Anilu_777 said: There were reports of AirTags on Etsy or eBay with disabled speakers. Apple needs to make it more difficult to hack the AirTags but bad actors will always find a way.
I'm not sue what Apple could do here - armouring up the speaker so you can't damage it isn't feasible. Conceivably they could detect if the speaker has been cut, but not if it has been punctured. Adding a mic to confirm the sound can play is about the only method that would work, but that would increase complexity and costs.
Anilu_777 said: There were reports of AirTags on Etsy or eBay with disabled speakers. Apple needs to make it more difficult to hack the AirTags but bad actors will always find a way.
I'm not sue what Apple could do here - armouring up the speaker so you can't damage it isn't feasible. Conceivably they could detect if the speaker has been cut, but not if it has been punctured. Adding a mic to confirm the sound can play is about the only method that would work, but that would increase complexity and costs.
They could add a microphone to the AirTag so that it can do a self-test of the speaker's volume.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
But, the main step has yet to be taken: Once the offending AirTag is found, make the AppleID (and the contact info -- including the IMEI number of the person's phone) tied to the AirTag available to police via a warrant -- so the police can stalk the stalker.
Are you saying that Apple won't provide this information right now if a warrant is issued?
Are you sure that the current hardware design even allows this functionality? Apple was very careful to design the system so that even "not even Apple knows the location of your AirTag." (https://www.apple.com/ca/airtag/)
But, the main step has yet to be taken: Once the offending AirTag is found, make the AppleID (and the contact info -- including the IMEI number of the person's phone) tied to the AirTag available to police via a warrant -- so the police can stalk the stalker.
Are you saying that Apple won't provide this information right now if a warrant is issued?
Are you sure that the current hardware design even allows this functionality? Apple was very careful to design the system so that even "not even Apple knows the location of your AirTag." (https://www.apple.com/ca/airtag/)
Let me get this straight, your first question implies that Apple are already doing this, while your second implies that it isn't possible?
I don't know how anyone has any patience for your weaselling.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: We are one headline away from AirTags being permanently discontinued. The constant barrage of STALKING, STALKING and more STALKING news will absolutely chip away at Apple's support for this product. But I hope I'm wrong...
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.They
Will these posts ever stop? Apple, very clearly, announced from day 1 that AirTags were not meant to track stolen items.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Now think of the other side of the coin. How do you separate an AirTag with a travel history that is now being used as a stalking tracker that isn't notifying the stalkee of this tracker on them? Again, Apple can't have it both ways so they've opted for the solution that simply allows for finding misplaced items.
But, the main step has yet to be taken: Once the offending AirTag is found, make the AppleID (and the contact info -- including the IMEI number of the person's phone) tied to the AirTag available to police via a warrant -- so the police can stalk the stalker.
Are you saying that Apple won't provide this information right now if a warrant is issued?
Are you sure that the current hardware design even allows this functionality? Apple was very careful to design the system so that even "not even Apple knows the location of your AirTag." (https://www.apple.com/ca/airtag/)
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Congrats @mjtomlin ;! You’ve found parts of the asymmetry between the anti-theft case and the stalker case. Which is a thousand times more than grumpy farts like @fastasleep ;and @crowley ;managed to.
People with limited intelligence still have no clue of what makes up a “beautiful” solution …or what clever algorithms could be executing behind the scenes — like the one you suggest here.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Congrats @mjtomlin ;! You’ve found parts of the asymmetry between the anti-theft case and the stalker case. Which is a thousand times more than grumpy farts like @fastasleep and@crowley managed to.
People with limited intelligence still have no clue of what makes up a “beautiful” solution …or what clever algorithms could be executing behind the scenes — like the one you suggest here.
Funny how you wait for someone else to come up with something before jumping on board. No suggestions from you, just vague finger waving.
I don't doubt that Apple can make improvements, I just doubt that you have any ideas about them. Twerps claiming without evidence to be smarter than Apple and everyone else crop up here every few months. They vanish pretty soon when they realise that no one believes their bullshit. That you're already so salty about two of us calling you out says everything that needs to be said.
Go use those imaginary ideas to make a million and stop bothering us with your bragging.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Congrats @mjtomlin ;! You’ve found parts of the asymmetry between the anti-theft case and the stalker case. Which is a thousand times more than grumpy farts like @fastasleep ;and @crowley ;managed to.
People with limited intelligence still have no clue of what makes up a “beautiful” solution …or what clever algorithms could be executing behind the scenes — like the one you suggest here.
Okay Mr. Galaxy Brain, glad you thought of everything for us smoothbrains over here. Good job! 🤡
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.
That was never their intent and Apple won't offer AirTags for stolen items because you can't both not inform a thief and keep anti-stalking features enabled at the same time.
