Cook praises 'symbiotic' 30-year relationship with China

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  • Reply 41 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
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  • Reply 42 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    Thirty years of unprecedented progress is also indisputable. 

    Millions of people pulled up above the poverty line. 

    Economic growth always peaks at some point but what do we have as a result? 

    Just take a look at infrastructure. How is the plan for high speed rail going in the US? 

    Just take a look at manufacturing. How is that going in the US? 

    Just take a look at science. China has largely caught up with the US in many areas. 

    Just take a look at the DSR and BRI. Does the US have anything similar? 

    Apple has been able to take advantage of that every step of the way. 

    It is difficult to predict the future but the past is there, staring you right in the face. It's a pity you don't dare open your eyes. 

    China certainly has shown "unprecedented" progress, but the caveat was the U.S. opening up China under Nixon, as a means of countering the U.S.S.R., and it was the West that created those low cost manufacturing jobs that benefitted both parties, at the time.

    After that, even through the 80's and 90's, there was a modicum of progress towards liberalization and away from an authoritarian government. All of that ended with the arrival of Xi Jinping in 2012, and none of that is in dispute.

    Needless to state, you seem fond of authoritarian governments, and State Owned Enterprises, and while China has made some progress economically, they have not "caught up" with the U.S. in many areas at all but please list them if you feel like it.

    "Just look at manufacturing. How is that going in the U.S.?"

    Actually, the U.S. is a very strong #2 by value versus China, at about 2/3rds by value, and the U.S. likely has a larger share of manufacturing than the EU. It is also the case the many European businesses are moving the the U.S. due to higher energy costs in Europe, thanks so much to the EU getting caught with its pants down over the Ukraine invasion by Russia. Meanwhile, the U.S. is working towards bringing back manufacturing to the U.S., and those case that doesn't seem possible, pulling it out of China and resourcing elsewhere. China does a gangbuster business in low value manufacturing and assembly, and as the wages have increased, it is obvious to the world that they must look elsewhere, especially in South Asia, for lower costs, and that is what is ongoing.

    Meanwhile, the world still relies primarily on the U.S. to continue to protect trade routes for shipping, the primary means of linking global trade, just as the U.S. has done since the end of WWII. Ironically, China benefits greatly from that.

    Fun fact. At the end of WWII, the U.S. had 53% of all manufacturing worldwide. Imagine why that occurred, and then imagine what happens to the global economy of China attempts to take Taiwan. China would be cutting its own throat. 
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  • Reply 43 of 61
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
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  • Reply 44 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet to iPhone before presidential elections", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    My response, my own words;

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 

    You are more than welcome to post why China is not an authoritarian or totalitarian country; good luck on that. Please provide facts for your assertions 
    edited March 2023
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  • Reply 45 of 61
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


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  • Reply 47 of 61
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
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  • Reply 48 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
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  • Reply 49 of 61
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
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  • Reply 50 of 61
    longfanglongfang Posts: 555member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 51 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


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    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
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    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL

    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    In a departure from the policies of Germany's former chancellor, Angela Merkel, Olaf Scholz's government is developing a new China strategy to reduce dependence on Asia's economic superpower, hitherto a vital export market for German goods.

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
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    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
    Education minister? This is consolation price. Do you get paid by Taiwan? Why are you so interested in such tiny things that DPP government is trying to fabricate? 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    longfang said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
    Education minister? This is consolation price. Do you get paid by Taiwan? Why are you so interested in such tiny things that DPP government is trying to fabricate? 
    Do you get paid by the Chinese Government? Why are you denying an obvious fact that Western companies are reducing their exposure in China? 
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    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
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    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
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    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
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    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
    Education minister? This is consolation price. Do you get paid by Taiwan? Why are you so interested in such tiny things that DPP government is trying to fabricate? 
    Do you get paid by the Chinese Government? Why are you denying an obvious fact that Western companies are reducing their exposure in China? 
    Your worry is not justified. China GDP is second in the world. Because of Trump trade war against China since 2028, some companies will reduce exposure. It is not an internal problem you have argued repeatedly. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
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    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
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    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
    Education minister? This is consolation price. Do you get paid by Taiwan? Why are you so interested in such tiny things that DPP government is trying to fabricate? 
    Do you get paid by the Chinese Government? Why are you denying an obvious fact that Western companies are reducing their exposure in China? 
    Your worry is not justified. China GDP is second in the world. Because of Trump trade war against China since 2028, some companies will reduce exposure. It is not an internal problem you have argued repeatedly. 
    The Waveparticle of months back had much better postings; maybe you are a New Waveparticle as a replacement.
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    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's a election that only a dictator would see.
    That’s rich, an “American Exceptionalism” defender complaining about a lack of independent journalism, given the current journalistic landscape in the US at the moment. 
    Uhm, there are plenty of alternate and independent sources of information beyond the networks, I read many of them during the day, and frankly avoid the major news networks. but at least even the networks are somewhat independent of political parties, something that isn't the case for Global Times, et al.

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    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.
    Carl FriedrichYes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    Gee, if only China was a marginally open society, with like, independent journalism. But of course, that is far from reality. So it takes a lot of effort to provide evidence, and that effort has been made, over and over again.

    Still, there is only a single metric that proves my accuracy; 2952:0. That's an election that only a dictator would see.
    LOL Please provide your facts that prove your assertions. We are all ears. Don''t use any link. Use your own words. 
    I provide this same statement in the thead "Kremlin say nyet on iPhone", but I'll paste it here again.

