How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
History is rude. Do you know the phrase rude awakening?
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
So basically the same status that MTG’s Divorced States of America will have?
Here is where I am bamboozled: Why is manufacturing NOT in North America (America/Canada) - it should be law. There goes all the talk about human rights - the hypocrisy is on another level...
What makes the US and Canada better than China? We are all humans and we all share a planet... a globe ... and the tech industry is now a global effort.
The quotes in the article explain why it's more cost-effective to have large-scale manufacturing and assembly in China and other lower-GDP countries. Trust me, I wish North America was up to the task, but our workforce is way, way, way too expensive (and lazy)!
Well… Canada is fast losing its appeal thanks to its prone minister becoming Stalin.
So I’ll speak for the USA.
The difference is in how we treat people and the freedoms we have, which carry into all aspects of life, politics, and business.
It’s pretty simple math.
Freedom to do what exactly? And do you extend these same freedoms to the countries you erm bring freedom to?
And no, ownership of ursan appendages does not count as a freedom.
Here is where I am bamboozled: Why is manufacturing NOT in North America (America/Canada) - it should be law. There goes all the talk about human rights - the hypocrisy is on another level...
Because it's too expensive, heavily regulated, and it won't scale well like China does with billions of people and its favorable policies. Where are you going to find a million workers in USA and be able to pay the minimum wages?
It just won't work. We will see prices of our devices skyrocket.
Here is where I am bamboozled: Why is manufacturing NOT in North America (America/Canada) - it should be law. There goes all the talk about human rights - the hypocrisy is on another level...
America switched from being a product economy to a services economy a long time ago.
The single reason was economics. Companies did not want to pay Americans an American wage when they could hire 50 workers or more overseas for the same price. Materials, land and buildings leases, etc were also massively cheaper even with transport freight as a factor. It was an easy answer and no one foresaw a third world country taking what we fed it and use it against us. But that’s where we are now. Yet, the business models are so entrenched, it would break some businesses to change. Even Apple must take a long time to diversify further and yet it doesn’t look like they will be able to actually shift away in a huge way. It will take a government that understands economics and makes hard decisions, businesses willing to forgo the low hanging fruit, a society that is patient, a people willing to work and contribute to said society instead of leeching, and a consumer market willing to pay a bit more. I don’t know if that describes the nation at this point.
Here is where I am bamboozled: Why is manufacturing NOT in North America (America/Canada) - it should be law. There goes all the talk about human rights - the hypocrisy is on another level...
America switched from being a product economy to a services economy a long time ago.
The single reason was economics. Companies did not want to pay Americans an American wage when they could hire 50 workers or more overseas for the same price. Materials, land and buildings leases, etc were also massively cheaper even with transport freight as a factor. It was an easy answer and no one foresaw a third world country taking what we fed it and use it against us. But that’s where we are now. Yet, the business models are so entrenched, it would break some businesses to change. Even Apple must take a long time to diversify further and yet it doesn’t look like they will be able to actually shift away in a huge way. It will take a government that understands economics and makes hard decisions, businesses willing to forgo the low hanging fruit, a society that is patient, a people willing to work and contribute to said society instead of leeching, and a consumer market willing to pay a bit more. I don’t know if that describes the nation at this point.
Hopefully we see some changes soon.
So you expected the 3rd World country with the latest population in the world with a cultural appropriation for academic success to remain your chattel forever?
Honestly, I don't even know where you got the idea that Hon Hai is CCP-Chinese. I've never seen anybody say that. Maybe lay off the gummies?
According to the Wikipedia Article it's base in New Taipei in the 'Republic of China' (of which Taiwan is just on island) . So the government of the 'People's Republic of China' can't directly interfere.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
bruh. Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Get over it.
According to the national legislation, Taiwan Is a province of China; according to the international law, Taiwan is a province of China; according to its de jure - China constitution - and de facto statuses, it has no autonomy except in economic relations. Taiwan has no right to enter a treaty and UN - and every other member state - will ignore everything the local government has signed without being ratified by China. Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
No, Taiwan’s relationship to China is not analogous to California’s relationship to the US.
The only way to get an analogy with the US would be to create a fictional one. Suppose the confederacy fled to Puerto Rico and established the confederate states of America there. Further suppose that the US lacked the ability to invade Puerto Rico, and so effectively the civil war ended with Puerto Rico as an independent country. In the decades that pass, Puerto Rico decides to give up slavery and become democratic. Meanwhile, the US abandons its high ideals of justice and liberty for all and turns into a dictatorship. Fearing what the US has become, the British empire gives weapons to Puerto Rico to defend itself against the belligerent US.
That’s the kind of story you have to concoct to get a reasonable analogy to the US.
