Apple's macOS Monterey causing problems with some USB-C hubs & docks

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    Sorted the Problem by Resetting PRAM

    (Double Reboot holding the P+R+Option+Command keys)

    Now it sees all hubs and drives... :)  
  • Reply 22 of 38
    killroykillroy Posts: 208member
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
  • Reply 23 of 38
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
  • Reply 24 of 38
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,645member
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    williamlondon
  • Reply 25 of 38
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 26 of 38
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    williamlondonkillroy
  • Reply 27 of 38
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    I'm not sure what you mean by "work together".  Because a port is physically USB-C, does not necessarily indicate it supports Thunderbolt 3/4 (both Thunderbolt 3 & Thunderbolt 4 use the same USB-C type of physical port.)

    williamlondon
  • Reply 28 of 38
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,143member
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.
    edited December 2021 killroy
  • Reply 29 of 38
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    williamlondonkillroy
  • Reply 30 of 38
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,143member
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    I'm not sure what you think you're telling me with the copy pasting random cable articles that you've found.  Apple don't own Thunderbolt 3, it is not "Apple's", and besides that you've got it backwards, USB 4 is partly based on Thunderbolt 3 (support is optional, not required), not the other way round, and it is only on the most recent Macs.  Also, neither USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 is the same as USB-C, because USB-C is a connector, not a protocol.  

    Your original assertion that "USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together" is still incorrect, even with all the flailing link pasting.
  • Reply 31 of 38
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    I'm not sure what you think you're telling me with the copy pasting random cable articles that you've found.  Apple don't own Thunderbolt 3, it is not "Apple's", and besides that you've got it backwards, USB 4 is partly based on Thunderbolt 3 (support is optional, not required), not the other way round, and it is only on the most recent Macs.  Also, neither USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 is the same as USB-C, because USB-C is a connector, not a protocol.  

    Your original assertion that "USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together" is still incorrect, even with all the flailing link pasting.
    If I say Thunderbolt 3 on Apple's MacBook Pro is USB4, does it make sense to you? lol
    edited December 2021 williamlondonkillroy
  • Reply 32 of 38
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    I'm not sure what you think you're telling me with the copy pasting random cable articles that you've found.  Apple don't own Thunderbolt 3, it is not "Apple's", and besides that you've got it backwards, USB 4 is partly based on Thunderbolt 3 (support is optional, not required), not the other way round, and it is only on the most recent Macs.  Also, neither USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 is the same as USB-C, because USB-C is a connector, not a protocol.  

    Your original assertion that "USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together" is still incorrect, even with all the flailing link pasting.
    If I say Thunderbolt 3 on Apple's MacBook Pro is USB4, does it make sense to you? lol
    Only the Apple Silicon based M1 (regular M1, Pro & Max) Macs have and support USB 4.  All other Apple products with Thunderbolt 3 do not have, or support USB 4.  Read the specs for USB 4 and educate yourself.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 33 of 38
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,143member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    I'm not sure what you think you're telling me with the copy pasting random cable articles that you've found.  Apple don't own Thunderbolt 3, it is not "Apple's", and besides that you've got it backwards, USB 4 is partly based on Thunderbolt 3 (support is optional, not required), not the other way round, and it is only on the most recent Macs.  Also, neither USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 is the same as USB-C, because USB-C is a connector, not a protocol.  

