We also have the EU to thank that every time we visit a web site, an idiot window pops up to accept COOKIES - and then the sites collect the same information that they always used to ... but with 77 trillion wasted clicks thrown in due to appallingly poorly implemented legislation.
It may be annoying but getting explicit consent from users on the use of tracking and personal data is a core provision of the GDPR, one of the strictest pieces of digital privacy legislation on the planet and widely lauded as a model.
Of course, this kind of legislation exists for a reason. Can you imagine what it would be like without it?
"The European Union is, in theory, a force for good across Europe — just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country"
I had to laugh at that! The EU member countries comprise of two distinct types: a) the majority poorer ones that want EU subsidies and investment and b) the minority richer ones that want to control the others. The UK originally joined an "economic community", i.e. free-trade association, but the European project quickly transformed into a central bureaucracy that wanted to control every aspect of daily life of over half a billion citizens. Compulsory USB-C is a drop in the ocean compared to the tens of thousands of rules and regulations. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. The EU 'parliament' is purely a talking shop. The power rests with national governments and none of those wants the EU to be democratic as a democratic EU would take precedence. Taxation without representation. Power without accountability. The EU needs drastic reform to serve its citizens. These are some of the reasons the UK (narrowly) voted to leave the EU.
The USB-C debacle is wonderfully illustrative. The principle is noble - that there should be an open, common standard for device chargers in order to promote interoperability and save the annual disposal of millions of chargers. However, it is not for unelected bureaucrats with no technical knowledge, however well-advised, to be favouring one technical standard over another. It is for a global body such as the International Standards Organisation (ISO) to make suggestions in consultation with all the stakeholders. No, unelected EU bureaucrats will decide and for the EU only. It is not their competence, in every possible sense of the word.
Such it is for the size of bananas, which unit of weight they can be sold in, what you can call your pies, your electrical voltage, the height of your seat, the type of light bulb you allowed to buy, how many hours you can work, etc. tens of thousands of times over. That is what the EU did for us! Reform it drastically and the UK may rejoin. For now, the UK is starting to explore its new freedoms and remake old alliances.
Just for your information: the EU citizens are all very happy that the UK left. Good riddance. For decades the UK has stalled integration of the other EU countries by abusing their special privileges no other EU country had. It is quite refreshing to see that we can now make real progress. In addition it does not make sense to call EU officials non-elected. They are representatives of an election process. By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Liz Truss has been elected continually since 2010 as an MP. No UK PM has ever been "elected as a PM" by the people. The PM is appointed by the monarch. You don't have to be embarrassed by your mistake, most people living outside constitutional monarchies don't understand the process.
"The European Union is, in theory, a force for good across Europe — just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country"
I had to laugh at that! The EU member countries comprise of two distinct types: a) the majority poorer ones that want EU subsidies and investment and b) the minority richer ones that want to control the others. The UK originally joined an "economic community", i.e. free-trade association, but the European project quickly transformed into a central bureaucracy that wanted to control every aspect of daily life of over half a billion citizens. Compulsory USB-C is a drop in the ocean compared to the tens of thousands of rules and regulations. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. The EU 'parliament' is purely a talking shop. The power rests with national governments and none of those wants the EU to be democratic as a democratic EU would take precedence. Taxation without representation. Power without accountability. The EU needs drastic reform to serve its citizens. These are some of the reasons the UK (narrowly) voted to leave the EU.
The USB-C debacle is wonderfully illustrative. The principle is noble - that there should be an open, common standard for device chargers in order to promote interoperability and save the annual disposal of millions of chargers. However, it is not for unelected bureaucrats with no technical knowledge, however well-advised, to be favouring one technical standard over another. It is for a global body such as the International Standards Organisation (ISO) to make suggestions in consultation with all the stakeholders. No, unelected EU bureaucrats will decide and for the EU only. It is not their competence, in every possible sense of the word.