Honestly, I don't even know where you got the idea that Hon Hai is CCP-Chinese. I've never seen anybody say that. Maybe lay off the gummies?
According to the Wikipedia Article it's base in New Taipei in the 'Republic of China' (of which Taiwan is just on island) . So the government of the 'People's Republic of China' can't directly interfere.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
bruh. Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Get over it.
According to the national legislation, Taiwan Is a province of China; according to the international law, Taiwan is a province of China; according to its de jure - China constitution - and de facto statuses, it has no autonomy except in economic relations. Taiwan has no right to enter a treaty and UN - and every other member state - will ignore everything the local government has signed without being ratified by China. Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
LOL International law? There is no such thing. A law could be enforced. There is no international law that could be enforced. Californians have to pay federal income taxes. Taiwanese do not pay taxes to mainland China.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
No, Taiwan’s relationship to China is not analogous to California’s relationship to the US.
The only way to get an analogy with the US would be to create a fictional one. Suppose the confederacy fled to Puerto Rico and established the confederate states of America there. Further suppose that the US lacked the ability to invade Puerto Rico, and so effectively the civil war ended with Puerto Rico as an independent country. In the decades that pass, Puerto Rico decides to give up slavery and become democratic. Meanwhile, the US abandons its high ideals of justice and liberty for all and turns into a dictatorship. Fearing what the US has become, the British empire gives weapons to Puerto Rico to defend itself against the belligerent US.
That’s the kind of story you have to concoct to get a reasonable analogy to the US.
When it comes to international relations, a treaty signed by the governor of California has the same power as a treaty signed by the president of Taiwan - ZERO. I don't think you would say it's ok if an official of US retreats on a US island and declares that island an independent state...
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
bruh. Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Get over it.
According to the national legislation, Taiwan Is a province of China; according to the international law, Taiwan is a province of China; according to its de jure - China constitution - and de facto statuses, it has no autonomy except in economic relations. Taiwan has no right to enter a treaty and UN - and every other member state - will ignore everything the local government has signed without being ratified by China. Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
LOL International law? There is no such thing. A law could be enforced. There is no international law that could be enforced. Californians have to pay federal income taxes. Taiwanese do not pay taxes to mainland China.
You're saying Biden and the entire western world eats sh*t when they are saying Putin has violated the "international law"?! Of course there is an international law (or order) all the states agreed to respect when they have joined the UN. Native Americans don't pay federal taxes for incomes earned on federal Indian reservations, on lands inside reservations or income from those lands; do you think that means the Indian reservations are independent states?
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
bruh. Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Get over it.
According to the national legislation, Taiwan Is a province of China; according to the international law, Taiwan is a province of China; according to its de jure - China constitution - and de facto statuses, it has no autonomy except in economic relations. Taiwan has no right to enter a treaty and UN - and every other member state - will ignore everything the local government has signed without being ratified by China. Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
LOL International law? There is no such thing. A law could be enforced. There is no international law that could be enforced. Californians have to pay federal income taxes. Taiwanese do not pay taxes to mainland China.
You're saying Biden and the entire western world eats sh*t when they are saying Putin has violated the "international law"?! Of course there is an international law (or order) all the states agreed to respect when they have joined the UN. Native Americans don't pay federal taxes for incomes earned on federal Indian reservations, on lands inside reservations or income from those lands; do you think that means the Indian reservations are independent states?
A law is a rule that can be enforced. This is very simple definition. Your interpretation does not agree with this definition. Indians inside reservations do not have to pay federal tax because US government exempt them.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
bruh. Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Get over it.
According to the national legislation, Taiwan Is a province of China; according to the international law, Taiwan is a province of China; according to its de jure - China constitution - and de facto statuses, it has no autonomy except in economic relations. Taiwan has no right to enter a treaty and UN - and every other member state - will ignore everything the local government has signed without being ratified by China. Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
LOL International law? There is no such thing. A law could be enforced. There is no international law that could be enforced. Californians have to pay federal income taxes. Taiwanese do not pay taxes to mainland China.
You're saying Biden and the entire western world eats sh*t when they are saying Putin has violated the "international law"?! Of course there is an international law (or order) all the states agreed to respect when they have joined the UN. Native Americans don't pay federal taxes for incomes earned on federal Indian reservations, on lands inside reservations or income from those lands; do you think that means the Indian reservations are independent states?
A law is a rule that can be enforced. This is very simple definition. Your interpretation does not agree with this definition. Indians inside reservations do not have to pay federal tax because US government exempt them.
The Charter has plenty of articles about enforcing the law. The same goes for the Chinese people of Taiwan: they don't pay taxes to China, because the Chinese legislation exempts them and not because of some imaginary "independence".
