EU considering new evidence to speed up antitrust case against Apple

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Antitrust regulators in the European Union are reportedly planning to bolster their investigation of Apple with new evidence, though no new charges will be brought.

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The European Commission in 2021 said that Apple was in violation of competition laws in the region because its App Store rules gave an unfair advantage to Apple Music.

Now, EU competition watchdogs are set out to submit new evidence in hopes of speeding up the case, Reuters reported Wednesday.

At the time, competition enforcers laid out its charges in a statement of objections. Earlier in 2022, authorities also considered sending a supplementary statement of objections, which could bring additional evidence to the case.

Now, sources tell Reuters that the Commission is expected to send a letter of facts to Apple instead. A letter of facts generally contains new evidence that reinforce the original charges. Companies are free to counter the new evidence with written submissions.

As this point, it isn't clear what new evidence the letter could contain, or how it will affect the investigation. Sources said that the decision to send the letter of facts in the first place has yet to be finalized.

Apple first came under serious antitrust scrutiny in the European Union after Spotify submitted a complaint alleging that the company unfairly restricted competitors to its own Apple Music streaming service.

Separately, the EU is also investigating Apple Pay. In May, it said that the Apple payment platform also broke antitrust laws.

The EU is also charging ahead with landmark legislation that would make many tactics said to be anticompetitive illegal under threat of massive fines.

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  • Reply 1 of 26
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,571member
    Is the EU going to prohibit all built-in apps, because that's an unfair advantage, even when the app itself is free? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just asking a question.
    KTRtwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 26
    viclauyycviclauyyc Posts: 849member
    Spotify submit complaint to Eu while being a number 1 leader in the market. How low this company can go?
    bshankKTRtwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 26
    anomeanome Posts: 1,533member
    viclauyyc said:
    Spotify submit complaint to Eu while being a number 1 leader in the market. How low this company can go?
    You still have money you haven't given to them. Only once they have their hands on that, will they stop.

    Thanks, Capitalism!
    9secondkox2lordjohnwhorfinKTRtwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 26
    LOL...Spotify didn't even really have standing to make a complaint since 99% of their iOS subscribers were paying via the internet and not subject to any App Store commission at all. 
    bshanklordjohnwhorfintwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 26
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,724member
    Breaking:

    EU sues car manufacturer XYZ because they decided to deviate from the standard radio slot, and use a built-in system instead. Thereby obvious stifling competition such as pioneer, alpine, whatever. “Consumers DEMAND and MUST have the right to chose their own in-car entertainment system. Next, we will be looking into banning the OEM’s GPS as it unfairlly prefers the maker’s own product.”, a EU spokesman declared before driving off on his bike. 

    Oh, and Apple Pay: good news, because in return you will demand that I can conduct any purchase with Apple Pay, bei it a Shop, Restaurant whatever that so far chose tonaccept Cash only, right?  Oh, I thought so…

    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 26
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Breaking:

    EU sues car manufacturer XYZ because they decided to deviate from the standard radio slot, and use a built-in system instead. Thereby obvious stifling competition such as pioneer, alpine, whatever. “Consumers DEMAND and MUST have the right to chose their own in-car entertainment system. Next, we will be looking into banning the OEM’s GPS as it unfairlly prefers the maker’s own product.”
    Doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me. 
  • Reply 7 of 26
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,050member
    anome said:
    viclauyyc said:
    Spotify submit complaint to Eu while being a number 1 leader in the market. How low this company can go?
    You still have money you haven't given to them. Only once they have their hands on that, will they stop.

    Thanks, Capitalism!
    If Spotify were to spend more money on RD to make their music streaming service the better choice than their competitors or on the RD to develop their own platform and their own devices, in order to be more competitive and attract more subscribers ..... that's Capitalism!

