Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Right, kill the first and only product on the market with consumer facing anti-stalking capabilities. Brilliant solution. Why couldn't anyone else think of that?
Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Right, kill the first and only product on the market with consumer facing anti-stalking capabilities. Brilliant solution. Why couldn't anyone else think of that?
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There are next to no other products on the market that offer such an effective stalking opportunity. Tile and the like don't have the network. GPS trackers are bulky and expensive.
The anti-stalking capabilities are worth a lot less to users with a non-Apple smartphone. And there are no anti-stalking capabilities built into iOS to cover the non-Apple devices. It's a massive disconnect.
So fix the problem, then get back to the business of making money. Apple are in a great position to do the right thing, but they've started the wrong way round.
As far as Google goes, your information is for sale from them, so any stalker can pose as a merchant and purchase the info from Google if you know how.
Google do not sell your GPS coordinates to merchants, don't be ridiculous. Google sell targeted ad space.
I never said that they do. They do sell enough of your information to deduce where you are. In a lot of domestic abuse cases, the abuser uses that information to find out where the victim has moved to. Some victims have disposed of their smartphones and bought generic cellphones with a new number. My point was no tech company has all the answers and they should create a consortium to help combat stalking. The carriers are the first step in securing your information. They control a lot of your information that can show where you are and if you are smart enough to fool a support person, you can get them to give you the personal information you need to acquire account access. Someone should make an app for a smartphone like little snitch that will show you what is operating around you and in what capacity, ie wifi or bluetooth or GPS, and help identify what that device is.
This article’s headline is misleading and click-baitey, and AI should change it.
Reading the actual article reveals the truth: stalking has always been a major problem for (mostly) women, and the reason you haven’t heard about it much until one company (Apple) put out a tracking device that actually contains anti-stalking features is because:
A. Police rarely take reports of stalking very seriously until after a tragedy/violence has occurred; B. The onus is ALWAYS on the victim to “prove” that this is happening, which Apple’s device (alone until extremely recently) makes possible;
C. Devices like AirTags are REVEALING an issue that has been an issue for many decades. There are all kinds of alternative methods (GPS trackers, Tile and Samsung that have little-to-no stalking protections, and good old-fashioned detective work) to stalk people. It’s also revealing how poorly authorities have been dealing with this issue up to now.
D. More stalkers are getting CAUGHT thanks to AirTags. Nobody wants to be stalked, but I think if you are such a victim you’d be happier if your stalker was dumb enough to use an Apple device to do it (which could significantly aid in getting them prosecuted) than not.
As far as Google goes, your information is for sale from them, so any stalker can pose as a merchant and purchase the info from Google if you know how.
Google do not sell your GPS coordinates to merchants, don't be ridiculous. Google sell targeted ad space.
I never said that they do. They do sell enough of your information to deduce where you are. In a lot of domestic abuse cases, the abuser uses that information to find out where the victim has moved to. Some victims have disposed of their smartphones and bought generic cellphones with a new number. My point was no tech company has all the answers and they should create a consortium to help combat stalking. The carriers are the first step in securing your information. They control a lot of your information that can show where you are and if you are smart enough to fool a support person, you can get them to give you the personal information you need to acquire account access. Someone should make an app for a smartphone like little snitch that will show you what is operating around you and in what capacity, ie wifi or bluetooth or GPS, and help identify what that device is.
I'm not following you at all. How do you think abusers are buying information from Google's merchant services in a way that enables them to stalk someone?
Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Knives, guns, baseball bats, and cars are often used as weapons. Computers and phones are used by criminals to commit a wide variety of crimes.
Unless you're trolling, I don't understand your logic. Why kill a successful product because it's abused by only a fraction of a fraction of users?
Because the abuse massively outweighs the benefit. A million people being able to find their keys a bit easier is no tradeoff for a single person being stalked.
You sound like George now. Sad. Can you show us where "the abuse massively outweighs the benefit"?
I personally have 4 and know many people with them who have not suffered any abuse. In fact, I just bought 4 more that I need to set up. Of course, my anecdotal evidence does not negate others being abused by passive technology, but you claimed that it massively outweighs so let's see the evidence to back that up. But if you're really going down that rabbit route should we also ban the Apple Watch, iPhone, Mac, and any other Appel tech that has shown that it occasionally be used by bad actors for nefarious reasons? Seems ridiculous to suggest such a thing, but that's just me.
It's an opinion dude, and the second sentence is my reasoning.
There was a report recently of someone putting an Apple Watch on a car to track someone, and we've heard about other connected devices, like the iPhone to track people, but your claim is that all the benefits are pointless reasons for these devices to exist is a single person could be stalked with them. Um, no.
No, my opinion is what I said. Don't alter my words.
I didn't alter your words. You said, "Because the abuse massively outweighs the benefit. A million people being able to find their keys a bit easier is no tradeoff for a single person being stalked." You made a ridiculous claim followed by a ridiculous comment.
As for your other claim that, "there are next to no other products on the market that offer such an effective stalking opportunity," there are many others that offer much better and have for a very, very long time.
This inexpensive, little GPS+LTE tracker will magnetically stick to any ferrous metal, like a car and doesn't let iOS/iPadOS users know they are being tracked. Tile has sold more than 35 million trackers and is available in 195 countries and is on both Android and iOS. Your suggestion that no one users Tile so that it's a pointless tracker is very far from the truth.
