Apple stock closes down 3% on news of Epic ruling

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in AAPL Investors edited September 2021
Apple's stock price dipped more than 3% at the end of trading Thursday after a mixed ruling was handed down in the Epic v. Apple court case.

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Shares of Apple closed down $5.10, or 3.3%, to hit $148.97 at the bell, the stock's worst performance in months. Trading peaked at $155.48 before suffering a precipitous decline shortly after 11 a.m. Eastern, around the time when news of the Epic case decision broke.

In a ruling today, U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers found Epic did not demonstrate that Apple's control of the App Store constitutes a monopoly, but did require tech giant to offer alternative payment methods for in-app purchases. The decision's wording leaves wiggle room for interpretation and people familiar with Apple's thinking believe developers will only be allowed to include links to outside payment options, not implement third-party systems in-app, CNET reports.

Judge Rogers in her ruling said Apple is "restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing" and (ii) communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app."

Apple called the decision a "resounding victory" despite the fact that it will precipitate one of the most impactful App Store changes in the platform's history. The company did, however, prevail on nine other counts. Epic said it will appeal.

The App Store contributes significantly to Apple's services revenue, which reached a new high of $17.5 billion for the third fiscal quarter of 2021. According to estimates from App Annie, Apple raked in nearly $73 billion from App Store purchases in 2020, while more conservative guesses put the number closer to $64 billion.

Today's slump pumps the brakes on momentum AAPL gained in two months. The stock was trending upward and hit number of new milestones over the past two weeks, most recently touching an all-time high on Tuesday.

Apple is up slightly in after-hours trading.

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  • Reply 1 of 12
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member
    Best buying opportunity…
    NYC362lkrupp
  • Reply 2 of 12
    rcfa said:
    Best buying opportunity…
    Truly is.

    Even if Apple were to see revenue fall let's say $3 billion from the outcome, in the scope of the almost $400 billion annual revenue, that's not even 1%.   With new products coming over the next few weeks, more and more people signing up for various services, that loss can easily be made up.

    Beyond that, if Apple really wanted to add to the bottom line, they could start their own search engine.  Instead of Google paying Apple billions to be the default search engine in Safari...and then making even more billions on that... Apple could create their own and eliminate the middleman (Google) and rake in even more money and it would be a lot more than whatever might be lost from the App Store fallout.

    Beyond that, even if developers give an alternative place to pay, even with a discount, most people aren't going to do it.  The convenience of the App Store, and not having to give a credit card number to a whole pile of other sites is going to keep a majority of people right were they are- in the App Store. 
  • Reply 3 of 12
    KTRKTR Posts: 280member
    I hope that ruling back fires, apple loyalist ( like me ), will only buy from the apple App Store and and apple payment system
  • Reply 4 of 12
    NYC362 said:
    rcfa said:
    Best buying opportunity…
    Truly is.

    Even if Apple were to see revenue fall let's say $3 billion from the outcome, in the scope of the almost $400 billion annual revenue, that's not even 1%.   With new products coming over the next few weeks, more and more people signing up for various services, that loss can easily be made up.

    Beyond that, if Apple really wanted to add to the bottom line, they could start their own search engine.  Instead of Google paying Apple billions to be the default search engine in Safari...and then making even more billions on that... Apple could create their own and eliminate the middleman (Google) and rake in even more money and it would be a lot more than whatever might be lost from the App Store fallout.

    Beyond that, even if developers give an alternative place to pay, even with a discount, most people aren't going to do it.  The convenience of the App Store, and not having to give a credit card number to a whole pile of other sites is going to keep a majority of people right were they are- in the App Store. 
    Here's a little secret. Apple already has a search engine, hiding in plain sight. We typically interface with it as "Siri" but it's also used on the backend for Maps, Apple Music and a slew of other technologies. What Apple doesn't provide is a web landing page or common API like Google or Microsoft provides. Why not? Well a few reasons but I think they can be distilled down to two major points. First, the Google search engine is the major driver of the company's revenue but they also have to collect piles and piles of data on us in order to make the search engine more effective. Apple could certainly do the same thing, but that would end the business model of "Apple Privacy" which they have staked out their reputation over many years.

    The other main reason is that Google is paying Apple billions not to do this. Oh sure, the contract states that Google is looking for default status on Apple products, but the wink-wink nudge-nudge reason is to make it worth Apple's while not to enter the market. I'm sure it's nowhere in the contract since that would instantly be used by the Department of Justice to go after Google for anti-trust.

  • Reply 5 of 12
    rcfa said:
    Best buying opportunity…
    Yep just bought more shares.
  • Reply 6 of 12
    polymniapolymnia Posts: 1,080member
    Don’t forget the post-event dip that often occurs. I’m thinking of buying into that double  dip if it happens. My advisor will roll his eyes, but AAPL is by far my best performing  investment.

    MRNA & BNTX are strong new holdings, though. If mRNA technology pans out anywhere near as big a thing as it’s been hyped those might be my big winners for the next 10 years. 
  • Reply 7 of 12
    My son purchased Rocket League items using my credit card in their private store.  Card number was immediately stolen and the charges started the very next day.   Let the dice roll on these independent payment methods.
    roundaboutnowchasm
  • Reply 8 of 12
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,386member
    I take issue with the wording of “mixed ruling.” It wasn’t at all — Apple has already implemented the one change the judge ordered, because of a Japanese ruling (it was changed worldwide even though the ruling was only for Japan). Yes they should have allowed alternate payment methods all along, but that ruling had noth8ng at all to do with Epic.

    Epic just plain lost, It is still not allowed on the App Store, Apple could in fact expand the ban to Unreal Engine (it won’t, but it has the court’s permission to do so), and now owes Apple substantial amounts of money. It’s a total loss for Sweeney, full stop.
  • Reply 9 of 12
    Apple is "restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing" 

    That reads to me that developers have to implement Apple in-app purchase, but can offer an alternative mechanism also.

    I also see nothing in the 185 page document stating that Apple cannot have a rule that states the price has to be the same across mechanisms.

    I do see in the document confirmation that Apple is still entitled to their commission even if a different payment mechanism is used.

    So any alternative payment mechanisms will result in more expense for developers, not less.

    Note how Epic are appealing but no news that Apple are. Massive win for Apple.
    edited September 2021
  • Reply 10 of 12
    KTR said:
    I hope that ruling back fires, apple loyalist ( like me ), will only buy from the apple App Store and and apple payment system
    I'll go with the cheapest option. 
  • Reply 11 of 12
    chasm said:
    I take issue with the wording of “mixed ruling.” It wasn’t at all — Apple has already implemented the one change the judge ordered, because of a Japanese ruling (it was changed worldwide even though the ruling was only for Japan). 

    That’s only for so-called “reader apps”. The injunction applies to all apps, including games. If the documents presented at the trial are anything to go by, games represent a stonking 97% of in-app purchase revenue for Apple. 

    Apple’s decision on those “reader apps” is barely a needle mover. 

    Notice how Apple’s fanfare has so far stayed quiet about the injunction.
  • Reply 12 of 12
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    rcfa said:
    Best buying opportunity…
    Hardly, it's in the same place it was at two weeks ago.
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