Such it is for the size of bananas, which unit of weight they can be sold in, what you can call your pies, your electrical voltage, the height of your seat, the type of light bulb you allowed to buy, how many hours you can work, etc. tens of thousands of times over. That is what the EU did for us! Reform it drastically and the UK may rejoin. For now, the UK is starting to explore its new freedoms and remake old alliances.
Just for your information: the EU citizens are all very happy that the UK left. Good riddance. For decades the UK has stalled integration of the other EU countries by abusing their special privileges no other EU country had. It is quite refreshing to see that we can now make real progress. In addition it does not make sense to call EU officials non-elected. They are representatives of an election process. By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Liz Truss has been elected continually since 2010 as an MP. No UK PM has ever been "elected as a PM" by the people. The PM is appointed by the monarch. You don't have to be embarrassed by your mistake, most people living outside constitutional monarchies don't understand the process.
To be fair, 'elected' and 'appointed' are completely different processes.
Was the current PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, no. She was elected by party members and after that she was appointed PM.
Was the previous PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, yes. Through the 2019 General Election. Even if he was later formally appointed PM.
Whichever way you look at it both PMs were elected and then appointed and you can't reasonably be appointed unless you have been elected.
So, if you were appointed PM you were also elected too.
"The European Union is, in theory, a force for good across Europe — just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country"
I had to laugh at that! The EU member countries comprise of two distinct types: a) the majority poorer ones that want EU subsidies and investment and b) the minority richer ones that want to control the others. The UK originally joined an "economic community", i.e. free-trade association, but the European project quickly transformed into a central bureaucracy that wanted to control every aspect of daily life of over half a billion citizens. Compulsory USB-C is a drop in the ocean compared to the tens of thousands of rules and regulations. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. The EU 'parliament' is purely a talking shop. The power rests with national governments and none of those wants the EU to be democratic as a democratic EU would take precedence. Taxation without representation. Power without accountability. The EU needs drastic reform to serve its citizens. These are some of the reasons the UK (narrowly) voted to leave the EU.
The USB-C debacle is wonderfully illustrative. The principle is noble - that there should be an open, common standard for device chargers in order to promote interoperability and save the annual disposal of millions of chargers. However, it is not for unelected bureaucrats with no technical knowledge, however well-advised, to be favouring one technical standard over another. It is for a global body such as the International Standards Organisation (ISO) to make suggestions in consultation with all the stakeholders. No, unelected EU bureaucrats will decide and for the EU only. It is not their competence, in every possible sense of the word.
Such it is for the size of bananas, which unit of weight they can be sold in, what you can call your pies, your electrical voltage, the height of your seat, the type of light bulb you allowed to buy, how many hours you can work, etc. tens of thousands of times over. That is what the EU did for us! Reform it drastically and the UK may rejoin. For now, the UK is starting to explore its new freedoms and remake old alliances.
Just for your information: the EU citizens are all very happy that the UK left. Good riddance. For decades the UK has stalled integration of the other EU countries by abusing their special privileges no other EU country had. It is quite refreshing to see that we can now make real progress. In addition it does not make sense to call EU officials non-elected. They are representatives of an election process. By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Liz Truss has been elected continually since 2010 as an MP. No UK PM has ever been "elected as a PM" by the people. The PM is appointed by the monarch. You don't have to be embarrassed by your mistake, most people living outside constitutional monarchies don't understand the process.
To be fair, 'elected' and 'appointed' are completely different processes.
Was the current PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, no. She was elected by party members and after that she was appointed PM.
Was the previous PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, yes. Through the 2019 General Election. Even if he was later formally appointed PM.
Whichever way you look at it both PMs were elected and then appointed and you can't reasonably be appointed unless you have been elected.
So, if you were appointed PM you were also elected too.
