Apple may want more Sunday Ticket flexibility than NFL will give

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Sunday Ticket talks between Apple TV+ and the NFL are said to have been slowed down by complex rights issues, with Apple looking for fewer restrictions.




The long-rumored deal for Apple TV+ to stream NFL Sunday Ticket was once even reported to have been concluded, but now it's in doubt.

According to CNBC, complex existing rights restrictions are limiting what the NFL is offering Apple -- and Apple wants more. Unspecified sources have said that talks are continuing, but separate deals such as those with Fox and CBS to air local games are proving a problem.

Just as it does with one-off Apple TV+ fare such as the Oscar-winning "CODA," Apple prefers to have exclusive, worldwide rights, even if it has to pay a great deal for them.

"We weren't interested in [just] buying sports rights," Apple's Eddy Cue said in a talk at the Paley Center for Media. ""There's all kinds of capabilities that we're going to be able to do together because we have everything together."

"And so if I have a great idea," he continued, "I don't have to think about, OK, well, my contract or the deal of interest will allow this."

Apple's aim is to follow how it has transformed Friday Night Baseball, as compared to the sport's previous regular broadcasts. It's likely to want the rights to show local games which are subject to blackout, and may also be seeking global rights where the NFL has previously sold US-only ones.

CNBC says that the NFL hopes to choose in the next ten weeks which streaming service will get Sunday Ticket. It's believed that the League is asking for between $2 billion and $3 billion annually.

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  • Reply 1 of 13
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobraOfer
  • Reply 2 of 13
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,283member
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.

    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    grandact73beowulfschmidt
  • Reply 3 of 13
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.

    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    These are considered "legal" monopolies. There's no real competition. 
    StrangeDaysdanoxOfer
  • Reply 4 of 13
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 2,000member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.

    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    When they start paying for their own stadiums and everything else instead is sucking at the government teat I’ll be there right behind you supporting that argument.   As it stands they are protected monopolies sucking at the government teat taking all sorts of tax payer money and enjoying government protection and exemptions from laws.   The tax payer ought to get something in return.  Android not just high ticket prices and concession prices.  

    Generally I am against government regulation and agree in principle with “why should they be forced to do anything “.   But if such things as government teats have to exist and they want that largesse they’ve put themselves into the position to be regulated and told what to do.  

     One of this affects me personally (above paying taxes) as I don’t watch sports and couldn’t care less about pro sports.   
    edited October 2022 StrangeDaysdanoxtdknoximax1Ofermuthuk_vanalingambeowulfschmidt
  • Reply 5 of 13
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,876member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    Why should the public continue to pay for massively expensive stadiums for billionaires to host games played by millionaires? The NFL and other leagues all expect and demand public subsides (corporate welfare), and routinely threaten if they do not get it. 

    Thus, if they want public money, they can expect public regulation. 

    Because I don’t see a single league offering to pay for their expensive stadiums out of their own pockets. They don’t want the “free market” when it comes to paying expenses — but they want the free market when it comes to profiting. This is called “subsidizing the risk, privatizing the profit”. It’s a con. 

    No need to defend the billionaire-class and their games.
    edited October 2022 tdknoximax1tokyojimuOfermuthuk_vanalingambeowulfschmidt
  • Reply 6 of 13
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,278member
    Football is the only sport I'm interested in watching, but the NFL is such a mess in terms of being able to seamlessly access their content (at a reasonable price) that I might give up on football, too. 

    More generally, streaming (and cable) are a mess. We need a Napster for video to force the content providers to make all of their content available across multiple platforms at a reasonable price. 
    pumpkin_kingOfer
  • Reply 7 of 13
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,847member
    Only the next CEO can change Apples content, streaming path of no focus, this sells nothing extra for Apple. And is just a bottomless pit of money down the drain.
    edited October 2022
  • Reply 8 of 13
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    Guys, professional sports leagues are complicated. The league is a business but each team is also its own business. And when you get 20-30+ billionaires in a room, they're bound to have some disagreements about what's in the best interest of the league and their individual operations.

    Since some people don't understand, it should be pointed out that stadium financing varies case by case. Sometimes the venue is largely financed through taxpayer funds (like via a bond measure).

    Some venues are almost completely privately funded.

    Oracle Park (originally Pacific Bell Park) -- the San Francisco Giants ballpark -- was almost completely funded by private sources. In fact, the team paid off its loan a few years ago and is in the clear. When the team owner threatened to move the franchise to St. Petersburg, FL, a new ownership group emerged to keep the team in San Francisco. Several attempts to get taxpayers to pay for a new stadium failed so the ownership group came up with a plan to use private investment.

    Even the Giants ownership group doesn't always agree amongst themselves so the decisions are mostly influenced by the majority owner despite the fact that person has a very low public profile and conducts business behind closed doors, away from television lights and press conferences.

    The Green Bay Packers are another example of varied ownership which is technically a publicly held non-profit group. Shareholders are limited to 200,000 shares which amounts to about 4% of outstanding shares at this time. Thus, there is no majority owner.

    So yeah, there's a representative from the Green Bay Packers ownership group (probably Mark Murphy, president) sitting next to Jerry Jones in league ownership meetings. But Murphy doesn't own the team, he represents the ownership group.
    gatorguyjellybelly
  • Reply 9 of 13
    JFC_PAJFC_PA Posts: 932member
    I wonder what are the % of various sports operating expenses comes from media rights? NASCAR car teams say their sport has about 20% of a teams budget covered by their tv contract share (venues get 65% of the tv revenue, the sanctioning body 10%): much of the rest are from sponsors; and they’re spiraling as sponsors rethink. 

