whatever... I don't even know where progmac got it from, maybe he is "in on it" to?
hahah. i picked it up at http://www.commondreams.com in their archive section. yes, all that is being read into this is certainly amazing or amusing, not sure which. i'm just pleased to be surrounded by people who think about stuff critically, whether I agree or not.
I like it when parents tell their kids what to stay, stick them on a platform to spout the parents beliefs and then use their kids to say crap like "See, even a kid recognizes this!"
It's crap, it's garbage, it's useless. I remember the same crap in East Texas with little kids talking about how they liked prayer in school.
Give me a break. Cheap propaganda.
About as genuine as a $50 Rolex.
That's just what I was thinking. In fact I'm guessing a 12 year old didn't even write this and will be shown to be an internet rumor.
I bet she gets to sing "This Land is Your Land" at assemblies. Our children are being brainwashed into good little Commies, one generation at a time. The fact that's is REALLY scary is that folks are passing this around and being complimentary about it.
Damn, I was going to agree with Groverat . . . I mean it is obviuouse: and the thing that's so ugly about it is the pretense that its from an innocent perspective: its false cutesiness . . . I think it was probably written by a "well intentioned" adult wanting to make a point about the simplicity of such an understanding . . .
but, it could also be from a coached youngster . . . either way, I doubt it was uncoached and just from her/his perspective . . .
when I was that young I was a pure Reaganite . . . I even went door to door handing out voter material and 'believed' it all. . . . course Dad was a Reagan corresponding fanatic . .
but then, thinking all that, Finboy comes along to pollute Grover's insight with this laughable 'commie pinko' talk . . . what ideological bafoonery!!!
It occurs to me as I read this post, that many people have criticized the girl's essay because in the essay she says that we are pledging allegiance to the flag, on not the republic for which it stands.
I have often been annoyed at how the term "People of Color" is not offensive and "colored people" is. Essentially they say the same thing, one has a dirty history and one is a fresh new take on an old thing. I have often expressed this to people, and asked "what's the big deal, it's just a term, why do we put so much weight behind these words" and I never got a good response until a couple weeks ago. My anthropology teacher said that it is not about the words themselve but their order because when you say "colored people" you are saying that the person is colored first, person second, like that them being a person is merely an attribute to their color. so logically when you say "people of color" you are saying, first and foremost the person is a person, on top of that they happen to be colored.
Using this logic in terms of the Pledge of allegiance, I can infer that a reason why this essay stands up against pledging to a flag, is because the flag comes first.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag...."
Putting the flag first like this, then pausing before mentioning the United States, is emphasizing the flag, Like The flag comes first, it just happens to be what represents this country. Whereas if the pledge said something like.
"I pledge allegiance to this land...."
then you would be first and foremost stating that you are pledging your allegiance to the country, on top of that which the flag represents.
So, taken that the essay was written by a 12-year old it makes perfect sense that she would argue that we over glorify the flag and not the country and it's people, because from her point of view, it's the flag that is getting most of the attention, especially since most kids pledge allegiance half-assed like:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag..of the united sta....mumble mumble mumble"
just something to think about.
I was going to mention that it is silly to assume that her mom told her daughter what to write, but then I noticed that comments are to be sent to her mom
when I was that young I was a pure Reaganite . . . I even went door to door handing out voter material and 'believed' it all. . . . course Dad was a Reagan corresponding fanatic . .
So all this conflict you're presenting is from some internal angst? A manifestation of some backlash, perhaps?
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into politically-correct, environmentally-friendly robots. Just because you don't see it (even when presented with something such as this) doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
So all this conflict you're presenting is from some internal angst? A manifestation of some backlash, perhaps?
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into politically-correct, environmentally-friendly robots. Just because you don't see it (even when presented with something such as this) doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into right-wing, reactionary corporate minded robots. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
And no, I outgrew reaction along time ago . . . now my thinking is based on measured critical thought and years of experience
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into right-wing, reactionary corporate minded robots. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
And no, I outgrew reaction along time ago . . . now my thinking is based on measured critical thought and years of experience
I think that the girl wrote herself the essay. The allegiance to the flag certainly is coming from her : she did not understand that it's a symbol, and not just a piece of clothes.
The others comments are the mirror of her parents opinions melded with typical good sentiments of a pre-teen.
I am not an expert in english and will not jugde the form, i 'll just say that my english is under the one of a 6 th grade. Presenting this essay has a good piece of litterature is good, saying it's a masterpiece political essay is an other thing.
The sad thing is that her mother publish her essay on internet. Parents who push her childs in public are suspect for me. My elder daughter is pretty good for her age for drawing, but i will never push her in public. She is a child, she had to grow. When she will get older, and she has the age to find her way, it will be time for me to push her, not now.
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Poor girl.
Look, i don't know--it reads a little canned, but I knew some petty sharp 6th graders in my time. So I couldn't say.