    When CEO's like that of Epic, Match and Spotify must rely on the EU government ability to penalize companies for being more innovative and competitive, by crying like little kids about to lose a game of Checkers, on how it's not fair that they have to spend more of their own money to be more competitive ..... that's Socialism!  
    9secondkox2bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 26
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,727member
    Wow, the Capitalism vs Socialism analysis in this thread is laughable.  I must have missed the sections of the philosophy, social science, and political science courses where they discussed regulating products.

    To me, socialism is all about trying to give everyone access to things which are essential to having a decent life: a good education, health care, affordable housing, food security, and the like.  Capitalism is all about assuming everyone is greedy by nature (ala Thomas Hobbes), and trying to provide a framework where that greed is guided by the invisible hand of the market (ala Adam Smith).

    Aside from maybe internet access, technology itself isn't essential, so the interest socialist states would have in it would simply to ensure that tech companies and employees are paying their fair share of taxes to help fund the essentials for everyone.  What the EU is doing is more along the lines of trying to guide "the invisible hand" to ensure the market is healthy.  But I'd argue that this "guidance" is often being driven by the greed of other companies who want a piece of the pie without putting in the hard work to be competitive.  Nothing to do with socialism at all IMO.
    edited July 2022 muthuk_vanalingamthtfreeassociate29secondkox2viclauyycanometwokatmew
  • Reply 9 of 26
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,724member
    crowley said:
    Breaking:

    EU sues car manufacturer XYZ because they decided to deviate from the standard radio slot, and use a built-in system instead. Thereby obvious stifling competition such as pioneer, alpine, whatever. “Consumers DEMAND and MUST have the right to chose their own in-car entertainment system. Next, we will be looking into banning the OEM’s GPS as it unfairlly prefers the maker’s own product.”
    Doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me. 
    You can do a lot of things. My points are the following:
    1. Integrated solutions do have their advantages, from a coherent design and UX experience to deep integration of e.g. the gps system and the car’s electric battery charge level plus driving style. 
    2.  Where do you put the limit between “this is my product. Comes as it is. Take it or leave it” and “protecting consumers from being exploited” ?  Usually, such things are regulated in technical standards a manufacturer is required to adhere to in order to gain technical market access. Everything beyond that, is considered a free choice of the manufacturer. 
    3. As a consumer I was not asked what I prefer. And from my experience I have limited trust in decisions coming from laymen, in this case politicians deciding on technology.  
    twokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 26
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Again, explain why these people are considered Friends of America? Do you see China trying to tear down American companies every step? Do you see America doing anything similar to Mercedes?
    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 26
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,707member
    auxio said:
    Wow, the Capitalism vs Socialism analysis in this thread is laughable.  I must have missed the sections of the philosophy, social science, and political science courses where they discussed regulating products.

    To me, socialism is all about trying to give everyone access to things which are essential to having a decent life: a good education, health care, affordable housing, food security, and the like.  Capitalism is all about assuming everyone is greedy by nature (ala Thomas Hobbes), and trying to provide a framework where that greed is guided by the invisible hand of the market (ala Adam Smith).

    Aside from maybe internet access, technology itself isn't essential, so the interest socialist states would have in it would simply to ensure that tech companies and employees are paying their fair share of taxes to help fund the essentials for everyone.  What the EU is doing is more along the lines of trying to guide "the invisible hand" to ensure the market is healthy.  But I'd argue that this "guidance" is often being driven by the greed of other companies who want a piece of the pie without putting in the hard work to be competitive.  Nothing to do with socialism at all IMO.
    Capitalism has been the foundation that made America the superpower it is. In American capitalism, you can dream big and make it happen. And there are still safety nets built in. 

    Under socialism? You have an ideal that has failed throughout history. 

    In capitalism, you have some rich, some poor, and some in the middle. 

    In socialism, you have everyone poor except those running the system. 

    Capitalism = good for everyone. Especially those who work hard and smart. 

    Socialism = good for dictators. 

    The current socialist policies are tanking the American economy. You want more of that, vote for socialists. You want more of the blessing we had a couple years back, vote for capitalists. 