I have to wonder if you work for Tile. It would certainly explain your weird-ass suggestion that Apple kill the only product with active stalking avoidance. But you do you. If you have any more windmills to tilt at please let us know.
Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Knives, guns, baseball bats, and cars are often used as weapons. Computers and phones are used by criminals to commit a wide variety of crimes.
Unless you're trolling, I don't understand your logic. Why kill a successful product because it's abused by only a fraction of a fraction of users?
Because the abuse massively outweighs the benefit. A million people being able to find their keys a bit easier is no tradeoff for a single person being stalked.
You sound like George now. Sad. Can you show us where "the abuse massively outweighs the benefit"?
I personally have 4 and know many people with them who have not suffered any abuse. In fact, I just bought 4 more that I need to set up. Of course, my anecdotal evidence does not negate others being abused by passive technology, but you claimed that it massively outweighs so let's see the evidence to back that up. But if you're really going down that rabbit route should we also ban the Apple Watch, iPhone, Mac, and any other Appel tech that has shown that it occasionally be used by bad actors for nefarious reasons? Seems ridiculous to suggest such a thing, but that's just me.
It's an opinion dude, and the second sentence is my reasoning.
There was a report recently of someone putting an Apple Watch on a car to track someone, and we've heard about other connected devices, like the iPhone to track people, but your claim is that all the benefits are pointless reasons for these devices to exist is a single person could be stalked with them. Um, no.
No, my opinion is what I said. Don't alter my words.
I didn't alter your words. You said, "Because the abuse massively outweighs the benefit. A million people being able to find their keys a bit easier is no tradeoff for a single person being stalked." You made a ridiculous claim followed by a ridiculous comment.
You absolutely did change my words.
your claim is that all the benefits are pointless reasons for these devices to exist is a single person could be stalked with them. Um, no.
"all the benefits are pointless reasons for these devices to exist" is absolutely not what I said. Neither the "all", nor the "pointless".
As for your other claim that, "there are next to no other products on the market that offer such an effective stalking opportunity," there are many others that offer much better and have for a very, very long time.
This inexpensive, little GPS+LTE tracker will magnetically stick to any ferris metal, like a car and doesn't let iOS/iPadOS users know they are being tracked.
This? You haven't shown anything. In any case, how does Apple's anti-stalking measures help with "this"? It doesn't is the answer, which is almost the entire point I'm making.
Tile has sold more than 35 million trackers and is available in 195 countries and is on both Android and iOS. Your suggestion that no one users Tile so that it's a pointless tracker is very far from the truth.
Again with the "pointless", which is not a word I used, implied, or meant. Quit it.
I have to wonder if you work for Tile. It would certainly explain your weird-ass suggestion that Apple kill the only product with active stalking avoidance. But you do you. If you have any more windmills to tilt at please let us know.
Yeah, I work for Tile and make it my business to post on Apple forums for years, in order to ultimately say that Tile have a worse network than Apple. You're a real smartypants Sherlock to get to the bottom of that.
"Active stalker avoidance" is marketing crap, they have a few mitigations in place to paper over a toxic product.
Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Kill the product, own it as a mistake, and work with Google on a solution to digital stalking that works across both platforms for as many tracking devices as possible.
Can't believe Apple were so stupid as to think this was a path worth walking.
Umm… Huh??
There's been another page of conversation my friend.
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The anti-stalking capabilities are worth a lot less to users with a non-Apple smartphone. And there are no anti-stalking capabilities built into iOS to cover the non-Apple devices. It's a massive disconnect.
So fix the problem, then get back to the business of making money. Apple are in a great position to do the right thing, but they've started the wrong way round.
Someone should make an app for a smartphone like little snitch that will show you what is operating around you and in what capacity, ie wifi or bluetooth or GPS, and help identify what that device is.
B. The onus is ALWAYS on the victim to “prove” that this is happening, which Apple’s device (alone until extremely recently) makes possible;
As for your other claim that, "there are next to no other products on the market that offer such an effective stalking opportunity," there are many others that offer much better and have for a very, very long time.
This inexpensive, little GPS+LTE tracker will magnetically stick to any ferrous metal, like a car and doesn't let iOS/iPadOS users know they are being tracked. Tile has sold more than 35 million trackers and is available in 195 countries and is on both Android and iOS. Your suggestion that no one users Tile so that it's a pointless tracker is very far from the truth.
I have to wonder if you work for Tile. It would certainly explain your weird-ass suggestion that Apple kill the only product with active stalking avoidance. But you do you. If you have any more windmills to tilt at please let us know.
"all the benefits are pointless reasons for these devices to exist" is absolutely not what I said. Neither the "all", nor the "pointless".
This? You haven't shown anything. In any case, how does Apple's anti-stalking measures help with "this"? It doesn't is the answer, which is almost the entire point I'm making.
Again with the "pointless", which is not a word I used, implied, or meant. Quit it.
Yeah, I work for Tile and make it my business to post on Apple forums for years, in order to ultimately say that Tile have a worse network than Apple. You're a real smartypants Sherlock to get to the bottom of that.
"Active stalker avoidance" is marketing crap, they have a few mitigations in place to paper over a toxic product.