    Your original assertion that "USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together" is still incorrect, even with all the flailing link pasting.
    If I say Thunderbolt 3 on Apple's MacBook Pro is USB4, does it make sense to you? lol
    I get what you mean, but it's not really correct.  The MacBook Pro has three USB-C ports, which support the USB4 protocol, which includes Thunderbolt 3. To say Thunderbolt 3 is USB4 is not quite right, though it's close enough that most people probably don't care.
  • Reply 34 of 38
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,645member
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    USB C is a physical connector. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C. If a dock is a thunderbolt dock it is a USB C dock so simply saying 'it's about USB C' and not thunderbolt makes no sense. I assume you mean it's about USB 3.x, but that is separate from the connector. Happy to educate you.
  • Reply 35 of 38
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    USB C is a physical connector. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C. If a dock is a thunderbolt dock it is a USB C dock so simply saying 'it's about USB C' and not thunderbolt makes no sense. I assume you mean it's about USB 3.x, but that is separate from the connector. Happy to educate you.
    No!  That is incorrect.  A Thunderbolt 3 dock will not work on any type of USB only port.  USB 2.0  & 3.x (without Thunderbolt 3 capability) can be a USB-C type of connector.  Educate yourself:  USB-C
  • Reply 36 of 38
    nicholfd said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    If USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together, why make the physical connector identical? Error is prone to happen. The engineers don't know this basic common sense? 
    USB-C is a connector, Thunderbolt is a protocol.  They can work together, and every Thunderbolt port uses the USB-C connector and supports the USB protocol, but not every USB-C port supports Thunderbolt.  Those that do will be clearly marked with the Thunderbolt logo.  On Apple computers where every USB-C port is a Thunderbolt port it's absolutely fine, everything will work.

    Be careful about which USB-C cables you buy off the Internet

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/usb-c-cable-safety-what-to-buy
    Apple's Thunderbolt 3 is USB4. It does not have this problem.
    http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4
    I'm not sure what you think you're telling me with the copy pasting random cable articles that you've found.  Apple don't own Thunderbolt 3, it is not "Apple's", and besides that you've got it backwards, USB 4 is partly based on Thunderbolt 3 (support is optional, not required), not the other way round, and it is only on the most recent Macs.  Also, neither USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 is the same as USB-C, because USB-C is a connector, not a protocol.  

    Your original assertion that "USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 cannot work together" is still incorrect, even with all the flailing link pasting.
    If I say Thunderbolt 3 on Apple's MacBook Pro is USB4, does it make sense to you? lol
    Only the Apple Silicon based M1 (regular M1, Pro & Max) Macs have and support USB 4.  All other Apple products with Thunderbolt 3 do not have, or support USB 4.  Read the specs for USB 4 and educate yourself.
    MacBook Pro Apple Silicon has Thunderbolt 4 or USB-C 4. 
  • Reply 37 of 38
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,645member
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    MplsP said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    nicholfd said:
    killroy said:
    Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.
    And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

    It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.
    All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.
    Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense
    Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

    Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

    My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.
    USB C is a physical connector. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C. If a dock is a thunderbolt dock it is a USB C dock so simply saying 'it's about USB C' and not thunderbolt makes no sense. I assume you mean it's about USB 3.x, but that is separate from the connector. Happy to educate you.
    No!  That is incorrect.  A Thunderbolt 3 dock will not work on any type of USB only port.  USB 2.0  & 3.x (without Thunderbolt 3 capability) can be a USB-C type of connector.  Educate yourself:  USB-C
    But that's not what I said. Find me a thunderbolt 3 dock that is not USB C. You can't because USB C is the specified connector for Thunderbolt 3 (and 4.) Unfortunately you are having a hard time differentiating between the USB C connector and the USB protocol. It's ok - a lot of people are confused.

    Not add Thunderbolt 4 to the mix - Thunderbolt 4 includes USB 4 in the spec so all TB4 connections (including those in the M1 MBPs) are also USB 4 and USB C by definition. USB 4 is not the same as TB4, however, even though it is USB C. 

    This entire conversation is a wonderful example how how messed up these interfaces have become. USB has been around for 30 years, then they make a new connector and call it USB C, then they decide to allow Thunderbolt to use the USB C connector, but not all USB C connectors are thunderbolt. And then USB allows power delivery, but not all USB C ports can handle power delivery. And not all USB C cables can handle thunderbolt. And not all USB C cables can handle 100W of power. So in the end, we have one USB C connector that can do a lot of things but you never really know what any given connector does or means. 
    waveparticle
  • Reply 38 of 38
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,143member
    It is a bit of an incestuous web when Thunderbolt 3 includes USB3, and then USB4 includes Thunderbolt 3, and then Thunderbolt 4 includes USB4.  Makes it hard to talk about.
    muthuk_vanalingamMplsPkillroy
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