Not really. General elections are held on manifestos. Boris Johnson was the leader and main proponent of the conservative manifesto in the 2019 election, and became prime minister because under election rules his party secured the most seats. The UK does not formally vote for the Prime Minister but there is a common understanding that the leader of the majority party becomes Prime Minister, and very many people vote party rather than candidate, so they effectively are voting for the Prime Minister. Liz Truss has not been leader of the party during an election, has not put forth a manifesto, and is acting very contrarily to the manifesto that her party was elevated upon. She has no mandate and her premiership has not been validated by a general vote. There's a significant likelihood that she would not survive a confidence vote in the House Of Commons, certainly not an honest one free of strategic partisanship.
She was elected MP by her constituency, and she was elected leader of the conservative party. She has not been elected to be Prime Minister by the people.
That’s what socialist governments do. Put their nose where they have zero understanding of the subject and go for mere optics. Look at America right now.
“We care, come all, our borders are open” “Gas is expensive but we won’t produce American oil”
governments should stay out of this. EU is a poster child for bad decisions.
Look at America now, indeed: US crude production averages 11.8 million barrels/day in 2022, and projects to produce 12.6 million barrels/day in 2023, which would set a record for most US crude production in a year.
ova said: By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Your message was so unnecessarily condescending, I felt compelled to reply. In the UK we elect a government, we don’t elect a leader. Hence ‘prime minister’ not ‘president’.
As I recall, the PM has to have been previously elected by some segment of the British population as a Minister of Parliament, correct? So s/he is, in fact, elected.
ova said: By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Your message was so unnecessarily condescending, I felt compelled to reply. In the UK we elect a government, we don’t elect a leader. Hence ‘prime minister’ not ‘president’.
As I recall, the PM has to have been previously elected by some segment of the British population as a Minister of Parliament, correct? So s/he is, in fact, elected.
When that vote took place she supported the Conservative manifesto as part of her and her party’s platform. Since she assumed the mantle of Prime Minister she has acted in direct contradiction to that manifesto and broken its pledges. She has absolutely no mandate and should be removed before she does any more damage.
"The European Union is, in theory, a force for good across Europe — just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country"
I had to laugh at that! The EU member countries comprise of two distinct types: a) the majority poorer ones that want EU subsidies and investment and b) the minority richer ones that want to control the others. The UK originally joined an "economic community", i.e. free-trade association, but the European project quickly transformed into a central bureaucracy that wanted to control every aspect of daily life of over half a billion citizens. Compulsory USB-C is a drop in the ocean compared to the tens of thousands of rules and regulations. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. The EU 'parliament' is purely a talking shop. The power rests with national governments and none of those wants the EU to be democratic as a democratic EU would take precedence. Taxation without representation. Power without accountability. The EU needs drastic reform to serve its citizens. These are some of the reasons the UK (narrowly) voted to leave the EU.
The USB-C debacle is wonderfully illustrative. The principle is noble - that there should be an open, common standard for device chargers in order to promote interoperability and save the annual disposal of millions of chargers. However, it is not for unelected bureaucrats with no technical knowledge, however well-advised, to be favouring one technical standard over another. It is for a global body such as the International Standards Organisation (ISO) to make suggestions in consultation with all the stakeholders. No, unelected EU bureaucrats will decide and for the EU only. It is not their competence, in every possible sense of the word.
Such it is for the size of bananas, which unit of weight they can be sold in, what you can call your pies, your electrical voltage, the height of your seat, the type of light bulb you allowed to buy, how many hours you can work, etc. tens of thousands of times over. That is what the EU did for us! Reform it drastically and the UK may rejoin. For now, the UK is starting to explore its new freedoms and remake old alliances.
Just for your information: the EU citizens are all very happy that the UK left. Good riddance. For decades the UK has stalled integration of the other EU countries by abusing their special privileges no other EU country had. It is quite refreshing to see that we can now make real progress. In addition it does not make sense to call EU officials non-elected. They are representatives of an election process. By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Liz Truss has been elected continually since 2010 as an MP. No UK PM has ever been "elected as a PM" by the people. The PM is appointed by the monarch. You don't have to be embarrassed by your mistake, most people living outside constitutional monarchies don't understand the process.
To be fair, 'elected' and 'appointed' are completely different processes.
