Does this indicate Adobe’s decline in relevance? Years ago I was all in on Adobe. But they priced themselves out of the non-commercial market and I dropped them like a hot potato.
What a weird take. But I get it, you just wanted to old-man-at-clouds about Adobe's subscription pricing. Go ahead and review every other structured drawing program on the Mac or iOS. Guess what file format they all use—some of them wrapped in their own file package, but they're all EPS at the core. It's *the* mathematical model for object drawing.
More I'd say it indicates Preview.app's decline in relevance.
I don't think you understood where I was coming from.
I loved Adobe's products. I was all over Illustrator when it first came out. Learning about the power of splines and how easy it was to create smooth lines was an eye opener. Same with Photoshop. I read through their beautifully crafted manuals (way back when they made such things) and devoured everything. Same with PageMaker and then InDesign.
I rarely used those those tools for commercial work - mostly for my own creative endeavors. Then Adobe jacked up it's prices by something like 300-400%. It was outrageous. Later they went to a subscription model - all geared toward commercial production and cutting out the home user market. The price elasticity curve didn't include home or casual users. Microsoft certainly markets to corporate users. But they never forgot home users. Adobe left us high and dry. Fortunately, we now have much less expensive alternatives, many of which have similar interfaces that Adobe pioneered.
Doubling down on the Adobe complaints unrelated to PS/EPS is also a weird take.
As far as your complaints... They're professional tools built for professionals. And, the software was never cheap — in 2000, Illustrator 9 was $399 which is $688 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Photoshop 5.5 was $609, which would be over a grand now! And, that was even with "NEW LOWER PRICING": https://web.archive.org/web/20000815052916/http://www.adobe.com/store/main.html
I don't know what Illustrator debuted at, but Photoshop 1.0 was $895 in 1990 — over $2000 in adjusted dollars. The last non-subscription version of Illustrator was CS6, and it alone was $600.
So, I call BS on your claims that Adobe "jacked up their prices".
They have Ps and Pr Elements for casual users who want those. Otherwise, yes, you're better off with Affinity or other options out there for casual users. For me, the CC subscription is a bargain.
Does this indicate Adobe’s decline in relevance? Years ago I was all in on Adobe. But they priced themselves out of the non-commercial market and I dropped them like a hot potato.
What a weird take. But I get it, you just wanted to old-man-at-clouds about Adobe's subscription pricing. Go ahead and review every other structured drawing program on the Mac or iOS. Guess what file format they all use—some of them wrapped in their own file package, but they're all EPS at the core. It's *the* mathematical model for object drawing.
More I'd say it indicates Preview.app's decline in relevance.
I don't think you understood where I was coming from.
I loved Adobe's products. I was all over Illustrator when it first came out. Learning about the power of splines and how easy it was to create smooth lines was an eye opener. Same with Photoshop. I read through their beautifully crafted manuals (way back when they made such things) and devoured everything. Same with PageMaker and then InDesign.
I rarely used those those tools for commercial work - mostly for my own creative endeavors. Then Adobe jacked up it's prices by something like 300-400%. It was outrageous. Later they went to a subscription model - all geared toward commercial production and cutting out the home user market. The price elasticity curve didn't include home or casual users. Microsoft certainly markets to corporate users. But they never forgot home users. Adobe left us high and dry. Fortunately, we now have much less expensive alternatives, many of which have similar interfaces that Adobe pioneered.
Doubling down on the Adobe complaints unrelated to PS/EPS is also a weird take.
As far as your complaints... They're professional tools built for professionals. And, the software was never cheap — in 2000, Illustrator 9 was $399 which is $688 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Photoshop 5.5 was $609, which would be over a grand now! And, that was even with "NEW LOWER PRICING": https://web.archive.org/web/20000815052916/http://www.adobe.com/store/main.html
I don't know what Illustrator debuted at, but Photoshop 1.0 was $895 in 1990 — over $2000 in adjusted dollars. The last non-subscription version of Illustrator was CS6, and it alone was $600.
So, I call BS on your claims that Adobe "jacked up their prices".
They have Ps and Pr Elements for casual users who want those. Otherwise, yes, you're better off with Affinity or other options out there for casual users. For me, the CC subscription is a bargain.