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
Do not argue with an idiot as you will never win. -As a clever man one said.
Not all have the capability to undestand fact and have studied history with more than a ChatGPT search.
Taiwan have democracy and China is a totalitarian state ruled by the CCP with the almighty Xi "The Poo Bear" holding on to the power.
Fun thing the Chinese actually believe that Taiwan is the biggest island in China. -fascinating how well indoctrination and censorship works.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
Do not argue with an idiot as you will never win. -As a clever man one said.
Not all have the capability to undestand fact and have studied history with more than a ChatGPT search.
Taiwan have democracy and China is a totalitarian state ruled by the CCP with the almighty Xi "The Poo Bear" holding on to the power.
Fun thing the Chinese actually believe that Taiwan is the biggest island in China. -fascinating how well indoctrination and censorship works.
What is that "ChatGPT" I heard some trolls talking about? Taiwan used to be one of the dictatorships of the world (its first president served 5 terms, the country was ruled by martial law for ~40 years, the first popular vote was held in 1988); looking at its political system today, we can say it is a democracy, but it's far from being a working democracy. China has elections - their president is elected by electors (does that ring any bell?). What makes you think your system is better than China's system for the Chinese people? "Democracy" is the power of the people and it's just as democratically for the people to give the powers to a group of people called party as to give the power to a group of people called parliament. US and every single country on earth recognise Taiwan as a part of China, UN in its treaties recognises Taiwan as a province of China so what exactly are you talking about?!
PS: only illiterate people use CCP to designate the Communist Party of China (CPC).
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
No, Taiwan’s relationship to China is not analogous to California’s relationship to the US.
The only way to get an analogy with the US would be to create a fictional one. Suppose the confederacy fled to Puerto Rico and established the confederate states of America there. Further suppose that the US lacked the ability to invade Puerto Rico, and so effectively the civil war ended with Puerto Rico as an independent country. In the decades that pass, Puerto Rico decides to give up slavery and become democratic. Meanwhile, the US abandons its high ideals of justice and liberty for all and turns into a dictatorship. Fearing what the US has become, the British empire gives weapons to Puerto Rico to defend itself against the belligerent US.
That’s the kind of story you have to concoct to get a reasonable analogy to the US.
When it comes to international relations, a treaty signed by the governor of California has the same power as a treaty signed by the president of Taiwan - ZERO. I don't think you would say it's ok if an official of US retreats on a US island and declares that island an independent state...
Actually I couldn’t care less. For example, if Donald Trump (who I deeply dislike) moved to an island and declared it Trumpland, I would be delighted.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
Do not argue with an idiot as you will never win. -As a clever man one said.
Not all have the capability to undestand fact and have studied history with more than a ChatGPT search.
Taiwan have democracy and China is a totalitarian state ruled by the CCP with the almighty Xi "The Poo Bear" holding on to the power.
Fun thing the Chinese actually believe that Taiwan is the biggest island in China. -fascinating how well indoctrination and censorship works.
What is that "ChatGPT" I heard some trolls talking about? Taiwan used to be one of the dictatorships of the world (its first president served 5 terms, the country was ruled by martial law for ~40 years, the first popular vote was held in 1988); looking at its political system today, we can say it is a democracy, but it's far from being a working democracy. China has elections - their president is elected by electors (does that ring any bell?). What makes you think your system is better than China's system for the Chinese people? "Democracy" is the power of the people and it's just as democratically for the people to give the powers to a group of people called party as to give the power to a group of people called parliament. US and every single country on earth recognise Taiwan as a part of China, UN in its treaties recognises Taiwan as a province of China so what exactly are you talking about?!
PS: only illiterate people use CCP to designate the Communist Party of China (CPC).
On paper China looks democratic; in practice it’s not.
Twenty years ago I was hopeful that China would lead the world forward with a better approach to democracy. The world needs such a thing, as many existing democracies have structural problems and are being subverted. Unfortunately, Xi went in the opposite direction.
Now we must look elsewhere for innovations in democracy.
How can Foxconn do that without Xi Jinping’s and the CCP’s permission?
Because Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. AI screwed up.
Last I checked, Taiwan was a province in China, so every single Taiwanese company is also Chinese. Just like Apple is both a Californian and a US company.
Not true. Do you get it from ChatGPT? The fact is due to a civil war, Taiwan was separated from mainland China since 1949. Independently governed.
I'll let your rudeness slide this time. Taiwan was never separated from China, it was just a place where the losing party was allowed to settle, having some autonomy but inside the Chinese state.
Do not argue with an idiot as you will never win. -As a clever man one said.