Was the current PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, no. She was elected by party members and after that she was appointed PM.
Was the previous PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, yes. Through the 2019 General Election. Even if he was later formally appointed PM.
Whichever way you look at it both PMs were elected and then appointed and you can't reasonably be appointed unless you have been elected.
So, if you were appointed PM you were also elected too.
Not really. General elections are held on manifestos. Boris Johnson was the leader and main proponent of the conservative manifesto in the 2019 election, and became prime minister because under election rules his party secured the most seats. The UK does not formally vote for the Prime Minister but there is a common understanding that the leader of the majority party becomes Prime Minister, and very many people vote party rather than candidate, so they effectively are voting for the Prime Minister. Liz Truss has not been leader of the party during an election, has not put forth a manifesto, and is acting very contrarily to the manifesto that her party was elevated upon. She has no mandate and her premiership has not been validated by a general vote. There's a significant likelihood that she would not survive a confidence vote in the House Of Commons, certainly not an honest one free of strategic partisanship.
She was elected MP by her constituency, and she was elected leader of the conservative party. She has not been elected to be Prime Minister by the people.
Yep. That is what I was trying to get over. I had to include 'to all intents and purposes' because it would have got nit-picked to death.
Boris and party candidates were elected through a general election.
Liz was elected internally by fellow MPs.
However, both were elected and formally became PM after being appointed. In the case of Truss she wasn't elected by the people though. That is what the OP was correctly saying.
"The European Union is, in theory, a force for good across Europe — just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country"
I had to laugh at that! The EU member countries comprise of two distinct types: a) the majority poorer ones that want EU subsidies and investment and b) the minority richer ones that want to control the others. The UK originally joined an "economic community", i.e. free-trade association, but the European project quickly transformed into a central bureaucracy that wanted to control every aspect of daily life of over half a billion citizens. Compulsory USB-C is a drop in the ocean compared to the tens of thousands of rules and regulations. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. The EU 'parliament' is purely a talking shop. The power rests with national governments and none of those wants the EU to be democratic as a democratic EU would take precedence. Taxation without representation. Power without accountability. The EU needs drastic reform to serve its citizens. These are some of the reasons the UK (narrowly) voted to leave the EU.
The USB-C debacle is wonderfully illustrative. The principle is noble - that there should be an open, common standard for device chargers in order to promote interoperability and save the annual disposal of millions of chargers. However, it is not for unelected bureaucrats with no technical knowledge, however well-advised, to be favouring one technical standard over another. It is for a global body such as the International Standards Organisation (ISO) to make suggestions in consultation with all the stakeholders. No, unelected EU bureaucrats will decide and for the EU only. It is not their competence, in every possible sense of the word.
Such it is for the size of bananas, which unit of weight they can be sold in, what you can call your pies, your electrical voltage, the height of your seat, the type of light bulb you allowed to buy, how many hours you can work, etc. tens of thousands of times over. That is what the EU did for us! Reform it drastically and the UK may rejoin. For now, the UK is starting to explore its new freedoms and remake old alliances.
Just for your information: the EU citizens are all very happy that the UK left. Good riddance. For decades the UK has stalled integration of the other EU countries by abusing their special privileges no other EU country had. It is quite refreshing to see that we can now make real progress. In addition it does not make sense to call EU officials non-elected. They are representatives of an election process. By the way, is the current UK prime minister elected by the people? Did not think so.
Liz Truss has been elected continually since 2010 as an MP. No UK PM has ever been "elected as a PM" by the people. The PM is appointed by the monarch. You don't have to be embarrassed by your mistake, most people living outside constitutional monarchies don't understand the process.
To be fair, 'elected' and 'appointed' are completely different processes.
Was the current PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, no. She was elected by party members and after that she was appointed PM.
Was the previous PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, yes. Through the 2019 General Election. Even if he was later formally appointed PM.
Whichever way you look at it both PMs were elected and then appointed and you can't reasonably be appointed unless you have been elected.
