Apple launches Apple Music Classical app

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  • Reply 41 of 82
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    AppleZuluOfer9secondkox2Spitbathstompymuthuk_vanalingamjeffharrisbyronl
  • Reply 42 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    It’s weird how some people will spend their time arguing that something they don’t know about and aren’t interested in shouldn’t exist for anyone else. 

    Ironically, the entire classical music catalog will continue to be available in the regular music app, so the existence of the new app literally has no effect whatsoever on someone who doesn’t want to use it. 
    OferSpitbathstompymuthuk_vanalingamdewmejeffharrisbyronl
  • Reply 43 of 82
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,907member
    AppleZulu said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser…

    you clearly don’t understand how tech works to enable the enjoyment of various music genres and want the world to cater to whatever preference you have, you you can tuck your own neck back into that shell and come out when it’s safe for non-thinkers.  
    The fact that Apple has spent over a year and a lot of money to create a Classical Music app says you’re wrong. 
    Apple spent far more than that on the trash can Mac Pro. 

    Doesn’t mean it was the right thing to do. 
  • Reply 44 of 82
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,907member
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    Everyone has been complaining. 

    But they all aren’t getting their preferred genre in its own app. 

    Better to address concerns throughout the app rather than make yet another app for people to have to install. 

    So next, the heavy metal app is coming out? No need to see those fluffy hip hop recommendations anymore… 

    music belongs in the music , app, sorted by genre. Boom. Done. 
    d_2
  • Reply 45 of 82
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,907member
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    No bloat and no muddling. A search filter. 

    Actually, you don’t even need that. Each genre tab can have its own search feature that is confined to that genre. 

    So many solutions thst don’t involve jumping through hoops and make the whole thing better for everyone. When I’m out for a run or walk, I don’t want to have to switch apps to switch genres. 
  • Reply 46 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    No bloat and no muddling. A search filter. 

    Actually, you don’t even need that. Each genre tab can have its own search feature that is confined to that genre. 

    So many solutions thst don’t involve jumping through hoops and make the whole thing better for everyone. When I’m out for a run or walk, I don’t want to have to switch apps to switch genres. 
    Then don’t. You won’t have to. 

    You’re complaining about nothing, and you keep coming back for more nothing. 
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  • Reply 47 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    Everyone has been complaining. 

    But they all aren’t getting their preferred genre in its own app. 

    Better to address concerns throughout the app rather than make yet another app for people to have to install. 

    So next, the heavy metal app is coming out? No need to see those fluffy hip hop recommendations anymore… 

    music belongs in the music , app, sorted by genre. Boom. Done. 
    You made it clear the first time. You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re determined to make sure everyone knows it. We’ve got it. 
    gregoriusmSpitbathstompy9secondkox2djames4242muthuk_vanalingamsloaahmacgui
  • Reply 48 of 82
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 


    Your last bit there is just wrong. Classical music is very different from pop, and generally, even jazz. Unfortunately, it’s much more complicated.
    9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingammacguiAppleZulujeffharris
  • Reply 49 of 82
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,907member
    AppleZulu said:
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    Everyone has been complaining. 

    But they all aren’t getting their preferred genre in its own app. 

    Better to address concerns throughout the app rather than make yet another app for people to have to install. 

    So next, the heavy metal app is coming out? No need to see those fluffy hip hop recommendations anymore… 

    music belongs in the music , app, sorted by genre. Boom. Done. 
    You made it clear the first time. You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re determined to make sure everyone knows it. We’ve got it. 
    Incorrect. I know plenty. Started playing violin in jr high and classical was my first musical love. 

    But you don’t have a point so you build a straw man. 

    You:
    “Apple did something so it must be the only way to go and if you don’t agree, I’ll cry endlessly.”

    Me:
    “It’s better to have all the music in one app and use any deficiencies to make that app better. We don’t need a different app for every little thing.”

    Next you’ll be praising a separate classic movies app for the old black and whites. 

    Apples resurrection came about by simplifying and refining everything. Now, it is starting to look like clutter again. 
    edited March 2023
  • Reply 50 of 82
    Appleish said:

    Apple Music whacks Spotify, yet again.

    cringe 
    9secondkox2
  • Reply 51 of 82
    JapheyJaphey Posts: 1,770member
    I’m thinking a big reason Apple is splitting off classical into its own app is because they are going to offer a stand-alone subscription to it somewhere down the road. Include it free with the basic Music subscription, but offer a classical only sub for say, $4.99. Makes sense to me and it alleviates every issue that people here have brought forth. 
  • Reply 52 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    AppleZulu said:
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    Everyone has been complaining. 

    But they all aren’t getting their preferred genre in its own app. 

    Better to address concerns throughout the app rather than make yet another app for people to have to install. 

    So next, the heavy metal app is coming out? No need to see those fluffy hip hop recommendations anymore… 

    music belongs in the music , app, sorted by genre. Boom. Done. 
    You made it clear the first time. You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re determined to make sure everyone knows it. We’ve got it. 
    Incorrect. I know plenty. Started playing violin in jr high and classical was my first musical love. 

