US lawmakers call for universal charging standard - but not necessarily for USB-C

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  • Reply 21 of 41
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,654member
    thadec said:
    It’s funny how people still don’t know the difference between socialism and communism!!
    It is funny how so many people on the left call everyone to the right of AOC a fascist.
    I’ve NEVER heard anyone call anyone to the Right of AOC a fascist.   Even the people who were so upset Bernie Sanders didn’t get the nomination - I heard some (stupidly) say they would sit out the election, but no one ever called Clinton or Biden a fascist. Not in my experience anyway. 

    On social media, when people on the Right have accused others and politicians of being Socialists, Communists or “Woke”, I always ask them to define it.   Not a single one ever has. 

    I would contend that the majority of Americans can’t define the three branches of our government and cannot name their senators. They certainly can’t define socialism or communism. 
    bbhmystigobaconstangtwokatmewMplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 41
    viclauyycviclauyyc Posts: 849member
    How about passing a law that requires company to sell charger and cable  separately but the charger must be available to purchase along with the product. So consumer have a choice to opt out the charger. Pretty much just like what apple is doing. 

    We don’t have a problem with too many standards. We have problems with the manufactures keep give us the same charger and cable.
    thtbaconstangAlex1N
  • Reply 23 of 41
    bbhbbh Posts: 134member
    My goodness. Standardization is not evil. I have to think long and hard about replacing an electric drill because all the battery packs are proprietary. What nonsense. A common charging standard, just like a common data transmission standard seems a no brainer. Travel a bit and you will find the USA does not have a monopoly on the best way to do everything.
    mystigobaconstangAlex1NMplsPgrandact73watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 41
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,356member
    hmlongco said:
    Mandatory....

    I would laugh if this was not so true. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. With over 250 standards development organizations worldwide the constant growth in the total number of standards is quite astounding. 
    baconstangwatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 41
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,423member
    zoetmb said:
    I’ve NEVER heard anyone call anyone to the Right of AOC a fascist.  
    I reserve the term fascist for people who deserve it, like Trump and Desantis.

    I have serious issues with Biden and other corporate Democrats, but the only people mistakenly calling them fascist are those on the right who are equally clueless about the meaning of terms like fascism and socialism.
    edited June 2022 mystigoXedbaconstangMplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 41
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,047member
    zoetmb said:
    Kuyangkoh said:
    Geeeee…..we should use one car standard, too many and bad for consumers and the environment 
    We definitely should have been using a single standard for EV charging ports.  It’s insane that there aren’t.  It’s like having different sized gas spouts in cars. 
    Maybe you're too young to remember but at one time there were two different size gas sprout on cars. When the catalytic convertor was first used to reduce emissions, cars with them must burn unleaded gas, as the exhaust from burning leaded gas would destroy them. So cars that came with a catalytic converter had a smaller gas sprout. At the pump, the gas nozzles for leaded and unleaded gas were different sizes. The nozzle for leaded gas was larger and would not fit into the smaller sprout of car wth a catalytic converter. While older non-catalytic converter cars could use both leaded and unleaded gas. There was no way that a sticker by the sprout stating "Unleaded Only" would prevent consumers from accidentally putting in leaded gas, if the spouts were the same size. At the time, the same gas stations would sell leaded and unleaded gas. With unleaded gas costing a few pennies more at first. But when cars with catalytic converters became the norm, leaded gas cost more, until it was eventually banned.

    There's a reason why there are many different chargers for our rechargeable battery devices, this so that consumers can not accidentally use the wrong chargers with their device. Being able to plug in a 24V  battery charger would destroy a device with a 6V battery, because they were both using the same connector. As using a charger designed for NiCad or NMH batteries on a device with lithium ion or lead acid batteries, would destroy the battery and maybe the device, if the battery shorts or over heat while charging. Dedicated plugs on the charger and device helps prevent this. 
    edited June 2022 baconstangtwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 41
    chaickachaicka Posts: 257member
    Is it just me finding US & EU getting more and more contradictory. On one hand they call on even the weakest qualifying condition anti-competitive. Yet on another hand, mandates single-standard on charging port of devices.