So, if you were appointed PM you were also elected too.
Not really. General elections are held on manifestos. Boris Johnson was the leader and main proponent of the conservative manifesto in the 2019 election, and became prime minister because under election rules his party secured the most seats. The UK does not formally vote for the Prime Minister but there is a common understanding that the leader of the majority party becomes Prime Minister, and very many people vote party rather than candidate, so they effectively are voting for the Prime Minister. Liz Truss has not been leader of the party during an election, has not put forth a manifesto, and is acting very contrarily to the manifesto that her party was elevated upon. She has no mandate and her premiership has not been validated by a general vote. There's a significant likelihood that she would not survive a confidence vote in the House Of Commons, certainly not an honest one free of strategic partisanship.
She was elected MP by her constituency, and she was elected leader of the conservative party. She has not been elected to be Prime Minister by the people.
Yep. That is what I was trying to get over. I had to include 'to all intents and purposes' because it would have got nit-picked to death.
Boris and party candidates were elected through a general election.
Liz was elected internally by fellow MPs.
Sadly not. If it was just down to the Parliamentary Conservative MPs then we would almost certainly have a different Prime Minister, likely Rishi Sunak. No, Liz Truss was voted for by the Conservative Party membership. It’s like if Joe Biden resigned or was removed, and then instead of Kamala Harris becoming the P, the National Democratic Party stage their own mini election to determine who gets the job. And then put in Marianne Williamson.
It’s stupid and a gaping hole in the UK’s parliamentary democracy and constitution. A fairly easily fixable one too.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
I'm really enjoying the freedom that the current UK government are enjoying in trashing the economy. Self immolation is a wonderful expression of uniqueness.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
I'm really enjoying the freedom that the current UK government are enjoying in trashing the economy. Self immolation is a wonderful expression of uniqueness.
You seem to be under the strange impression that by being members of the EU our current government, which is crap, putting it lightly, would be any better.
Brexit is not the cause of any of the current governmental missteps. What we have is a tired government that’s reached the end of the road, just like the Labour Government before it. These things seem to go in cycles.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
I'm really enjoying the freedom that the current UK government are enjoying in trashing the economy. Self immolation is a wonderful expression of uniqueness.
You seem to be under the strange impression that by being members of the EU our current government, which is crap, putting it lightly, would be any better.
Brexit is not the cause of any of the current governmental missteps. What we have is a tired government that’s reached the end of the road, just like the Labour Government before it. These things seem to go in cycles.
I think the government would be far better prepared for economic turbulence within the EU.
As was made clear from day one, you can't be better off out of the bloc than within it. Although I don't live in the UK, it certainly looks like the pain of being out is definitely being felt across the nation.
All my family, bar one, voted for Brexit. Quite why I'll never know. All my family bar one regrets voting leave.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
I'm really enjoying the freedom that the current UK government are enjoying in trashing the economy. Self immolation is a wonderful expression of uniqueness.
You seem to be under the strange impression that by being members of the EU our current government, which is crap, putting it lightly, would be any better.
Brexit is not the cause of any of the current governmental missteps. What we have is a tired government that’s reached the end of the road, just like the Labour Government before it. These things seem to go in cycles.
We have a government utterly fractured and incapable of making sensible choices because they're so rent by the trauma of exiting the EU. Sensible politicians are pushed out because they favour staying in the EU or having a healthy relationship with the EU and all that are left are nutball ideologues.
“ just ask anyone in Britain now they've found out how much the EU used to do for that country.”
I’m British and I’ll bite. I don’t think anyone here really feels any different outside of the EU than we did in it.
Sure, you’ll find a few leftist bloggers and voters who will ring their hands and beat their chests, but an average person?
Perhaps you’d like to list the many wonderful things the EU did for us that made the £12B we sent them worth it…
Not true at all, get out of your little bubble and you'll see how wrong you are.
And yet you’ve listed no reasons as to how I’m wrong.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
I'm really enjoying the freedom that the current UK government are enjoying in trashing the economy. Self immolation is a wonderful expression of uniqueness.