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 13
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    Why should the public continue to pay for massively expensive stadiums for billionaires to host games played by millionaires? The NFL and other leagues all expect and demand public subsides (corporate welfare), and routinely threaten if they do not get it. 

    Thus, if they want public money, they can expect public regulation. 

    Because I don’t see a single league offering to pay for their expensive stadiums out of their own pockets. They don’t want the “free market” when it comes to paying expenses — but they want the free market when it comes to profiting. This is called “subsidizing the risk, privatizing the profit”. It’s a con. 

    No need to defend the billionaire-class and their games.
    Move to Russia, China or Ukraine, you will get your communist way of life. Many Sports teams fund their own stadiums like Giants and Warriors and still pay millions to the cities for basically doing nothing.

    so please educate yourself before spewing communist ignorance as if the world owes you.
    edited October 2022
  • Reply 11 of 13
    Madbum said:
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    Why should the public continue to pay for massively expensive stadiums for billionaires to host games played by millionaires? The NFL and other leagues all expect and demand public subsides (corporate welfare), and routinely threaten if they do not get it. 

    Thus, if they want public money, they can expect public regulation. 

    Because I don’t see a single league offering to pay for their expensive stadiums out of their own pockets. They don’t want the “free market” when it comes to paying expenses — but they want the free market when it comes to profiting. This is called “subsidizing the risk, privatizing the profit”. It’s a con. 

    No need to defend the billionaire-class and their games.
    Move to Russia, China or Ukraine, you will get your communist way of life. Many Sports teams fund their own stadiums like Giants and Warriors and still pay millions to the cities for basically doing nothing.

    so please educate yourself before spewing communist ignorance as if the world owes you.
    He wants public money to stop supporting rich people, and you call that communist? I'm not taking his side, I just don't understand how getting governments out of sports constitutes a communist ideology. Could you please educate me? I'm all ears, and I'm not being sarcastic or mean. I sincerely want to understand you.
    Oferjellybellydavbeowulfschmidt
  • Reply 12 of 13
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Madbum said:
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    Why should the public continue to pay for massively expensive stadiums for billionaires to host games played by millionaires? The NFL and other leagues all expect and demand public subsides (corporate welfare), and routinely threaten if they do not get it. 

    Thus, if they want public money, they can expect public regulation. 

    Because I don’t see a single league offering to pay for their expensive stadiums out of their own pockets. They don’t want the “free market” when it comes to paying expenses — but they want the free market when it comes to profiting. This is called “subsidizing the risk, privatizing the profit”. It’s a con. 

    No need to defend the billionaire-class and their games.
    Move to Russia, China or Ukraine, you will get your communist way of life. Many Sports teams fund their own stadiums like Giants and Warriors and still pay millions to the cities for basically doing nothing.

    so please educate yourself before spewing communist ignorance as if the world owes you.
    He wants public money to stop supporting rich people, and you call that communist? I'm not taking his side, I just don't understand how getting governments out of sports constitutes a communist ideology. Could you please educate me? I'm all ears, and I'm not being sarcastic or mean. I sincerely want to understand you.
    Anytime where there is public money in sports, it’s always been a partnership. Cities lease land or propose bonds to finance and in exchange, they get rich tax revenues or even piece of the team. 

    Nothing spells capitalism more than that.

    That guy is against public money for “rich people” because he believe all public money should go to him like in a socialist regime


    But the trend last 25 years has been private financing where the cities have made out like bandits, you can actually say the city of San Francisco robbed the Warriors blind  when they built chase center ! 



    That guy is against public money for “rich people” because he believe all public money should go to him like in a socialist regime


    edited October 2022
  • Reply 13 of 13
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,571member
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    mike1 said:
    rob53 said:
    Good luck on getting any concessions from the NFL, NBA or even MLB. If Congress really wanted something to do that would help people they would go after professional sports, forcing them to provide TV access to everyone instead of just specific cable/satellite channels. Professional sports are the same as auto dealerships, pharmaceuticals and the UAW, they are all corrupt and have bought politicians.
    Why should they be forced to do anything? Why is everyone entitled to access? If you want it, pay for it.
    Why should the public continue to pay for massively expensive stadiums for billionaires to host games played by millionaires? The NFL and other leagues all expect and demand public subsides (corporate welfare), and routinely threaten if they do not get it. 

    Thus, if they want public money, they can expect public regulation. 

    Because I don’t see a single league offering to pay for their expensive stadiums out of their own pockets. They don’t want the “free market” when it comes to paying expenses — but they want the free market when it comes to profiting. This is called “subsidizing the risk, privatizing the profit”. It’s a con. 

    No need to defend the billionaire-class and their games.
    Move to Russia, China or Ukraine, you will get your communist way of life. Many Sports teams fund their own stadiums like Giants and Warriors and still pay millions to the cities for basically doing nothing.

    so please educate yourself before spewing communist ignorance as if the world owes you.
    He wants public money to stop supporting rich people, and you call that communist? I'm not taking his side, I just don't understand how getting governments out of sports constitutes a communist ideology. Could you please educate me? I'm all ears, and I'm not being sarcastic or mean. I sincerely want to understand you.
    Anytime where there is public money in sports, it’s always been a partnership. Cities lease land or propose bonds to finance and in exchange, they get rich tax revenues or even piece of the team. 

    Nothing spells capitalism more than that.
    "Nothing spells capitalism more than governments investing in private enterprises." I understand you now.
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