Twitter staff nearly decimated by Musk's 'extremely hardcore' demand

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  • Reply 41 of 98
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,086member
    What I'd really like to see is some of these current twitter employees meet up and take concerted action to establish a union. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
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  • Reply 42 of 98
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    xbit said:
    Madbum said:

    just managment doing their thing. Elon has succeeded at everything, no reason to think he won’t here 
    He didn't succeed at keeping his wife.

    If you want to keep with the sports team analogies, go read The Damned Utd by David Peace. Very apt.
    Actually, he didn’t want to keep that wife
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  • Reply 43 of 98
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    This is essentially a test from Musk.

    basically he wants the people who would be offended by boss asking them to work hard to leave. Conversely,  The people who don’t mind being asked to world hard is who he wants to keep

    in other words , he is actually getting people who he doesn’t want to leave on their own without having to fire them

    its friggin genius 
    edited November 2022 dewmewilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 98
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,809member
    xbit said:
    Madbum said:

    just managment doing their thing. Elon has succeeded at everything, no reason to think he won’t here 
    He didn't succeed at keeping his wife.

    If you want to keep with the sports team analogies, go read The Damned Utd by David Peace. Very apt.
    Neither did Bill Gates, and Jeff Besos
    Which says something about the kind of people that become billionaires
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  • Reply 45 of 98
    Fred257 said:
    I just want to say that all of this publicity with Musks management style is going to hurt workers in the future. Especially if he’s successful. This is how he runs his very successful companies 
    Which successful companies are you referring to? SpaceX and Boring both lose money. Tesla is solvent due to a government incentive program and has yet to be profitable in its own right. 

    Why is it that Elon Stans know the least about him?
    Indeed.  No one buys an electric vehicle because it will save money and work better than ICE cars, they are bought due to govt agenda.
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  • Reply 46 of 98
    ronnronn Posts: 668member
    A very stable genius. Not!!
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  • Reply 47 of 98
    jungmark said:
    I wish I had 44 billion to waste by killing a company. 
    Then you are a fool. Musk does not want to kill it. Now may be a time to join Twitter. No more freeloading in the company.
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  • Reply 48 of 98
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,046member
    This won’t succeed. Musk clearly didn’t have a plan for any of this. He was swinging his phallus around for kicks when he threatened to buy Twitter, and then got boxed in legally and contractually, so he had to pony up $44B he hadn’t really intended to spend. 

    Unable psychologically to process the humiliation, he did what narcissists do and doubled down. So he moved in with his sink, fired management and quickly learned that $44B alone still doesn’t buy loyalty. So he fired half the company indiscriminately. Then he tried to hire some back, because he actually needed some of the folks he’d already canned. Now he’s done his little ultimatum, trying to change the workforce of an established company into the workforce of a startup, but through threats rather than enticements to work hard for the stock options of a new Next Big Thing. 

    So here we are looking at a company with infrastructure teetering on the verge of collapse and a major usage stressor heading straight for it. The few people left who could try to prepare have been sent home for the weekend. When the proverbial rivets pop, the whole thing will cascade down into a heap. 

    Soon, Musk will have spent $44B on a logo, some broken, used hardware, and a small workforce consisting of a few who think this is great and the rest who didn’t think three months would be enough time to find a new job. Also, by that point this company will have no income and won’t be a good risk for investment. 

    I suppose he could cash out the user data, but how much of that hasn’t been scraped and sold to Big Data already? Probably not $44B worth. 
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  • Reply 49 of 98
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,046member
    Madbum said:
    This is essentially a test from Musk.

    basically he wants the people who would be offended by boss asking them to work hard to leave. Conversely,  The people who don’t mind being asked to world hard is who he wants to keep

    in other words , he is actually getting people who he doesn’t want to leave on their own without having to fire them

    its friggin genius 
    Not genius. He is getting the people who, for various reasons, don’t feel they have a better option. 

    Given the choice, people who are willing to “work hard” don’t extend that willingness to do so for an arbitrary and compulsive boss. The particularly talented and brilliant folks expect to be valued, not given a loyalty test. Those most valuable workers will respond to that test by talking their talents elsewhere. 

    Musk hasn’t filtered out the lazy people. He’s filtered out the people who’ll take the bet that three months is plenty of time to find a better gig and who would prefer to be ahead of the remaining folks who will have to look for a job soon anyway when the company collapses. 
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  • Reply 50 of 98
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,423member
    Amazing how so many people who see this as a political exorcism can’t see the simple numbers. The staffing is maybe down to 900 people from about 4x that amount just weeks ago. Even if 30% of the original amount were superfluous, organizations don’t get gutted like this and still prosper. Witness the fact that some of those originally laid off had to be hired back because the reduction in headcount was overzealous and indiscriminate. And hiring skilled replacements is impossible when the workplace is publicly seen as unstable. 

