How Apple avoided Big Tech's mass layoffs

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Apple has not had to make thousands of employees redundant because it was careful not to hire too many over the pandemic -- and new figures show just how careful it was.




Tim Cook has already said that Apple is being cautious in its recruitment following the pandemic and the downturn that's led to massive job cuts in Big Tech firms. What he hasn't mentioned is that Apple was also careful not to over-recruit when the pandemic was its worst.

According to new figures from Bloomberg, the number of Apple employees grew 20% between 2020 and 2022. That compares to a 60% increase at Alphabet, Google's parent company, and close to 100% at Amazon and Salesforce.

That isn't a near-doubling of employee numbers, but it is almost a doubling of how many new hires were added to the pre-COVID staffing levels.

Apple was already recruiting more cautiously throughout the pandemic (source: Bloomberg)
Apple was already recruiting more cautiously throughout the pandemic (source: Bloomberg)


Meta, Facebook's parent, added approximately 90% more employees than before, while Microsoft took on just over 50% extra.

Apart from Apple, every one of these firms has subsequently had to lay off thousands of people. In Amazon's case, it cut 18,000 jobs, while both Google and Microsoft laid off over 10,000.

Apple gets more from its staff

Bloomberg figures also estimate that Apple has generated much more revenue per additional employee during the pandemic years.

Of the major tech companies, only Apple and Alphabet increased their average revenue per employee. Alphabet's increase, though, was not statistically significant, where Apple more than doubled its revenue per person.

Apple is also shedding staff, but at a fraction of the numbers from other firms. In August 2022, it laid off 100 recruiters, for instance.

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  • Reply 1 of 12
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,297member
    I might suggest that on some level this means that Apple values its employees, where those other companies view them as tools to an end to be picked up and dropped as need be. 

    And/or it could just be a result of a company that looks long term compared to those other companies that only see what profits can be made immediately, this quarter, out of the current situation. Apple has a history of taking the long view and seeing trends before they become obvious to everyone. Perhaps they, unlike Amazon and Alphabet, understood that the pandemic was a temporary glitch and more long term success would be assured by planning accordingly.
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  • Reply 2 of 12
    DAalseth said:
    I might suggest that on some level this means that Apple values its employees, where those other companies view them as tools to an end to be picked up and dropped as need be. 

    And/or it could just be a result of a company that looks long term compared to those other companies that only see what profits can be made immediately, this quarter, out of the current situation. Apple has a history of taking the long view and seeing trends before they become obvious to everyone. Perhaps they, unlike Amazon and Alphabet, understood that the pandemic was a temporary glitch and more long term success would be assured by planning accordingly.
    Apple doesn’t value their employees anymore than any other company. If the time comes that they need to dump employees they will. Like every other publicly traded company their primary obligation is to shareholders.
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  • Reply 3 of 12
    Contractors.  Report on that.  They use a ton over the years instead of hiring full time employees. 
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  • Reply 4 of 12
    Foresight and careful practices. 

    Apple acting like a startup with everything to lose even when they are huge with room to make mistakes, is why they are so successful year after year for two decades now. 

    they do t get sloppy just because there is money to spare. Wise spending leads to minimal losses and healthy profits all the time. 
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  • Reply 5 of 12
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 1,109member
    Contractors.  Report on that.  They use a ton over the years instead of hiring full time employees. 
    Contractors get their money’s worth AND they know what they’re getting into from the very beginning. Nothing ethically wrong with this. 
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  • Reply 6 of 12
    mac_dog said:
    Contractors.  Report on that.  They use a ton over the years instead of hiring full time employees. 
    Contractors get their money’s worth AND they know what they’re getting into from the very beginning. Nothing ethically wrong with this. 

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  • Reply 7 of 12
    Sorry didn’t mean to repost that.  I was just going to say I don’t think there is anything ethically wrong with it.  I’m just saying that’s why they don’t have layoffs.  Had they hired full time people instead they would have layoffs just like anyone else 
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  • Reply 8 of 12
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,887member
    DAalseth said:
    I might suggest that on some level this means that Apple values its employees, where those other companies view them as tools to an end to be picked up and dropped as need be. 

    And/or it could just be a result of a company that looks long term compared to those other companies that only see what profits can be made immediately, this quarter, out of the current situation. Apple has a history of taking the long view and seeing trends before they become obvious to everyone. Perhaps they, unlike Amazon and Alphabet, understood that the pandemic was a temporary glitch and more long term success would be assured by planning accordingly.
    All those other companies are primarily software companies (some with me too half hearted hardware). Where as Apple software supports the hardware as needed, Apples hardware is the primary source of income and profit, those other companies are not even close to being equivalent to Apple, hardware also takes more precision when planning for the future, adding bodies or getting rid of bodies just by itself, will not work even at retail level for Apple as a vertical company.
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  • Reply 9 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    Apple has avoided big layoffs because it did not have to scale the employee count up to meet the demand created as a result of the pandemic.

    Amazon was directly impacted and had literally no option but to massively expand its headcount, both in return/logistics and AWS. 

    As cloud activity ballooned, the big cloud players all had to expand operations to compensate. 

    Apple wasn't as exposed as the others and now the effects of the pandemic are adjusting back down (coupled with an economic downturn).

    The economic downturn will affect Apple, though. YoY iPhone sales for the traditional blowout quarter at Apple are reportedly down 41% in Spain for example. 
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  • Reply 10 of 12
    lukeilukei Posts: 411member
    Supply chain issues are to blame for most of the down tick in sales 

    avon b7 said:
    Apple has avoided big layoffs because it did not have to scale the employee count up to meet the demand created as a result of the pandemic.

    Amazon was directly impacted and had literally no option but to massively expand its headcount, both in return/logistics and AWS. 

    As cloud activity ballooned, the big cloud players all had to expand operations to compensate. 

    Apple wasn't as exposed as the others and now the effects of the pandemic are adjusting back down (coupled with an economic downturn).

    The economic downturn will affect Apple, though. YoY iPhone sales for the traditional blowout quarter at Apple are reportedly down 41% in Spain for example. 

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  • Reply 11 of 12
    Xedxed Posts: 3,259member
    avon b7 said:
    Amazon was directly impacted and had literally no option but to massively expand its headcount, both in return/logistics and AWS. 
    I'd love to see your states about Amazon layoffs showing that they occurred only at (I'll even take primarily at) "return/logistics and AWS" since you claim that is the only reason Amazon had to "massively expand its headcount" which it now no longer needs.
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  • Reply 12 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    Xed said:
    avon b7 said:
    Amazon was directly impacted and had literally no option but to massively expand its headcount, both in return/logistics and AWS. 
    I'd love to see your states about Amazon layoffs showing that they occurred only at (I'll even take primarily at) "return/logistics and AWS" since you claim that is the only reason Amazon had to "massively expand its headcount" which it now no longer needs.
    Well, auto correct changed 'retail' to 'return' but Amazon got a double whammy in the sense that demand for online purchases skyrocketed as people were in various levels of lockdown and also changing their habits by moving more work activities online. AWS demand also increased.

    As people get back into old habits and Covid restrictions are lifted, things readjust. Throw in an economic downturn in many parts of the world in which people have less disposable income and companies, that had to expand to accommodate one situation, contract to accommodate another. 
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