    China is in fact a authoritarian dictatorship, by definition, but only barely, so describing it as totalitarian isn't far from the mark.

    https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/china-totalitarian

    As we can see, China is already totalitarian in five of the six traits developed by Brzezinski to determine a totalitarian regime. Only with regard to a centrally controlled economy do we find an authoritarian rather than a strict totalitarian structure. Human Rights Watch has been persuaded by this capitalist tilt to describe China as “a one-party authoritarian state that systemically curbs fundamental rights.” )The U.S. State Department says that “the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is an authoritarian state in which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the paramount authority.”

    Please reference Xi's recent Election 2952-0 as President in a third term, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, and continuing Chairman of the Military Commission, after consolidating power. 

    See also North Korea as an example of a totalitarian dictatorship. 
    This fact is not prove of totalitarian dictatorship. Your don't have a correct understanding of what is totalitarian dictatorship. I do not want to click the link to read a comment. Even if I show you what is wrong of the comment, you can say this is not what you said. 
    Your intellect seems unable to process what I posted, and now you are emotional, and cannot provide any response. I gave you a chance to read the link, which was based on a paper by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Friedrich, details linked below.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/07/28/the-devils-disciples

    I guess we are finished. Buh Bye!


    I predicted your behavior. You posted a link but you were not able to write in your own words. What content in the link you agree? You did not say. How can we dialogue in this way?
    Would it make any difference? Likely not, since you have no interest in facts anyway. It is a fact that China is an authoritarian power, verging on totalitarian.
    Of course there are differences. Authoritarian is fake western truth. In Chinese culture it is the responsibility of government to rule. The Western government cannot govern. They only know to control where to spend money. They don't take responsibility. In order to relief their lack of responsibility, they call Chinese government responsibility. I am giving you a free lesson in cultures. You won't be able to hear from the west for reasons I am giving above. Since Western government cannot govern, they are very interested in external affairs in order to justify their existence. Especially by looting and attacking weak countries. By the way, you failed to show what things Chinese government did is authoritarian. Again and again you disappointed me. 
    LOL! 

    More gibberish on your part, and a massive lack of knowledge about all levels of our government, but the truth is, it doesn't matter what I think or say, only what the facts are. The fact is that China is authoritarian, and the West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China, for a number of reasons.

    So good luck with trading with the other authoritarian countries especially Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and North Korea. 

    Oh, and here's another link that you can avoid;

    https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinping-thought-and-the-end-of-chinese-history/

    Enjoy!


    You are foolish. You have no facts. West is rapidly reversing course on trade with China. This is a lie. Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  Volkswagen and Tesla are two major auto makers manufacturing in China. So are Ford and GM. You don't know? BTW, TSMC and Foxconn management style are authoritarian. Is this news to you? And both are very successful. No other nation can mimic. 
    Have you talked to the folks at Netflix? You can play the villain in your own show.

    As for auto companies, sure Ford and GM, and Volkswagen and Tesla, can sell Chinese made cars, but not profitably in the U.S. due to various laws. Hence, why these same auto companies are building more plants in the U.S. 

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/02/companies-fleeing-china-friendshoring-supply-chains/

    In its 2019 survey, in contrast, the European Chamber reported that European companies had an “increasingly firm commitment … toward the mature and vibrant Chinese market.” But today, “every company that I speak to at the moment is engaged in rethinking their [China-focused] supply chains,” Tony Danker, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, told the Financial Times last week. “Because they anticipate that our politicians will inevitably accelerate towards a decoupled world from China.”

    Part of this is pandemic pressure. China’s zero-COVID policy has snarled supply chains and left factory workers locked in their dorms—and shows no sign of ending anytime soon. China’s demographics have also meant a shrinking pool of potential workers, and as the country has climbed into the middle ranks of global income, labor has become more expensive. But Beijing’s growing aggressiveness toward the West and its insistence on maintaining ties with Moscow have also left executives nervous that they could be caught on the wrong side of global conflict. The Chinese Communist Party’s insistence on ideological purity doesn’t help, with party cells now mandatory in foreign companies.

    “The only thing predictable about China today is its unpredictability, and that is poisonous for the business environment,” Bettina Schoen-Behanzin, a vice president of the European Chamber, saidin a statement accompanying the 2022 survey. “Increasing numbers of European businesses are putting China investments on hold and re-evaluating their positions in the market as they wait to see how long this uncertainty will continue, and many are looking towards other destinations for future projects.”

    You don't seem to traffic in facts, just some kind of insane emotional mumbo jumbo verbiage. Great villain character you'd make if you flesh it out, but you'll need more and better material.
    Many western leaders are visiting Beijing to meet Xi, France, Spain, to name a few. You are still living in 2022. Dream on! LOL
    https://www.reuters.com/world/german-minister-says-honoured-be-esteemed-partner-taiwan-2023-03-21/

    Seems like Taiwan is picking up more and more supporters, likely because it is a vibrant representation of democracy.
    Education minister? This is consolation price. Do you get paid by Taiwan? Why are you so interested in such tiny things that DPP government is trying to fabricate? 
    Do you get paid by the Chinese Government? Why are you denying an obvious fact that Western companies are reducing their exposure in China? 
    Your worry is not justified. China GDP is second in the world. Because of Trump trade war against China since 2028, some companies will reduce exposure. It is not an internal problem you have argued repeatedly. 
    https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1rmGPkOerXgKN

    China is changing: → We expect to see greater focus on security and control → The imperative for security and control now trumps the logic of free markets and open trade → China’s clear goal is a systemic change of the international order with China at its centre
    Yeah, even the EU gets that China has Changed, and for the worse.
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