    What’s next - all laptops and mobile devices are consolidate into USB-C for charging hence allowing USB organisation and its chip makers to monopolies the market and force higher fees on device makers?

    In a few years time, when EVs make up >60% of vehicle population in US and EU, are the regulators going to then mandates the charging port (right now no single standard across all EVs) as well as charging stations?

    Anti-Competition vs Mandatory Standard - ain’t it all from regulators’ perspective and dictation? 🤔
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 41
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,105member
    Pretty much the same now with Petrol / Diesel pumps.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 41
    chaickachaicka Posts: 257member
    Honestly, with 15W MagSafe charging, I don’t mind to leap forward 2 steps and cut the lighting port loose (meaning, no more ports hence better water-proofing). MagSafe battery packs easily available nowadays. Keep the port-based fast charging on those. 🤣🤪
  • Reply 30 of 41
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 832member
    This is all so silly. First of all, with no government intervention, the tech world is transitioning--at least for now--to USB-C connectors. The iPhone remains an exception, but Apple has been transitioning other products, and even the iPhone is slated to go USB-C in 2023. I say "at least for now" because inevitably, a connector that's better than USB-C will emerge, as better connectors have always emerged over time. But it will take government forever to change the laws if USB-C is mandated now. And so tech progress will get stifled by a bunch of octogenarian luddites who are stymied by iPhones as they search for an antenna to pull up when they want to make a call. 
    stompybeowulfschmidtgrandact73watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 41
    JFC_PAJFC_PA Posts: 932member
    mystigo said:
    I kind of see it like regulating the width between railroad tracks. Not necessarily a bad idea. I have a mountain of obsolete cables that are almost certainly just going into a landfill one day. Probably when my wife puts them there after I am gone. Some commentors have likened this to communism. I have news for them -we regulate the width between railroad tracks -we already are communists, so there is no turning back now!
    The difference is that we don’t have rapidly evolving innovation in the realm of railroad tracks. If we’d had a government-mandated charging standard years ago, we’d all be using micro-USB right now.

    I actually want USB=C to replace Lightning, but I don’t want some government bureaucracy of technologically illiterate septuagenarians to decide that.
    Micro-USB? No, we’d be using SCSI. The BIG one. Lol
    charlesnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 41
    JapheyJaphey Posts: 1,767member
    Sanders and Warren would be considered centrists in Western Europe. Only in the American Capitalist Caliphate would they be mistaken for communist radicals. Imagine the horrors of joining the rest of the developed world in offering our citizens universal healthcare, decent wages, and quality education.
    American Capitalist Caliphate? How very clever of you…you must be so proud of yourself for reading that somewhere else and then shoehorning it in here. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 41
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    It’s funny how they don’t mention by name other companies like Sony, Microsoft, John Deere, Makita, Dewalt, Ryobi, I can go on for days, but you get my point. 

    They don’t want to admit that different adapters serve their market and drive the economy. You know, the one that’s tanking right now. 

    So it’s bad that Apple and the rest of the tech market make so much money on cables and ports and adapters, but it’s good that gas can approach $7/gallon when there is no real believable explanation why. 

    Who are the real grifters here?
    Our gas prices are $4.49 roughly what we had to pay in 2008 when everyone dumped their giant SUVS and swore to move to alternative fuel sources, for about a year. That is a really odd price because in all my years I have never seen gas prices exactly the same everywhere in the city and in neighboring cities too. That is not a natural occurrence.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 41
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    crowley said:
    gas can approach $7/gallon when there is no real believable explanation why. 
    Not sure if serious.
    He is serious. If costs increases were the reason, profits for oil companies would be consistent, not soaring to astronomically high rates. Prices would follow the prices for barrels of oil, which they are not, and there would not suddenly be consistent pricing across multiple independent locations in a region. 

