How the EU's new big tech antitrust laws will hit Apple

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  • Reply 21 of 25
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,684member
    Sell an EU model [of the iPhone] with nothing on it except the Settings app. Users can go download the app store they want, the phone app they want, the messaging app they want, the browser they want. They'll have to connect it to a computer to side load at least the app store or browser to get started. But it'll be "fair" and nobody will have an advantage.
    Do you mean that Apple should offer this iPhone model voluntarily, or that the EU should mandate that such a phone be made available for sale, or that the EU should mandate that only this type of phone can be sold? Your statement is so ambiguous I cannot tell what you are thinking.
  • Reply 22 of 25
    rob53 said:
    spheric said:
    blastdoor said:
    I wonder if Lockdown mode is an example of how apple will respond. That is — use enhanced security/privacy modes to allow users to turn all that EU spyware off
    What EU spyware? 

    Which article have you been reading? Because it certainly hasn't been this one.

    Edit: or are you talking about the photo analysis to catch child porn? Apple built that to comply with a UNITED STATES law. 
    Don't be naive. What every country wants is the ability to infect every single computing device with nation-owned software to monitor everything a person does. The people who understand this rightfully call it spyware. Nations saying they're trying to reign in tech companies is what they're trying to make people believe while forcing these tech companies to open up their systems to anyone's software is their trojan horse. Read some history to understand what my comment means. As for Apple's lockdown, I'm not sure it will really help stop countries from invading our devices but it is a good attempt. The problem is, Lockdown really locks an iPhone down to the point where it's almost not usable. What this is demonstrating is how far Apple has to locks things down to make them anywhere near secure from state-owned hacking activities. 
    Every country wants to install spyware on every device, huh? Sweet completely made up conspiracy lacking in any sustaining evidence, bro. Other than China and Russia, the claim that this is the end goal of all states is simply false.
    We have evidence going back nearly half a century that demonstrates the willingness of several governments to spy upon their own citizens. Take, for example, project ECHELON which involved an agreement between multiple nations to share the data collected by spying on the citizens of other nations. In countries where the laws prevented spying upon one's own citizens, it was deemed acceptable to make use of "intelligence" data on those citizens if it was gathered by third parties.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that ALL governments share that desire. Mostly with good intentions, no doubt - but we know what road is paved with such.
    edited July 2022 danox
  • Reply 23 of 25
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,684member
    rob53 said:
    spheric said:
    blastdoor said:
    I wonder if Lockdown mode is an example of how apple will respond. That is — use enhanced security/privacy modes to allow users to turn all that EU spyware off
    What EU spyware? 

    Which article have you been reading? Because it certainly hasn't been this one.

    Edit: or are you talking about the photo analysis to catch child porn? Apple built that to comply with a UNITED STATES law. 
    Don't be naive. What every country wants is the ability to infect every single computing device with nation-owned software to monitor everything a person does. The people who understand this rightfully call it spyware. Nations saying they're trying to reign in tech companies is what they're trying to make people believe while forcing these tech companies to open up their systems to anyone's software is their trojan horse. Read some history to understand what my comment means. As for Apple's lockdown, I'm not sure it will really help stop countries from invading our devices but it is a good attempt. The problem is, Lockdown really locks an iPhone down to the point where it's almost not usable. What this is demonstrating is how far Apple has to locks things down to make them anywhere near secure from state-owned hacking activities. 
    Every country wants to install spyware on every device, huh? Sweet completely made up conspiracy lacking in any sustaining evidence, bro. Other than China and Russia, the claim that this is the end goal of all states is simply false.
    We have evidence going back nearly half a century that demonstrates the willingness of several governments to spy upon their own citizens. Take, for example, project ECHELON which involved an agreement between multiple nations to share the data collected by spying on the citizens of other nations. In countries where the laws prevented spying upon one's own citizens, it was deemed acceptable to make use of "intelligence" data on those citizens if it was gathered by third parties.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that ALL governments share that desire. Mostly with good intentions, no doubt - but we know what road is paved with such.
    I would like all the money in the world, but just because I have that desire doesn't make me a criminal. What matters is what is done, not what is thought. You make it sound like project Echelon exists for the purpose of spying on one's own citizens. Maybe you should go correct wikipedia. Wikipedia does mention seven "instances" where this possibly occurred, (and some of those seven examples aren't very convincing) but that hardly constitutes a "purpose". Let's stick with the facts, please.
    jony0
  • Reply 24 of 25
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,238member
    KTR said:
    Next thing you know.  They will try to force apple to license it’s operating systems to other device makers.  But then again.  These new BS RULES could benefit apple.  Since apple owns and develop its own OS.  They would have more control over its hardware software combo.  
    The EU will try that with the iPad and the Apple Watch, you must give Linux a helping hand. The EU will cause Apple to build a base level Nintendo type smartphone just for the EU.
    edited July 2022
  • Reply 25 of 25
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,664member
    rob53 said:
    spheric said:
    blastdoor said:
    I wonder if Lockdown mode is an example of how apple will respond. That is — use enhanced security/privacy modes to allow users to turn all that EU spyware off
    What EU spyware? 

    Which article have you been reading? Because it certainly hasn't been this one.

    Edit: or are you talking about the photo analysis to catch child porn? Apple built that to comply with a UNITED STATES law. 
    Don't be naive. What every country wants is the ability to infect every single computing device with nation-owned software to monitor everything a person does. The people who understand this rightfully call it spyware. Nations saying they're trying to reign in tech companies is what they're trying to make people believe while forcing these tech companies to open up their systems to anyone's software is their trojan horse. Read some history to understand what my comment means. As for Apple's lockdown, I'm not sure it will really help stop countries from invading our devices but it is a good attempt. The problem is, Lockdown really locks an iPhone down to the point where it's almost not usable. What this is demonstrating is how far Apple has to locks things down to make them anywhere near secure from state-owned hacking activities. 
    Every country wants to install spyware on every device, huh? Sweet completely made up conspiracy lacking in any sustaining evidence, bro. Other than China and Russia, the claim that this is the end goal of all states is simply false.
    We have evidence going back nearly half a century that demonstrates the willingness of several governments to spy upon their own citizens. Take, for example, project ECHELON which involved an agreement between multiple nations to share the data collected by spying on the citizens of other nations. In countries where the laws prevented spying upon one's own citizens, it was deemed acceptable to make use of "intelligence" data on those citizens if it was gathered by third parties.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that ALL governments share that desire. Mostly with good intentions, no doubt - but we know what road is paved with such.
    I would like all the money in the world, but just because I have that desire doesn't make me a criminal. What matters is what is done, not what is thought. You make it sound like project Echelon exists for the purpose of spying on one's own citizens. Maybe you should go correct wikipedia. Wikipedia does mention seven "instances" where this possibly occurred, (and some of those seven examples aren't very convincing) but that hardly constitutes a "purpose". Let's stick with the facts, please.
    As I recall, Echelon's main purpose was for the United States to spy on German citizens — with the help of German agencies. 
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