    But you don’t have a point so you build a straw man. 

    You:
    “Apple did something so it must be the only way to go and if you don’t agree, I’ll cry endlessly.”

    Me:
    “It’s better to have all the music in one app and use any deficiencies to make that app better. We don’t need a different app for every little thing.”

    Next you’ll be praising a separate classic movies app for the old black and whites. 

    Apples resurrection came about by simplifying and refining everything. Now, it is starting to look like clutter again. 
    Project much? You’re the one crying endlessly over nothing, and it appears you also don’t know what a “straw man” is. If you don’t download the new app nothing will change for you. The classical catalog will continue to be available in the Apple Music app, with no additional code for additional functions bloating that app. If you don’t want the thing, you won’t have the thing. It is literally the opposite of clutter. 
    edited March 2023 muthuk_vanalingam9secondkox2stompyjeffharrisSpitbathbyronl
  • Reply 53 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    Japhey said:
    I’m thinking a big reason Apple is splitting off classical into its own app is because they are going to offer a stand-alone subscription to it somewhere down the road. Include it free with the basic Music subscription, but offer a classical only sub for say, $4.99. Makes sense to me and it alleviates every issue that people here have brought forth. 
    Not likely. The big reason for the separate app is the different cataloging requirements for classical music. That’s really it. 

    Apple still has to pay royalties for classical music, so the buffet pricing to the end user is still going to need to be the same in order to collect sufficient funds to pay per-stream to artists on the back end. Creating a new app with specialized features doesn’t somehow make classical music cheaper to deliver. If anything, the new app will may involve Apple paying more for classical content, by using Primephonic’s process of paying for time played, rather than per stream. A lot of classical content is much longer per track than the traditional three-minute pop song. 
    edited March 2023 byronl
  • Reply 54 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    https://youtu.be/UONhxSyJE88

    This is a pretty good explainer, created before this pre-announcement of the app. 
    edited March 2023 foregoneconclusionSpitbath
  • Reply 55 of 82
    lotones said:
    A dedicated TVOS app would be a nice tip of the hat - I don’t necessarily want to be tethered to AirPlay.
    And there’s my issue with this: Apple TV is limited to 48khz for some reason. I can’t even stream files from my computer to the Apple TV  on my sound system at a native resolution above 48khz, which is an really disappointing because there is no limitation of an internal DAC, and I can do so on my universal disc player released 7 years ago! All the Apple TV needs to do is pass the audio to my preamp.

    Either Apple needs to enable Apple TV to play  hi-res above 48khz via a software update, or release a third Apple TV in 3 years for people who actually can hear the difference between 48khz and 98khz (i.e. people with a halfway decent sound system).
    I’ve been wishing for a while that they would restore the optical output that used to be included with Apple TV, which would also make it a lot easier to connect your Apple TV to an external DAC or other stereo components that don’t have HDMI. Almost no DACs take HDMI input, and if you invest big money on one of the few that does, it will start to be obsolete as soon as they update the HDMI spec, whereas optical digital signals don’t run that risk in the same way. If you want to use a high-end DAC from 10+ years ago with HDMI, it won’t pass through a 4K signal or HDR. I know you can solve this problem with a splitter or extractor, but it’s still inelegant and there aren’t a lot of great options there either.

    The fact that Apple is doubling down on hi-res audio does seem like generally a good indicator that they care about this stuff, and maybe they will also find a way to extend AirPlay to support higher bit rates, especially if people have to run the app on their iPhones.
    The dropping of the digital optical jack probably had more to do with labels wanting to phase them out for copyright protection concerns/paranoia. And lack of higher resolution options on Apple Music may be due to bandwidth and server limitations, BUT my iphone can store and play store and play up to 192khz. We shouldn’t have to stream audio through our iphones and a USB connection to get hi-res music from our phones or macs, when we’ve already invested in an Apple TV (or two…) to stream music directly.
    dewme
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    Since most of us classical music listeners are fidelity fuss-pots, I’m hoping this can accessed via the Mac (which in my case is *cabled* to my HiFi via HDMI)…. 
    jeffharrisSpitbathbyronl
  • Reply 57 of 82
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,098member
    zenwaves said:
    Since most of us classical music listeners are fidelity fuss-pots, I’m hoping this can accessed via the Mac (which in my case is *cabled* to my HiFi via HDMI)…. 
    My guess is that it will be, but the initial rollout is on iPhone in order to work the kinks out before expanding the variables by adding iPad, Apple TV and Mac apps. 
    zenwavesSpitbath
  • Reply 58 of 82
    nbhmsnbhms Posts: 9member
    zenwaves said:
    Since most of us classical music listeners are fidelity fuss-pots, I’m hoping this can accessed via the Mac (which in my case is *cabled* to my HiFi via HDMI)…. 
    Agree with this and comments regarding Apple TV above.  I've so far avoided Apple Music because I have a large classical library in iTunes tagged and sorted the way I want, and remote speakers (airport express base stations) connected to amplifiers via toslink.