Not all have the capability to undestand fact and have studied history with more than a ChatGPT search.
Taiwan have democracy and China is a totalitarian state ruled by the CCP with the almighty Xi "The Poo Bear" holding on to the power.
Fun thing the Chinese actually believe that Taiwan is the biggest island in China. -fascinating how well indoctrination and censorship works.
What is that "ChatGPT" I heard some trolls talking about? Taiwan used to be one of the dictatorships of the world (its first president served 5 terms, the country was ruled by martial law for ~40 years, the first popular vote was held in 1988); looking at its political system today, we can say it is a democracy, but it's far from being a working democracy. China has elections - their president is elected by electors (does that ring any bell?). What makes you think your system is better than China's system for the Chinese people? "Democracy" is the power of the people and it's just as democratically for the people to give the powers to a group of people called party as to give the power to a group of people called parliament. US and every single country on earth recognise Taiwan as a part of China, UN in its treaties recognises Taiwan as a province of China so what exactly are you talking about?!
PS: only illiterate people use CCP to designate the Communist Party of China (CPC).
On paper China looks democratic; in practice it’s not.
Twenty years ago I was hopeful that China would lead the world forward with a better approach to democracy. The world needs such a thing, as many existing democracies have structural problems and are being subverted. Unfortunately, Xi went in the opposite direction.
Now we must look elsewhere for innovations in democracy.
Democracies work only in societies with smart people and, looking at how intelligent are some of US officials actions, I highly doubt US is a functioning democracy; so what you have said about China is also true for US. Why would the "world" care that China is a (western) democracy? The Middle East would hate that, so would Africa and a lot of Asian states; why would you think 700 mil people should have the right to tell 3-4 billion how to govern themselves?! I have never heard of China attacking either US or Europe, so why would anyone meddle with how Chinese people choose to rule their society? I would never be comfortable in a country where the freedom of speach (which I consider at least just as important as the right to live) is tempered with, but I will never try to impose my principles to anyone else; I will live by them, I can teach them, explain why they are better (and what are their flaws), but I will never try to impose them. So, as long as the world agrees that Taiwan is a province of China, the only thing to say is that every single Taiwan based company is a Chinese company.
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And no, ownership of ursan appendages does not count as a freedom.
It just won't work. We will see prices of our devices skyrocket.
Taiwan is just as “sovereign” as California.
I don't think you would say it's ok if an official of US retreats on a US island and declares that island an independent state...
Of course there is an international law (or order) all the states agreed to respect when they have joined the UN.
Native Americans don't pay federal taxes for incomes earned on federal Indian reservations, on lands inside reservations or income from those lands; do you think that means the Indian reservations are independent states?
The same goes for the Chinese people of Taiwan: they don't pay taxes to China, because the Chinese legislation exempts them and not because of some imaginary "independence".
Not all have the capability to undestand fact and have studied history with more than a ChatGPT search.
Taiwan have democracy and China is a totalitarian state ruled by the CCP with the almighty Xi "The Poo Bear" holding on to the power.
Fun thing the Chinese actually believe that Taiwan is the biggest island in China. -fascinating how well indoctrination and censorship works.
Taiwan used to be one of the dictatorships of the world (its first president served 5 terms, the country was ruled by martial law for ~40 years, the first popular vote was held in 1988); looking at its political system today, we can say it is a democracy, but it's far from being a working democracy.
China has elections - their president is elected by electors (does that ring any bell?). What makes you think your system is better than China's system for the Chinese people? "Democracy" is the power of the people and it's just as democratically for the people to give the powers to a group of people called party as to give the power to a group of people called parliament.
US and every single country on earth recognise Taiwan as a part of China, UN in its treaties recognises Taiwan as a province of China so what exactly are you talking about?!
PS: only illiterate people use CCP to designate the Communist Party of China (CPC).
Twenty years ago I was hopeful that China would lead the world forward with a better approach to democracy. The world needs such a thing, as many existing democracies have structural problems and are being subverted. Unfortunately, Xi went in the opposite direction.
Why would the "world" care that China is a (western) democracy? The Middle East would hate that, so would Africa and a lot of Asian states; why would you think 700 mil people should have the right to tell 3-4 billion how to govern themselves?! I have never heard of China attacking either US or Europe, so why would anyone meddle with how Chinese people choose to rule their society?
I would never be comfortable in a country where the freedom of speach (which I consider at least just as important as the right to live) is tempered with, but I will never try to impose my principles to anyone else; I will live by them, I can teach them, explain why they are better (and what are their flaws), but I will never try to impose them.
So, as long as the world agrees that Taiwan is a province of China, the only thing to say is that every single Taiwan based company is a Chinese company.