would advise you not to trust the HHS or EEOC they only put those statements out since they were told to do so they do no site any case law which back their position. My wife works in the recurring industry and she will tell you the EEOC never advise companies how to comply with the employment laws, they are only there to tell you when you did it wrong and when someone brings a case against a company. All of sudden they telling employers they can force people to get vaccinate. If a company listens and looses in court the company can not go after the EEOC for the bad advise, keep that in mind. It like people on the interet telling people how to live their life and when it all goes wrong its not their fault you listen to them.
I have plenty of training and education on what you can and cannot do with an employee and what you can and can not ask about their heath. I was taught by employment lawyers and law firms I would trust them over you or the bureaucrate in the government. Remember people in government never loose their jobs for being wrong. You can not ask anyone their medical status to get a job or keep the job, unless you can prove it is a requirement of the job. i.e health care people have to show they are vaccinated for lots of things since it is a requirement for the job. It is like asking someone are they pregnant or they have some medical condition like aids. There are other infectious diseases why aren't they asking about them. This list goes on, companies will have to prove it is a requirement of the job to require a vaccination. There is plenty of employement case law on this subject.
Ask yourself one simple question, If you think the government has the legal authority to force people to be vaccinate why haven't the government done so. Why didn't they do it when they did not hit the 70% vaccination in July. Why are they only encouraging companies to force vaccination. The government has already done things which they did not have authority to do like baring people from going to church and the courts have said the government has over step their authority. More and more examples of the government over stepping their authority relative to the pandemic is coming out.
Sure. Your personal interpretation of the law carries so much more weight than the agencies charged with interpreting and carrying it out.
Kind of like how some guy on the internet is highly authoritative as he claims horse dewormer ‘really works’ at treating Covid, but the CDC and FDA are full of it when they verify that the Covid vaccines are safe and effective.
This idiocy is why hospitals are so full of unvaccinated people suffering and dying that those hospitals no longer have the capacity to serve and treat people with other healthcare needs, so now they can just suffer and die, too.
It is not my interruption of laws, it is a lawyers who's jobs and gets paid big $ to know and fought and won cases against the government when they filed lawsuits. I will take their advise over any government agency. People who work for the government are not your best example of people who know things. Anyone who know anything gets better paying jobs in private sector. The government get what the private sector does not want. Plus I gave you number of examples where government agency said they had the authority and the court said they did not. Again no one gets fired in the government for being wrong, people in the private sector get fired all the time being wrong.
Try calling the IRS up some day and ask them about the tax laws and how to answer a question on your taxes, they will not help they tell you to consult a tax expert. But they will show up at your door when you did it wrong and will not explain what your did not wrong.
Second, you have people ended up in hospital, first, because you can not fix stupid, there are plenty of ways to avoid getting sick and people are making personal choose to do what they want. Welcome America, if you do not like this system go to China which is lock people in their homes. The other reason is we have large number of people who are not healthy and this is for a number or reason, the largest group are people who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own heath.
As far as I have heard not one with non-covid issue are dying because hospitals are over run, they were never over run, there is not data to back that up. However, last year when the government order everyone to stay home and all elective surgeries were stop and hospital let go staff and people were afraid to go to the hospital since the media scared everyone into thinking hospitals were filled with covid patient, their is evidence that some people died who would otherwise be alive.
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You obviously did not read the cases, the Buck V Bell relied on the vaccine law from 1902 Jacobson v Massachusetts as justification manidate governement medial procedure and over the years. It has been over written and found to be bad case laws as well as there as except to Jacobson v Massachusetts. If the government thought they had strong standing to mandate and force people they would have envoked Jacobson v Massachusetts and they have not becuase they can not. By the way there are whole communites which as not vaccinate in the country and one of the largest one is the Armish communities in various states. It not BS argument, it is the current state of the laws in this country, if you thing it should be different file a law suit saying your person freedom are infringe by someone not being mandated to be vaccinate see how far that goes.
The only thing killing people is their own personal responsibility to do rigth thing for themselves. Also what is killing people if their own person health habits but no one is talking about that, this is beyond people who are older and have naturally declining health. If you are going to manadite things which you think is killing people, then mandate no one drive that killed more people prior to this, why not manidate health eating since lots of people die every year from poor health due to poor eating, By the way this effect everyone too since we all pay higher cost becuase its killing people. Tell me how someone getting Covid affect your daily life beside the higher cost we will all now pay.
https://www.hhs.gov/answers/if-my-employer-requires-proof-of-my-covid-19-vaccination-status/index.html
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210601/eeoc-says-employers-can-require-covid-19-vaccination
If you honestly don't know how people getting Covid affects the daily life of others yet, you will.
someone has to stand up for the rights of the virus. That you DeSantis.
I have plenty of training and education on what you can and cannot do with an employee and what you can and can not ask about their heath. I was taught by employment lawyers and law firms I would trust them over you or the bureaucrate in the government. Remember people in government never loose their jobs for being wrong. You can not ask anyone their medical status to get a job or keep the job, unless you can prove it is a requirement of the job. i.e health care people have to show they are vaccinated for lots of things since it is a requirement for the job. It is like asking someone are they pregnant or they have some medical condition like aids. There are other infectious diseases why aren't they asking about them. This list goes on, companies will have to prove it is a requirement of the job to require a vaccination. There is plenty of employement case law on this subject.
Ask yourself one simple question, If you think the government has the legal authority to force people to be vaccinate why haven't the government done so. Why didn't they do it when they did not hit the 70% vaccination in July. Why are they only encouraging companies to force vaccination. The government has already done things which they did not have authority to do like baring people from going to church and the courts have said the government has over step their authority. More and more examples of the government over stepping their authority relative to the pandemic is coming out.
Try calling the IRS up some day and ask them about the tax laws and how to answer a question on your taxes, they will not help they tell you to consult a tax expert. But they will show up at your door when you did it wrong and will not explain what your did not wrong.
Second, you have people ended up in hospital, first, because you can not fix stupid, there are plenty of ways to avoid getting sick and people are making personal choose to do what they want. Welcome America, if you do not like this system go to China which is lock people in their homes. The other reason is we have large number of people who are not healthy and this is for a number or reason, the largest group are people who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own heath.
As far as I have heard not one with non-covid issue are dying because hospitals are over run, they were never over run, there is not data to back that up. However, last year when the government order everyone to stay home and all elective surgeries were stop and hospital let go staff and people were afraid to go to the hospital since the media scared everyone into thinking hospitals were filled with covid patient, their is evidence that some people died who would otherwise be alive.