You seem to be under the strange impression that by being members of the EU our current government, which is crap, putting it lightly, would be any better.
Brexit is not the cause of any of the current governmental missteps. What we have is a tired government that’s reached the end of the road, just like the Labour Government before it. These things seem to go in cycles.
I think the government would be far better prepared for economic turbulence within the EU.
As was made clear from day one, you can't be better off out of the bloc than within it. Although I don't live in the UK, it certainly looks like the pain of being out is definitely being felt across the nation.
All my family, bar one, voted for Brexit. Quite why I'll never know. All my family bar one regrets voting leave.
Where are the positives of Brexit?
The EU has its own problems. The Germans are not going to want to bail out the Italians. Massive debts are being added to the member states which mean net contributors have to sort out their own problems along with those in trouble adding to their own problems. The Euro can be a benefit, it can also act like a noose around your neck.
There are pros and cons to being in the EU. It’s not all wonderful, just as it’s not all bad.
Brexit has only just happened and was immediately followed by Covid which was then immediately followed by Putin and his lunatic war.
It’s obviously going to take time for any benefits to run their way through. Most of the laws are still the same, not much has changed yet and so yes, there is little benefit received at this point. In another 10 years, if nothing good has come from it people can call it a failure at that point.
it’s like a fat person starting the C25K programme and saying after week two “hey, where are the benefits? I’m still fat and still can’t run 5K!!” It’s going to take time.
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Of course, this kind of legislation exists for a reason. Can you imagine what it would be like without it?
Was the current PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, no. She was elected by party members and after that she was appointed PM.
Was the previous PM elected PM by the people? To all reasonable intents and purposes, yes. Through the 2019 General Election. Even if he was later formally appointed PM.
Whichever way you look at it both PMs were elected and then appointed and you can't reasonably be appointed unless you have been elected.
So, if you were appointed PM you were also elected too.
She was elected MP by her constituency, and she was elected leader of the conservative party. She has not been elected to be Prime Minister by the people.
As I recall, the PM has to have been previously elected by some segment of the British population as a Minister of Parliament, correct? So s/he is, in fact, elected.
Boris and party candidates were elected through a general election.
Liz was elected internally by fellow MPs.
However, both were elected and formally became PM after being appointed. In the case of Truss she wasn't elected by the people though. That is what the OP was correctly saying.
It’s stupid and a gaping hole in the UK’s parliamentary democracy and constitution. A fairly easily fixable one too.
Leaving a union of any type is going to be bumpy, it’s like getting a divorce.
At least now we can make our own decisions. Does that mean that we will make some bad decisions? Absolutely. But at least they are ours to make.
Some in the U.K. were happy with the EU’s plan of ever closer union and natural erosion of the member states identity, sovereignty and unique characteristics. The majority were not.
I’m in the camp that voted to leave, obviously, but I’m also always happy to talk to those that voted remain.
Brexit is not the cause of any of the current governmental missteps. What we have is a tired government that’s reached the end of the road, just like the Labour Government before it. These things seem to go in cycles.
As was made clear from day one, you can't be better off out of the bloc than within it. Although I don't live in the UK, it certainly looks like the pain of being out is definitely being felt across the nation.
All my family, bar one, voted for Brexit. Quite why I'll never know. All my family bar one regrets voting leave.
Where are the positives of Brexit?
There are pros and cons to being in the EU. It’s not all wonderful, just as it’s not all bad.
Brexit has only just happened and was immediately followed by Covid which was then immediately followed by Putin and his lunatic war.
It’s obviously going to take time for any benefits to run their way through. Most of the laws are still the same, not much has changed yet and so yes, there is little benefit received at this point. In another 10 years, if nothing good has come from it people can call it a failure at that point.
it’s like a fat person starting the C25K programme and saying after week two “hey, where are the benefits? I’m still fat and still can’t run 5K!!” It’s going to take time.