    The core of the engineering team left yesterday, discouraged by the way Musk has handled the HR side of dealing with the employees, preferring a combative approach. If anything, this chapter in Musk’s career should put an end to the myth of Musk as a genius—he’s handling this like a moody teenager with scores to settle. 

    The numbers thing does seem to point to a process that has gone a bit too far. There's often a notion or perception, misguided or otherwise, of "cutting the fat" that takes place whenever companies embark on large scale layoffs. Musk's actions so far seem like he's lopping off limbs that could render the continued operation of the company at its current levels impossible. But we won't really know for sure until we see Musk's next move.

    I don't think Musk is stupid, but I do think he is extremely arrogant by assuming that all of the employees who were laid off or decided to quit due to his demand for unbalanced commitment to his cause were expendable. I think that most people who work in a larger organization have an opinion that some of their coworkers are not pulling their fair share of the burden and that there is some deadwood in the ranks. Whenever a company expands its workforce in a boom environment some folks who perhaps should not have been hired end up warming seats and not much else. However, there are some things that have to take place and work that has to get done to keep the lights on that requires a stratification of talent across different levels of the organization. The so-called elite performers aren't going to want to do a lot of those jobs, but those jobs still exist and you need real people to fill in those roles. It sounds like Musk wants a smaller elites-only workforce to rule over. All I can say is "good luck with that." He'd better start hiring outsiders, contractors, or outsourcing to fill in the holes he's left.

    One thing that strikes me about Musk's approach so far is how it relates to the "carrot and stick" model of motivation. So far it's been all stick all of the time. He's been the big d*ck with a big stick slashing and burning through the ranks on a mass culling mission. Assuming he's not stupid, which is a very reasonable assumption given his track record of success, he's going to have to break out the carrot at some point. There's a part of me that believes that once the culling and purge phase is over, he will offer a very substantial motivational carrot to those who decided to take him up on his challenge. With the payroll reduced by over 80% he can now throw some serious money and incentives at those who chose to stay and run the gauntlet. Doing something along this line would, in my mind at least, provide an hint of credibility to his tactics thus far. Otherwise, it's all been just an extremely uncool exercise in cruelty and unbridled wielding of power.

    Some may ask “why not show the carrot now?” Very easy answer. The people Musk really wants to stay aren’t motivated by the money. Getting extra financial compensation is nice, like a vote of confidence or pat on the back, but it’s not a primary motivator for the type of people who sign up to run this kind of gauntlet. The primary motivator is getting the job done in a way that makes a difference and is something you are proud to have accomplished for yourself and for your team. Winning matters. 

    Of course he can still fail miserably because he's assuming he can win the war using only a battalion of Special Forces with no regular army ready to come in afterwards. Perhaps he sees this as only being a matter of timing and will staff-up the regulars later, after he's established a solid front on what Twitter 2 is going to be based and knowing that the "regulars" he'll need later aren't the regulars he has today. Why carry them on the books if the need for them is still in flux? He doesn't have to win the war now, but he has to at least get to the battlefield and establish a line.

    This is all just wild speculation and a theory that's based on my assumption that Musk is not an idiot, not by any stretch of the imagination, and actually has a plan or is formulating a plan on the fly. It makes much more sense to me than the "blow it all up and sell the wreckage for scrap or bankruptcy" theories.
    edited November 2022 muthuk_vanalingamDAalsethroundaboutnowstompywatto_cobraFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 51 of 98
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    AppleZulu said:
    Madbum said:
    This is essentially a test from Musk.

    basically he wants the people who would be offended by boss asking them to work hard to leave. Conversely,  The people who don’t mind being asked to world hard is who he wants to keep

    in other words , he is actually getting people who he doesn’t want to leave on their own without having to fire them

    its friggin genius 
    Not genius. He is getting the people who, for various reasons, don’t feel they have a better option. 

    Given the choice, people who are willing to “work hard” don’t extend that willingness to do so for an arbitrary and compulsive boss. The particularly talented and brilliant folks expect to be valued, not given a loyalty test. Those most valuable workers will respond to that test by talking their talents elsewhere. 

    Musk hasn’t filtered out the lazy people. He’s filtered out the people who’ll take the bet that three months is plenty of time to find a better gig and who would prefer to be ahead of the remaining folks who will have to look for a job soon anyway when the company collapses. 
    We will see,
    dewmewilliamlondon
  • Reply 52 of 98
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    People are forgetting one thing

    why did Musk buy this company?

    He didn’t like the one sided biased and filtering of free speech. The old Twitter team likely though Sam Bankman-Fried and all of his donations to a certain D party made him a model Twitter citizen lol

    He is simply cleaning out the people who made Twitter what it was, the exact reason he bought the company, to change it from what it was

    Do you do that by keeping everything the same?