I bought both Illustrator and Photoshop when they first came out in the late 1980s. Perhaps that was before your time and before any of your data points. It’s not BS.
Maybe they are saving a bit of licensing fees for ps and eps?
Notably NeXTStep featured DisplayPostScript: that is, everything was generated as PostScript and then displayed on screen.
When Mac OS X came along, they replaced that idea with Quartz: PDF rendered on screen.
i expect they’re actually seeking to remove a vector for security vulnerabilities, now that PostScript isn’t so common as an interchange format there’s no reason for Preview to have to support that whole programming language and the complexity (and potential bugs!) that it requires.
Does this indicate Adobe’s decline in relevance? Years ago I was all in on Adobe. But they priced themselves out of the non-commercial market and I dropped them like a hot potato.
What a weird take. But I get it, you just wanted to old-man-at-clouds about Adobe's subscription pricing. Go ahead and review every other structured drawing program on the Mac or iOS. Guess what file format they all use—some of them wrapped in their own file package, but they're all EPS at the core. It's *the* mathematical model for object drawing.
More I'd say it indicates Preview.app's decline in relevance.
I don't think you understood where I was coming from.
I loved Adobe's products. I was all over Illustrator when it first came out. Learning about the power of splines and how easy it was to create smooth lines was an eye opener. Same with Photoshop. I read through their beautifully crafted manuals (way back when they made such things) and devoured everything. Same with PageMaker and then InDesign.
I rarely used those those tools for commercial work - mostly for my own creative endeavors. Then Adobe jacked up it's prices by something like 300-400%. It was outrageous. Later they went to a subscription model - all geared toward commercial production and cutting out the home user market. The price elasticity curve didn't include home or casual users. Microsoft certainly markets to corporate users. But they never forgot home users. Adobe left us high and dry. Fortunately, we now have much less expensive alternatives, many of which have similar interfaces that Adobe pioneered.
Doubling down on the Adobe complaints unrelated to PS/EPS is also a weird take.
As far as your complaints... They're professional tools built for professionals. And, the software was never cheap — in 2000, Illustrator 9 was $399 which is $688 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Photoshop 5.5 was $609, which would be over a grand now! And, that was even with "NEW LOWER PRICING": https://web.archive.org/web/20000815052916/http://www.adobe.com/store/main.html
I don't know what Illustrator debuted at, but Photoshop 1.0 was $895 in 1990 — over $2000 in adjusted dollars. The last non-subscription version of Illustrator was CS6, and it alone was $600.
So, I call BS on your claims that Adobe "jacked up their prices".
They have Ps and Pr Elements for casual users who want those. Otherwise, yes, you're better off with Affinity or other options out there for casual users. For me, the CC subscription is a bargain.
I bought both Illustrator and Photoshop when they first came out in the late 1980s. Perhaps that was before your time and before any of your data points. It’s not BS.
Seems like you didn't even really read my reply and are dismissing it for no reason, as one of my data points was literally the price of Photoshop 1.0 in 1990. I was a Photoshop 1.0 user btw; I've been making art on computers since the Commodore 64 and Koala Pad.
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As far as your complaints... They're professional tools built for professionals. And, the software was never cheap — in 2000, Illustrator 9 was $399 which is $688 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Photoshop 5.5 was $609, which would be over a grand now! And, that was even with "NEW LOWER PRICING":
https://web.archive.org/web/20000815052916/http://www.adobe.com/store/main.html
I don't know what Illustrator debuted at, but Photoshop 1.0 was $895 in 1990 — over $2000 in adjusted dollars. The last non-subscription version of Illustrator was CS6, and it alone was $600.
So, I call BS on your claims that Adobe "jacked up their prices".
They have Ps and Pr Elements for casual users who want those. Otherwise, yes, you're better off with Affinity or other options out there for casual users. For me, the CC subscription is a bargain.
When Mac OS X came along, they replaced that idea with Quartz: PDF rendered on screen.
i expect they’re actually seeking to remove a vector for security vulnerabilities, now that PostScript isn’t so common as an interchange format there’s no reason for Preview to have to support that whole programming language and the complexity (and potential bugs!) that it requires.