<strong>If you want multi-button mice just go and buy one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
After I already have paid the expensive Apple Mouse.... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
(I had to doi it anyway: I'm currently using a logitech mouseman and a kensington trackball as the Apple "puck" mouse that came with my G3 is some useless designer crap.)
GSpotter, it just seems funny for you to complain about buying an 'expensive computer' which comes with the standard Apple mouse, in your case, the 'puck'.
How much did that computer set you back? I know you're in Europe so the money doesn't quite equal out with us here in the US, but I'm guessing between $2000 and $3000.
After spending all of that money to get a G3 with a monitor and all of the other add ons, you wouldn't pay $20- $30 more to get a good third party mouse? It just seems kind of silly that you wouldn't pay about 1% of the cost of the computer more to get the mouse you want. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Yeah. I wouldn't mind if I could choose a 3rd party mouse (BTO), but as it is you're paying $59 with each Mac you buy for something you don't need.
How about this: A Pro mouse with a smallish (2cm or so) button on the right side for right clicking, a scroll pad the same size on the right, and have the surface button as it is. Just have the two extras poking out, level with the surface of the main button.
I say it's interesting in concept. A jog dial of the iPod type could be a boon for manipulating sliders and such. And a centrally located second button makes for a neat solution to the lefty/righty ergo problem, though it perhaps introduces new ergo problems?
I guess we should begin the "Is it real or fake" debate now. If Apple pulls it down, we'll know fo shoo.
Mods: I don't think Apple mentioned anything about the above pic, how could they, but if there's somekind of restriction, just pull it down.
<strong>I found this over at macrumors...I say it's interesting in concept.
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Very interesting indeed. Could be used right- or left-handed, which is in keeping with Apples design idealogy. Also, consider all the possible functionality provided by the scroll wheel: 4-8 additional buttons (cardinal points, plus bisects), vertical and horizontal slider control by sliding your finger either up/down or side-to-side without following the arc of the wheel, and such. I also like the positioning of the second button. Not necessarily the 'right' button. I could see placing index and mid finger where you would with a reg multi-button mouse, using both to click (as per Apples current pro mouse), and using the index finger to '2nd-click' or scroll. Not unlike how I use my current mouse (clicking the wheel == '2nd-click').
Anyways, if this is the Real Deal, then I'll buy one.
The mouse image shown above (white mouse with huge iPod style scroll wheel) has been discussed on other forums. The person who did it in Photoshop admitted it, and said he was just messing around.
Another image I happened to find this morning is attached below.
The claim is that this mouse has:
a) 3 Buttons
b) Scroll Wheel
c) Wireless Bluetooth
This mouse fits in perfectly with the "3 button mouse required" blurb for Apple's Shake software release. The 3rd button would be the middle of the scroll wheel.
It could be Photoshop, I don't know. The more I look at it though, I think it's a cool design. I would not be unhappy to find out this was real, but it looks like someone's imagination.
Dang, I liked that other design. Oh well. Don't like this one as much, also seems less of an Apple-style design; too PCish, IMHO. 'Course, my limited track record on these things is less than exemplary, eh...?
<strong>How much did that computer set you back? </strong>
We had a better exchangerate then, so it was "only" about $1700.
<strong>It just seems kind of silly that you wouldn't pay about 1% of the cost of the computer more to get the mouse you want. </strong><hr></blockquote>
It is not the money for the 3rd party mouse. I just I do not like to being forced to pay for something I won't use. The Apple mouse does cost about 76 Euro here... And I can think of other things to buy for that money...
It's an *interesting* concept, but it's also incredibly stupid. The jog dial would be carpal tunnel hell as it would force your finger into a repetive lateral side to side motion in addition to forward and back. My fingers are only designed to bend side to side at one point. And that leaves using only a portion of the jog dial to be used just like a wheel (which seems like a more lasting design.)
I think everyone's points are good. Really, choice is good, but having Apple design and ship another mouse would alienate some people, just like its current mouse is now to people who want two buttons. There's other talk of Bluetooth mice, which would be pretty interesting. Although your going to blow through batteries once a week, and I think people that are dreaming of Bluetooth enabled mice haven't used wireless peripherals before (especially considering the sleep mode they go into to save battery life, theres a constant half second lag everytime you move the mouse).
