I'm all for people on lower end unionising to gain leverage in discussions. Having a decent wage keeps a worker more motivated to do their job too. I guess it's store managers that get the 30$ or more and basic seller gets the minimum.
I like my job and what I do, but if my compensation lags and leaves me unsatisfied that it covers my efforts I'd start looking for better options. Taking care of workers just makes them more loyal.
That being said, unionising is not necessarily a trouble-free option.
PS: the mathematician in me cringes every time the short million system is used. It's billiard $ not trillion $.
I think you mean billion. A billiard is 10^15, which is a quadrillion in the short scale.
Great catch, my mistake! Should’ve been more careful with my numbers before posting. 🙃 10^12 is exactly what I meant, not 10^15. So Billion indeed, another reason why use only one system (long one please). Where I live the long scale is used.
I can find 100 people in a week who will happily work for Apple retail and won’t unionize.
Indeed but that means u will fire the 100 that wanted a union. Tough luck on that, firing on the grounds of unionising is illegal and punishable. However you could be naughty and fire them on other grounds or get them to quit - if you have no ethical qualms
The bigger picture is that hyperinflation is probably on its way boys and girls
Apple doesn't have to fire them on the grounds for trying to unionize....any employer can find ways to get rid of someone.
I'm all for people on lower end unionising to gain leverage in discussions. Having a decent wage keeps a worker more motivated to do their job too. I guess it's store managers that get the 30$ or more and basic seller gets the minimum.
I like my job and what I do, but if my compensation lags and leaves me unsatisfied that it covers my efforts I'd start looking for better options. Taking care of workers just makes them more loyal.
That being said, unionising is not necessarily a trouble-free option.
PS: the mathematician in me cringes every time the short million system is used. It's billiard $ not trillion $.
I think you mean billion. A billiard is 10^15, which is a quadrillion in the short scale.
Great catch, my mistake! Should’ve been more careful with my numbers before posting. 🙃 10^12 is exactly what I meant, not 10^15. So Billion indeed, another reason why use only one system (long one please). Where I live the long scale is used.
I believe the short scale is used in all English speaking territories. I think you're just going to have to lump it with respect to Apple.
To think the 40 hour work week as we know it in the United States is only about 108 years old….
“On 5 January 1914 the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day (adjusted for inflation: $129.55 as of 2020) and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit.
In the summer of 1915, amid increased labor demand for World War I, a series of strikes demanding the eight-hour day began in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They were so successful that they spread throughout the Northeast.
The United States Adamson Act in 1916 established an eight-hour day, with additional pay for overtime, for railroad workers. This was the first federal law that regulated the hours of workers in private companies. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act in Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917).
The eight-hour day might have been realized for many working people in the US in 1937, when what became the Fair Labor Standards Act (29 U.S. Code Chapter 8) was first proposed under the New Deal. As enacted, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented about twenty percent of the US labor force. In those industries, it set the maximum workweek at 40 hours, but provided that employees working beyond 40 hours a week would receive additional overtime bonus salaries.”
I would move to a performance based commission system that uses sales and customer satisfaction scores for each individual and their store to directly determine their pay.
Do poorly you get minimum wage, average performance gets about where they are now, an excellent score gets a bonus based on the profitability of their store paid out quarterly.
And that kind of negotiating is exactly what a Union can help with.
Speaking of the union member myself, no it won’t. Unions hate performance pay.
To think the 40 hour work week as we know it in the United States is only about 108 years old….
“On 5 January 1914 the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day (adjusted for inflation: $129.55 as of 2020) and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit.
In the summer of 1915, amid increased labor demand for World War I, a series of strikes demanding the eight-hour day began in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They were so successful that they spread throughout the Northeast.
The United States Adamson Act in 1916 established an eight-hour day, with additional pay for overtime, for railroad workers. This was the first federal law that regulated the hours of workers in private companies. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act in Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917).