Originally posted by New
whatever... I don't even know where progmac got it from, maybe he is "in on it" to?
hahah. i picked it up at http://www.commondreams.com in their archive section. yes, all that is being read into this is certainly amazing or amusing, not sure which. i'm just pleased to be surrounded by people who think about stuff critically, whether I agree or not.
That explains why it sounds like a parent wrote it.
Originally posted by groverat
I like it when parents tell their kids what to stay, stick them on a platform to spout the parents beliefs and then use their kids to say crap like "See, even a kid recognizes this!"
It's crap, it's garbage, it's useless. I remember the same crap in East Texas with little kids talking about how they liked prayer in school.
Give me a break. Cheap propaganda.
About as genuine as a $50 Rolex.
That's just what I was thinking. In fact I'm guessing a 12 year old didn't even write this and will be shown to be an internet rumor.
Originally posted by finboy
Yup.
I bet she gets to sing "This Land is Your Land" at assemblies. Our children are being brainwashed into good little Commies, one generation at a time. The fact that's is REALLY scary is that folks are passing this around and being complimentary about it.
Damn, I was going to agree with Groverat . . . I mean it is obviuouse: and the thing that's so ugly about it is the pretense that its from an innocent perspective: its false cutesiness . . . I think it was probably written by a "well intentioned" adult wanting to make a point about the simplicity of such an understanding . . .
but, it could also be from a coached youngster . . . either way, I doubt it was uncoached and just from her/his perspective . . .
when I was that young I was a pure Reaganite . . . I even went door to door handing out voter material and 'believed' it all. . . . course Dad was a Reagan corresponding fanatic . .
but then, thinking all that, Finboy comes along to pollute Grover's insight with this laughable 'commie pinko' talk . . . what ideological bafoonery!!!
I have often been annoyed at how the term "People of Color" is not offensive and "colored people" is. Essentially they say the same thing, one has a dirty history and one is a fresh new take on an old thing. I have often expressed this to people, and asked "what's the big deal, it's just a term, why do we put so much weight behind these words" and I never got a good response until a couple weeks ago. My anthropology teacher said that it is not about the words themselve but their order because when you say "colored people" you are saying that the person is colored first, person second, like that them being a person is merely an attribute to their color. so logically when you say "people of color" you are saying, first and foremost the person is a person, on top of that they happen to be colored.
Using this logic in terms of the Pledge of allegiance, I can infer that a reason why this essay stands up against pledging to a flag, is because the flag comes first.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag...."
Putting the flag first like this, then pausing before mentioning the United States, is emphasizing the flag, Like The flag comes first, it just happens to be what represents this country. Whereas if the pledge said something like.
"I pledge allegiance to this land...."
then you would be first and foremost stating that you are pledging your allegiance to the country, on top of that which the flag represents.
So, taken that the essay was written by a 12-year old it makes perfect sense that she would argue that we over glorify the flag and not the country and it's people, because from her point of view, it's the flag that is getting most of the attention, especially since most kids pledge allegiance half-assed like:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag..of the united sta....mumble mumble mumble"
just something to think about.
I was going to mention that it is silly to assume that her mom told her daughter what to write, but then I noticed that comments are to be sent to her mom
...oh well.
Originally posted by pfflam
when I was that young I was a pure Reaganite . . . I even went door to door handing out voter material and 'believed' it all. . . . course Dad was a Reagan corresponding fanatic . .
So all this conflict you're presenting is from some internal angst? A manifestation of some backlash, perhaps?
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into politically-correct, environmentally-friendly robots. Just because you don't see it (even when presented with something such as this) doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
Originally posted by finboy
So all this conflict you're presenting is from some internal angst? A manifestation of some backlash, perhaps?
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into politically-correct, environmentally-friendly robots. Just because you don't see it (even when presented with something such as this) doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into right-wing, reactionary corporate minded robots. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
And no, I outgrew reaction along time ago . . . now my thinking is based on measured critical thought and years of experience
Originally posted by pfflam
Schools (and some braindead parents, I guess) are turning kids into right-wing, reactionary corporate minded robots. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
And no, I outgrew reaction along time ago . . . now my thinking is based on measured critical thought and years of experience
Uh oh. Taking back the E-word from conservatives!
The others comments are the mirror of her parents opinions melded with typical good sentiments of a pre-teen.
I am not an expert in english and will not jugde the form, i 'll just say that my english is under the one of a 6 th grade. Presenting this essay has a good piece of litterature is good, saying it's a masterpiece political essay is an other thing.
The sad thing is that her mother publish her essay on internet. Parents who push her childs in public are suspect for me. My elder daughter is pretty good for her age for drawing, but i will never push her in public. She is a child, she had to grow. When she will get older, and she has the age to find her way, it will be time for me to push her, not now.