I do understand it's annoying to pay for something like the mouse that you don't like, but you also need to understand that your not paying the retail price for that mouse, its rolled into one package. If everything was retail you'd pay a lot more than $3,000 US for a tower. From what I've read, a good solution would be for Apple to design a second set of input devices, like a good two button mouse and a ergonomic keyboard. You could either have these be BTO with the computer or in stores or both. This way we could have things that matched and worked well with our Macs without having to search for a suitable combo. The real question is, "is it worth it for Apple to waste it's time on stuff already available?"
For myself? I'll stick with my MS Intellimouse and my Adesso ergonomic keyboard, both work fine, just like our OS.
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<strong>If you want multi-button mice just go and buy one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
After I already have paid the expensive Apple Mouse.... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
(I had to doi it anyway: I'm currently using a logitech mouseman and a kensington trackball as the Apple "puck" mouse that came with my G3 is some useless designer crap.)
How much did that computer set you back? I know you're in Europe so the money doesn't quite equal out with us here in the US, but I'm guessing between $2000 and $3000.
After spending all of that money to get a G3 with a monitor and all of the other add ons, you wouldn't pay $20- $30 more to get a good third party mouse? It just seems kind of silly that you wouldn't pay about 1% of the cost of the computer more to get the mouse you want. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
How about this: A Pro mouse with a smallish (2cm or so) button on the right side for right clicking, a scroll pad the same size on the right, and have the surface button as it is. Just have the two extras poking out, level with the surface of the main button.
Barto
Is this the mouse in question:
I say it's interesting in concept. A jog dial of the iPod type could be a boon for manipulating sliders and such. And a centrally located second button makes for a neat solution to the lefty/righty ergo problem, though it perhaps introduces new ergo problems?
I guess we should begin the "Is it real or fake" debate now. If Apple pulls it down, we'll know fo shoo.
Mods: I don't think Apple mentioned anything about the above pic, how could they, but if there's somekind of restriction, just pull it down.
Jet
<strong>I found this over at macrumors...I say it's interesting in concept.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very interesting indeed. Could be used right- or left-handed, which is in keeping with Apples design idealogy. Also, consider all the possible functionality provided by the scroll wheel: 4-8 additional buttons (cardinal points, plus bisects), vertical and horizontal slider control by sliding your finger either up/down or side-to-side without following the arc of the wheel, and such. I also like the positioning of the second button. Not necessarily the 'right' button. I could see placing index and mid finger where you would with a reg multi-button mouse, using both to click (as per Apples current pro mouse), and using the index finger to '2nd-click' or scroll. Not unlike how I use my current mouse (clicking the wheel == '2nd-click').
Anyways, if this is the Real Deal, then I'll buy one.
(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borror it from our children"
Another image I happened to find this morning is attached below.
The claim is that this mouse has:
a) 3 Buttons
b) Scroll Wheel
c) Wireless Bluetooth
This mouse fits in perfectly with the "3 button mouse required" blurb for Apple's Shake software release. The 3rd button would be the middle of the scroll wheel.
It could be Photoshop, I don't know. The more I look at it though, I think it's a cool design. I would not be unhappy to find out this was real, but it looks like someone's imagination.
-- Ensoniq
[ 08-11-2002: Message edited by: Ensoniq ]</p>
(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borrow it from our children"
<strong>How much did that computer set you back? </strong>
We had a better exchangerate then, so it was "only" about $1700.
<strong>It just seems kind of silly that you wouldn't pay about 1% of the cost of the computer more to get the mouse you want. </strong><hr></blockquote>
It is not the money for the 3rd party mouse. I just I do not like to being forced to pay for something I won't use. The Apple mouse does cost about 76 Euro here... And I can think of other things to buy for that money...
I do understand it's annoying to pay for something like the mouse that you don't like, but you also need to understand that your not paying the retail price for that mouse, its rolled into one package. If everything was retail you'd pay a lot more than $3,000 US for a tower. From what I've read, a good solution would be for Apple to design a second set of input devices, like a good two button mouse and a ergonomic keyboard. You could either have these be BTO with the computer or in stores or both. This way we could have things that matched and worked well with our Macs without having to search for a suitable combo. The real question is, "is it worth it for Apple to waste it's time on stuff already available?"
For myself? I'll stick with my MS Intellimouse and my Adesso ergonomic keyboard, both work fine, just like our OS.
-CFPC