The eight-hour day might have been realized for many working people in the US in 1937, when what became the Fair Labor Standards Act (29 U.S. Code Chapter 8) was first proposed under the New Deal. As enacted, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented about twenty percent of the US labor force. In those industries, it set the maximum workweek at 40 hours, but provided that employees working beyond 40 hours a week would receive additional overtime bonus salaries.”
People forget Unions are the main reason for most of the benefits all workers get in the US. The fight started not long after 1776….
And not a Communist in sight…..
Unions had their time and their place. I’m in one now because I essentially have to be. Long story. But the unions today are corrupt and mostly unnecessary. The auto workers unions nearly destroyed the Big Three by demanding unbelievable contracts and benefits., which were granted when times were good.
Prior to the financial crisis, General Motors had become a healthcare and retirement company that also made cars. Given the labor market today, there is no reason to have unions in almost any sector.
Apple doesn't have to fire them on the grounds for trying to unionize....any employer can find ways to get rid of someone.
Yes indeed they can and they do.
But No, not all employers will do that. Mostly those with low moral values. I assume you know that usually it is sociopaths who can rationalise detestable actions towards other people just for personal gain and/or money. They are usually successful in the business world or in positions of power.
I repeat that what we are talking about is extremely large and cash rich companies bending the law to make a few bucks (comparatively speaking)
There was an article by the economist that I read a while back on this topic (not this one but close enough)
I can find 100 people in a week who will happily work for Apple retail and won’t unionize.
No one joins a company wanting to start a union. That comes about because of what the company does after they start working. So yeah, of course you could find a hundred a week that aren't interested in organizing BEFORE they start. That's kinda' how it works. Unions are a response.
Come on insignificant Apple workers, don't worry about your stagnating wages, you should experience the immense joy by voting yes to Tim Cook's $99000000 package for the year.
Tim deserve every penny
these Apple retail workers should go work for another retailer for a week and they will all beg to come back to Apple
Deserves got nothing to do with it. You get paid what you are capable of negotiating for. Period.
To think the 40 hour work week as we know it in the United States is only about 108 years old….
“On 5 January 1914 the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day (adjusted for inflation: $129.55 as of 2020) and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit.
In the summer of 1915, amid increased labor demand for World War I, a series of strikes demanding the eight-hour day began in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They were so successful that they spread throughout the Northeast.
The United States Adamson Act in 1916 established an eight-hour day, with additional pay for overtime, for railroad workers. This was the first federal law that regulated the hours of workers in private companies. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act in Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917).
The eight-hour day might have been realized for many working people in the US in 1937, when what became the Fair Labor Standards Act (29 U.S. Code Chapter 8) was first proposed under the New Deal. As enacted, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented about twenty percent of the US labor force. In those industries, it set the maximum workweek at 40 hours, but provided that employees working beyond 40 hours a week would receive additional overtime bonus salaries.”
People forget Unions are the main reason for most of the benefits all workers get in the US. The fight started not long after 1776….
And not a Communist in sight…..
That’s an illogical statement. There’s nothing magical or preferable about 40 hours. Some of us would prefer to work longer or shorter. Not everyone is a blue collar schlub.
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“On 5 January 1914 the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day (adjusted for inflation: $129.55 as of 2020) and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit.
In the summer of 1915, amid increased labor demand for World War I, a series of strikes demanding the eight-hour day began in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They were so successful that they spread throughout the Northeast. The United States Adamson Act in 1916 established an eight-hour day, with additional pay for overtime, for railroad workers. This was the first federal law that regulated the hours of workers in private companies. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act in Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917).
The eight-hour day might have been realized for many working people in the US in 1937, when what became the Fair Labor Standards Act (29 U.S. Code Chapter 8) was first proposed under the New Deal. As enacted, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented about twenty percent of the US labor force. In those industries, it set the maximum workweek at 40 hours, but provided that employees working beyond 40 hours a week would receive additional overtime bonus salaries.”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day#United_States
People forget Unions are the main reason for most of the benefits all workers get in the US. The fight started not long after 1776….
And not a Communist in sight…..