    Apple would never be what it is without capitalism. The iPhone wouldn’t exist. You’d be stuck with a bottom of the barrel flip phone. It’s nice to be able to buy the foods you enjoy out of an abundance of variety. Not so under socialism. 
    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 26
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,050member
    auxio said:
    Wow, the Capitalism vs Socialism analysis in this thread is laughable.  I must have missed the sections of the philosophy, social science, and political science courses where they discussed regulating products.

    To me, socialism is all about trying to give everyone access to things which are essential to having a decent life: a good education, health care, affordable housing, food security, and the like.  Capitalism is all about assuming everyone is greedy by nature (ala Thomas Hobbes), and trying to provide a framework where that greed is guided by the invisible hand of the market (ala Adam Smith).

    Aside from maybe internet access, technology itself isn't essential, so the interest socialist states would have in it would simply to ensure that tech companies and employees are paying their fair share of taxes to help fund the essentials for everyone.  What the EU is doing is more along the lines of trying to guide "the invisible hand" to ensure the market is healthy.  But I'd argue that this "guidance" is often being driven by the greed of other companies who want a piece of the pie without putting in thBecasue you seem to know very little about socialism and cape hard work to be competitive.  Nothing to do with socialism at all IMO.
    Well, you seem to have missed much more than that. Socialism and Capitalism also pertains to economic systems. And it's not about regulating products, it's about controlling the economy by regulating private enterprises, as though they are publicly owned and run by the government.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/socialism-vs-capitalism-4768969

    There are really no wealthy country in the EU, who has a government that can truly be called Socialism. They all depend on Capitalism to fund their way of "Socialism". Private ownership and Income inequity in the EU is really no different than that in the US. Where a relatively small percentage of citizens, owns a large percentage of the wealth created by private enterprises. That shouldn't happen if a country was truly operating under Socialism. Under Socialism, those wealthy people would have been taxed to death, to fund the social network for the poorer people. Without Capitalism, most countries in the EU that consider itself operating under  Socialism, would be more like Venezuela. But because Capitalism fund their way of "Socialism", they are more like the US.

    "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." ... Margret Thatcher

    Without Capitalism, most EU countries with a government that consider themselves operating under "Socialism", would had ran out of other peoples' money a long time ago.    


     
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 26
    9secondkox2 said: The current socialist policies are tanking the American economy. You want more of that, vote for socialists. You want more of the blessing we had a couple years back, vote for capitalists. 
    For someone who loves capitalism so much, it doesn't appear that you pay much attention to what capitalism is actually doing. 50% of the current inflationary period is being caused by supply chain issues (like soaring new/used car prices) and the bulk of the rest of it is being caused by oil/gas price increases (like soaring prices at the pump and for airline tickets). The federal government doesn't control either of those things. The private sector does. They're the ones that pooped in America's punchbowl. 

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-21/supply-issues-account-for-half-of-us-inflation-rise-study-shows

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/07/13/inflation-rises-again-to-40-year-high-but-gas-prices-may-help-drive-that-down-soon/?sh=2256c266126b


    edited July 2022 lordjohnwhorfintwokatmew
  • Reply 14 of 26
    davidw said: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." ... Margret Thatcher
    This is a highly ironic quote considering the prevalence of things like bond sales in the private sector. It's essentially free money that comes from the government due to how low the borrowing rates are for big business. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 26
    It’s hilarious how some people here have a Fox News vision of the world where Amerikkka is the bastion of heroic capitalism and Europe is rife with filthy socialist gubments that torture poor multinational corporations.
    The actual reality is that a vast majority of countries are under capitalist systems with social programs — of course some more than others. What do you think Social Security is, if not a social program? Same wity Medicare.
    The whole “Capitalism vs. evil European Socialism” is nothing but a made up talking point. Europe just has governments that have not yet fallen to the interests of big business — at least to US big business — and they’re trying to regulate monopolies and unfair business practices, using laws not unlike what the US used to apply not that long ago.