    Classical music on my iPhone isn't what I'm looking for, Apple Music on my iMac connected to my home network and remote speakers, with a decent amount of screen real estate to see what I'm browsing is what I want.

    Hopefully that's coming in time, but would have been nice to to have a couple sentences in the announcement to that effect.
    zenwavesSpitbathlotonesbyronl
  • Reply 59 of 82
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,907member
    AppleZulu said:
    AppleZulu said:
    chutzpah said:
    chutzpah said:
    Should just be in a genre tab on Apple Music. 

    a lot of music catalogs on Apple Music. Just because this is a giant catalog doesn’t mean it needs its own app. 

    Biography info, etc would fit nearly as a link or accordion element. 

    More steps to do the same thing. Not good. 
    It’s not the number of tracks, it’s that the UX is different owing to some unique things about classical music. 
    It’s music. No need for separate UX. It’s just a way to justify a dedicated app. 

    But let’s say that you have a point - for sake of argument. Apple could easily implement a class where the classical tab of Apple Music gets its own look and behavior. 

    And yet none of that is necessary. 

    A music app is a music app. 

    If there is a better way to do it, then they should apply it to the app as a whole to benefit the entire thing. 

    Searching for, curating, creating playlists, and playing classical music is fundamentally no different than doing so for any other genre. 
    Yeah?  How often do you care about the composer of a pop music song?  How often do you care about the conductor or the orchestra?  How often do you care about the venue or the date of the performance?  How often do you care about what key it is in?  How often is a pop album divided by suites?

    The considerations of classical music productions for classical music fans are very different than the considerations of pop music for pop music fans and for very good reasons.  You clearly don't know anything about this, so wind your neck in.
    Like I said before, that info is nearly enabled by links and/or accordin elements right on the music page. It’s not a big deal nor is it some amazingly impossible thing that requires its own app. 

    Next you’ll be saying a web browser isn’t good enough to read about a composer and that you need a classical music themed web browser… 
    The facts that apps exist are proof positive that a web browser isn't a solution for all computing needs.  Different tools for different tasks.  And classical music is significantly different from pop music.  Sure, Music could be adapted to support both pop and classical music, but it'd add bloat and a muddle of interface.

    Classical music fans have been complaining about iTunes and Music.app for years, it's clearly insufficient.  Seriously dude, you clearly have no knowledge or interest in classical music, so why are you here?  Wind your neck in, this doesn't concern you.
    Everyone has been complaining. 

    But they all aren’t getting their preferred genre in its own app. 

    Better to address concerns throughout the app rather than make yet another app for people to have to install. 

    So next, the heavy metal app is coming out? No need to see those fluffy hip hop recommendations anymore… 

    music belongs in the music , app, sorted by genre. Boom. Done. 
    You made it clear the first time. You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you’re determined to make sure everyone knows it. We’ve got it. 
    Incorrect. I know plenty. Started playing violin in jr high and classical was my first musical love. 

    But you don’t have a point so you build a straw man. 

    You:
    “Apple did something so it must be the only way to go and if you don’t agree, I’ll cry endlessly.”

    Me:
    “It’s better to have all the music in one app and use any deficiencies to make that app better. We don’t need a different app for every little thing.”

    Next you’ll be praising a separate classic movies app for the old black and whites. 

    Apples resurrection came about by simplifying and refining everything. Now, it is starting to look like clutter again. 
    Project much? You’re the one crying endlessly over nothing, and it appears you also don’t know what a “straw man” is. If you don’t download the new app nothing will change for you. The classical catalog will continue to be available in the Apple Music app, with no additional code for additional functions bloating that app. If you don’t want the thing, you won’t have the thing. It is literally the opposite of clutter. 
    Nope. That’s you. Yet again. 

    No need to project. Just holding up the mirror for you. 

    I shared my thoughts, which I believe align more with the Apple ethos, and you had to keep coming back and making it personal. 

    Don’t get offended, it’s just an opinion about a needless app. Anyone who things basic search capabilities are needless bloat has zero idea what they’re talking about. 

    Since I’ve been living rent free in your head, I’ll do my best to clear out and let you get a better handle on life. There is no “us.” I know you’re confused about this, but their Never was.  Not my fault if you keep refusing to let me go. 
    edited March 2023
  • Reply 60 of 82
    A separate app for classical makes a lot of sense. 
    Organizing by genre, composer, historical era, ensembles, conductors, soloists and singers is FAR more complex than dealing with 3 minute pop songs

    I don’t subscribe to Apple Music and Spatial Audio doesn’t interest me, but if it handles music better than the Mac Music app, that would be great.

    Ever since Apple replaced iTunes with Music, it’s been MUCH harder to catalogue and later EDIT music in my Library. 
    I used to be able to change things on my Mac, correct spelling for instance and it would automatically change the file on my iPhone’s iTune Library. The current Music app is incredibly limited.
    byronl
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