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
Congrats @mjtomlin ;! You’ve found parts of the asymmetry between the anti-theft case and the stalker case. Which is a thousand times more than grumpy farts like @fastasleep and@crowley managed to.
People with limited intelligence still have no clue of what makes up a “beautiful” solution …or what clever algorithms could be executing behind the scenes — like the one you suggest here.
Funny how you wait for someone else to come up with something before jumping on board. No suggestions from you, just vague finger waving.
I don't doubt that Apple can make improvements, I just doubt that you have any ideas about them. Twerps claiming without evidence to be smarter than Apple and everyone else crop up here every few months. They vanish pretty soon when they realise that no one believes their bullshit. That you're already so salty about two of us calling you out says everything that needs to be said.
Go use those imaginary ideas to make a million and stop bothering us with your bragging.
Not only that, but they claimed that Apple took an unsolicited product suggestion which is absolutely against Apple legal policy as everyone knows, even us grumpy farts.
I have to say I'm disappointed by the click-baity and super inaccurate keyword-laden title of the embedded video. That's the sort of crap I'd expect to see from lowlifes like Linus, not AI.
I understand the need to grab eyeballs for the video, but I think you've gone a step too far there. As a reader, that grossly inaccurate and hyperbolic title really puts me off watching your videos. The AirTags are not about to be "cancelled." Don't be ridiculous.
Anilu_777 said: There were reports of AirTags on Etsy or eBay with disabled speakers. Apple needs to make it more difficult to hack the AirTags but bad actors will always find a way.
I'm not sue what Apple could do here - armouring up the speaker so you can't damage it isn't feasible. Conceivably they could detect if the speaker has been cut, but not if it has been punctured. Adding a mic to confirm the sound can play is about the only method that would work, but that would increase complexity and costs.
They could add a microphone to the AirTag so that it can do a self-test of the speaker's volume.
Then hack the mic to record audio and send it back to the phone.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.They
Will these posts ever stop? Apple, very clearly, announced from day 1 that AirTags were not meant to track stolen items.
Will people ever stop making unfounded claims? I don't recall Apple ever announcing that, let alone clearly announcing it. Even today. AirTags are clearly advertised as helping find lost items but nothing more than that. But people soon found them to be useful for finding stolen property and bought many for that purpose. Several stories of stolen property recovered popularized the use of AirTags to protect property. Apple has since weakened that application. The software updates weaken the case for buying/using. Nobody said Apple would be liable for false advertising though. You should not be upset at someone who points out that an AirTag user should perhaps rethink their reliance on AirTags.
Sounds like AirTags won't be nearly as useful for tracking stolen items--they may announce their presence and provide their location much too quickly and readily.They
Will these posts ever stop? Apple, very clearly, announced from day 1 that AirTags were not meant to track stolen items.
Will people ever stop making unfounded claims? I don't recall Apple ever announcing that, let alone clearly announcing it. Even today. AirTags are clearly advertised as helping find lost items but nothing more than that. But people soon found them to be useful for finding stolen property and bought many for that purpose. Several stories of stolen property recovered popularized the use of AirTags to protect property. Apple has since weakened that application. The software updates weaken the case for buying/using. Nobody said Apple would be liable for false advertising though. You should not be upset at someone who points out that an AirTag user should perhaps rethink their reliance on AirTags.
If these people just go check out the event in which it was announced they'd see Apple never once mentions or shows anything other than usage while misplacing an item.
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Are you sure that the current hardware design even allows this functionality? Apple was very careful to design the system so that even "not even Apple knows the location of your AirTag." (https://www.apple.com/ca/airtag/)
I don't know how anyone has any patience for your weaselling.
Or, conversely, we'll get stories like this: https://9to5mac.com/2022/02/11/airtag-safety-vs-tile/
Actually you probably could by learning travel, location and proximity habits.
An AirTag without a “travel” history, that is traveling around without its registered owner could be considered a “stalking” device… any nearby devices could then be notified.
An AirTag with a history that is all of a sudden moving around without its registered owner, could be considered “stolen”… in this case nearby devices would not be notified.
I think you answered your own question.
You’ve found parts of the asymmetry between the anti-theft case and the stalker case. Which is a thousand times more than grumpy farts like @fastasleep ;and @crowley ;managed to.
People with limited intelligence still have no clue of what makes up a “beautiful” solution …or what clever algorithms could be executing behind the scenes — like the one you suggest here.
I don't doubt that Apple can make improvements, I just doubt that you have any ideas about them. Twerps claiming without evidence to be smarter than Apple and everyone else crop up here every few months. They vanish pretty soon when they realise that no one believes their bullshit. That you're already so salty about two of us calling you out says everything that needs to be said.
Go use those imaginary ideas to make a million and stop bothering us with your bragging.