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  • Reply 53 of 98
    Amazing how so many people who see this as a political exorcism can’t see the simple numbers. The staffing is maybe down to 900 people from about 4x that amount just weeks ago. Even if 30% of the original amount were superfluous, organizations don’t get gutted like this and still prosper. Witness the fact that some of those originally laid off had to be hired back because the reduction in headcount was overzealous and indiscriminate. And hiring skilled replacements is impossible when the workplace is publicly seen as unstable. 

    The core of the engineering team left yesterday, discouraged by the way Musk has handled the HR side of dealing with the employees, preferring a combative approach. If anything, this chapter in Musk’s career should put an end to the myth of Musk as a genius—he’s handling this like a moody teenager with scores to settle. 
    4x? More like 8x. 4 x 900 = 3,600. 8 x 900 = 7,200. IOW, he’s lost ~88% of Twitter employees in 2 weeks.
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  • Reply 54 of 98
    Fred257 said:
    I just want to say that all of this publicity with Musks management style is going to hurt workers in the future. Especially if he’s successful. This is how he runs his very successful companies 
    Which successful companies are you referring to? SpaceX and Boring both lose money. Tesla is solvent due to a government incentive program and has yet to be profitable in its own right. 

    Why is it that Elon Stans know the least about him?
    Indeed.  No one buys an electric vehicle because it will save money and work better than ICE cars, they are bought due to govt agenda.
    That’s a lovely tinfoil hat, but you are thinking of the wrong incentive. 
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  • Reply 55 of 98
    Smart man. He knows the Twitter staff had a culture of hate toward him. He’s weeding out the underminers, the liabilities, and recreating the staff according to people who share ideals rather than having his own workforce fight against him both publicly and secretly while taking his paychecks. 

    Twitter has needed the poop cleaned out of the cage for a long time. Glad to see it finally happening. 

    Going to be a much better operation. 
    Is there no limit how far your tongue will reach up his rectum? Your fawning support of this narcissist is disgusting.
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  • Reply 56 of 98
    DAalseth said:
    LOL Those posts here saying that Musk is just clearing out the dead wood, that Twitter staff was full of people that weren’t working hard, weren’t pulling their weight really crack me up. Do you really think that 75%+ of the staff weren’t needed? Do you really think the site that had trouble staying up last World Cup will do just fine with not just people, but whole departments gone? With Content Moderation crippled? With  Public Relations and Communications dark? With most of the programmers and infrastructure people not there, or at best spending time looking to get out? Do you honestly think that by selectively driving away the most experienced, most talented, most capable members of the staff, the site will somehow work better? 

    Get real. This fiasco will be used by business schools in the future of exactly how not to take over a company. As an example of precisely how not to treat your staff. As Exhibit A of managers that did not know WTH they were doing. 
    Sycophancy and hero worship alter a person's personality and make them think and believe the weirdest things, but worst of all is their own inferiority they accept and promote.
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  • Reply 57 of 98
    Musk's idol is Tesla, an inventor who died broke. Will they share the same fate?
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  • Reply 58 of 98
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,199member
    DAalseth said:
    xbit said:
    Madbum said:

    just managment doing their thing. Elon has succeeded at everything, no reason to think he won’t here 
    He didn't succeed at keeping his wife.

    If you want to keep with the sports team analogies, go read The Damned Utd by David Peace. Very apt.
    Neither did Bill Gates, and Jeff Besos
    Which says something about the kind of people that become billionaires
    Well, yes of course, that and maybe also the type of woman who pursues them.

    thqt said, almost half of all marriages end in divorce (although serial divorcees skew the proportion), and separation is quite a lot higher in common law marriages. Relationships need work.
    DAalsethwatto_cobra
  • Reply 59 of 98
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,984member
    If you want to buy a bad fit and finish Tesla in Northern California, there will be many to choose from in the coming months, making enemies of that first adopter crowd who bought those Tesla cars and the stock shares, isn’t smart, the honeymoon now is over.

    Elon who is very sensitive to free speech directed at him isn’t going like the new wide open eyes, and with all the other new electric vehicles currently hitting the market, the Tesla marketshare will now sink at a even faster pace thanks to Twitter.

    Beyond Stupid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJdo0bhu9g
    edited November 2022 williamlondonwatto_cobratmay
  • Reply 60 of 98
    DAalseth said:
    pjohnt said:
    "Decimated" literally means to reduce by 10%.  This word is used incorrectly all the time.
    Yes it is. Bugs the heck out of me too. Better to use something like “nearly wiped out”, or to be a bit more sensational “devastated”. 
    Then again, dictionaries give the modern meaning while also showing the historical one. Language changes, it seems. 
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