    How they do that, however, leaves much to be desired, one just needs to look at the ridiculous conclusion of their decade long antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft for Windows, which only ended up focusing on Internet Explorer and forcing Microsoft to decouple the browser from the OS.
    Going after Apple for monopolistic practices is ridiculous on its face, considering the extremely low market share of its platforms in Europe. 

    Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but while I think it’s a totally fair point to qualify this lawsuit as protectionist, unfair, and a shakedown of the wealthiest company in the world (let’s face it, that’s exactly what it is) bringing in “capitalism vs socialism” is just utterly laughable.
    spherictwokatmewwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 26
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,560member
    Going after Apple for monopolistic practices is ridiculous on its face, considering the extremely low market share of its platforms in Europe. 

    Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but while I think it’s a totally fair point to qualify this lawsuit as protectionist, unfair, and a shakedown of the wealthiest company in the world (let’s face it, that’s exactly what it is) bringing in “capitalism vs socialism” is just utterly laughable.
    Thanks for the words of sanity! It's worth noting that the United States are pondering very similar moves. 

    Also, one doesn't need a majority market share to unfairly utilise market clout. Apple is at around 30% on continental Europe; that's not "extremely low" — it just isn't as high as the US or Great Britain. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 26
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    spheric said:
    Going after Apple for monopolistic practices is ridiculous on its face, considering the extremely low market share of its platforms in Europe. 

    Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but while I think it’s a totally fair point to qualify this lawsuit as protectionist, unfair, and a shakedown of the wealthiest company in the world (let’s face it, that’s exactly what it is) bringing in “capitalism vs socialism” is just utterly laughable.
    Thanks for the words of sanity! It's worth noting that the United States are pondering very similar moves. 

    Also, one doesn't need a majority market share to unfairly utilise market clout. Apple is at around 30% on continental Europe; that's not "extremely low" — it just isn't as high as the US or Great Britain. 
    The UK please, Northern Ireland might be teetering, but they haven't left us yet.
    spherictwokatmew
  • Reply 18 of 26
    KTRKTR Posts: 280member
    The real problem is, WHO IS GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, WHAT?
    Should apple take responsibility for a third party, if this does not work well on apple hardware.
    should Microsoft take responsibility for a third party hardware?
    should the hardware company take responsibility for a third party intellectual property?  Like Microsoft OS?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 26
    anomeanome Posts: 1,533member
    crowley said:
    spheric said:
    Going after Apple for monopolistic practices is ridiculous on its face, considering the extremely low market share of its platforms in Europe. 

    Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but while I think it’s a totally fair point to qualify this lawsuit as protectionist, unfair, and a shakedown of the wealthiest company in the world (let’s face it, that’s exactly what it is) bringing in “capitalism vs socialism” is just utterly laughable.
    Thanks for the words of sanity! It's worth noting that the United States are pondering very similar moves. 

    Also, one doesn't need a majority market share to unfairly utilise market clout. Apple is at around 30% on continental Europe; that's not "extremely low" — it just isn't as high as the US or Great Britain. 
    The UK please, Northern Ireland might be teetering, but they haven't left us yet.
    Yeah, but how is the Apple Store in Belfast doing? And how is Brexit and the hard border affecting transport of Apple products between the Republic and Ulster?

    Of course, if Nicola Sturgeon gets her way, Great Britain won't be much of a thing, either*. Which is a pity because UKoGBaNI is much easier to pronounce than UKoEWaNI.

    * At least not a political entity. It will still be an island, at least until the channel dries up or something. Which is unlikely in the current climate. More likely the Fens will sink, and it will get smaller, but probably still be larger than any of the other British Isles that survive. Anyway, what were we discussing?
    edited July 2022 sphericwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 26
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,560member
    Apologies for the geographic imprecision! 
    watto_cobraanome
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