    This in fact smells a bit rotten. Who benefits from high prices, Gas in particular? Who benefits from consumers being angry about prices. Coincidentally, the same people who received 2 trillion dollars in tax cuts recently are the same people who ultimately control the bill of the prices. Especially in the gas sector. 

    I wonder what their motivation is for maintaining the pain on US consumers besides the profit margins?
    foregoneconclusionwatto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 41
    It’s funny how people still don’t know the difference between socialism and communism!!

    It's funny how people still don't know the difference between socialism, communism, and fascism!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 41
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    genovelle said:
    crowley said:
    gas can approach $7/gallon when there is no real believable explanation why. 
    Not sure if serious.
    He is serious. If costs increases were the reason, profits for oil companies would be consistent, not soaring to astronomically high rates. Prices would follow the prices for barrels of oil, which they are not, and there would not suddenly be consistent pricing across multiple independent locations in a region. 

    This in fact smells a bit rotten. Who benefits from high prices, Gas in particular? Who benefits from consumers being angry about prices. Coincidentally, the same people who received 2 trillion dollars in tax cuts recently are the same people who ultimately control the bill of the prices. Especially in the gas sector. 

    I wonder what their motivation is for maintaining the pain on US consumers besides the profit margins?
    Why does there have to be another motivation?  Why isn’t opportunistic corporate greed from oil companies a “believable explanation”?
  • Reply 37 of 41
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,336member
    genovelle said:
    It’s funny how they don’t mention by name other companies like Sony, Microsoft, John Deere, Makita, Dewalt, Ryobi, I can go on for days, but you get my point. 

    They don’t want to admit that different adapters serve their market and drive the economy. You know, the one that’s tanking right now. 

    So it’s bad that Apple and the rest of the tech market make so much money on cables and ports and adapters, but it’s good that gas can approach $7/gallon when there is no real believable explanation why. 

    Who are the real grifters here?
    Our gas prices are $4.49 roughly what we had to pay in 2008 when everyone dumped their giant SUVS and swore to move to alternative fuel sources, for about a year. That is a really odd price because in all my years I have never seen gas prices exactly the same everywhere in the city and in neighboring cities too. That is not a natural occurrence.  
    Gas prices here in Pennsylvania are very different from station to station.  From one station to the next the price can be as little as .05 cents difference up to .50 cents or more different. I have never seen anything like it.. and now I am seeing "ethanol free" more often which costs more than Diesel and Premium depending on the station.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 41
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,336member
    genovelle said:
    crowley said:
    gas can approach $7/gallon when there is no real believable explanation why. 
    Not sure if serious.
    He is serious. If costs increases were the reason, profits for oil companies would be consistent, not soaring to astronomically high rates. Prices would follow the prices for barrels of oil, which they are not, and there would not suddenly be consistent pricing across multiple independent locations in a region. 

    This in fact smells a bit rotten. Who benefits from high prices, Gas in particular? Who benefits from consumers being angry about prices. Coincidentally, the same people who received 2 trillion dollars in tax cuts recently are the same people who ultimately control the bill of the prices. Especially in the gas sector. 

    I wonder what their motivation is for maintaining the pain on US consumers besides the profit margins?
    Why are car dealers charging in some cases 30K over sticker value for new vehicles?  A buddy of mine was offered almost 10K than what he paid for his less than year old vehicle?  Pure greed... same goes for BIG oil getting there's back from almost 1.5 years of the people being locked down barely driving and not traveling. Pure greed simply because they can.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 41
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,921member
    zoetmb said:
    Kuyangkoh said:
    Geeeee…..we should use one car standard, too many and bad for consumers and the environment 
    We definitely should have been using a single standard for EV charging ports.  It’s insane that there aren’t.  It’s like having different sized gas spouts in cars. 
    Well technically they do, but it’s for diesel and gasoline. 

    Agree on the charging port, though. Tesla’s is honestly the best. It’s too bad they didn’t license it and now we have 6 or 7 competing standards. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 40 of 41
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,921member
    Seems like this is primarily a failure of the industry. Pretty much everyone agrees a standard would be good but the industry has completely failed to agree on one so the adults had to step in. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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