Apple accused of stalling union negotiations with Apple Towson employees

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Representatives of the new Apple worker's union at the Towson retail store are publicly expressing concern that Apple may not be bargaining with unionized employees in good faith.

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Workers at the Towson store successfully unionized in June 2022. Contract negotiations have been ongoing since January, with only two tentative agreements reached after six sessions.

The International Association of Machinists union's negotiator, Jay Wadleigh, has stated that the contract talks with Apple are moving at a sluggish pace.

A union negotiator and Apple Towson worker, Kevin Gallagher, told The Baltimore Banner that Apple's approach felt like a "slap in the face."

The committee expressed dissatisfaction with Apple's decision to selectively share contract proposals with its store employees across the country. Additionally, during negotiations, Apple requested that the proceedings be kept private and not extensively publicized or recorded.

Earlier this week, the union posted a Twitter thread stating that Apple had denied several proposals made by the bargaining committee. These proposals included the implementation of a grievance protocol, scheduling procedures, and a seniority system.

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Gallagher is concerned that Apple may be employing stalling tactics. He believes that one of the only significant positive developments came in early April when negotiators tentatively agreed to establish a health and safety committee -- a core reason the store organized in the first place.

Apple and the union have also reached agreements regarding addressing topics like pay errors and non-discrimination policies.

The committee is now trying to progress negotiations with Apple, addressing "economic issues," such as pay and severance discussions.

Apple has opposed the unionization of its retail stores and has cited the Towson store incident as a cautionary example.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,727member
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    radarthekat
  • Reply 2 of 14
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    Wow that's certainly a hot take. You must be a Mr Big CEO making the $millions, fully entrenched in western late stage capitalism, bootlicker to the oligarchs who don't give a single F about you. So nice of you to shill for the largest corporation in the whole of human history, who's sole purpose is to make more money for the shareholders. 

    You're certainly right in that Apple is free to say no to what the union wants. But to simp for the "corporate sector" being "bullied" by a "class action". WOW what a spicy characterization. You want unions outlawed because those poor corporations don't stand a chance if they give their peasant workers any rights or respect, huh? Poor poor Apple, HOW DARE their workers try to negotiate for better working conditions/benefits/pay.

    Honestly F Apple for continuing to be so hostile to their workers and their legally protected union activities.
    edited April 2023 larrya9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingamronn
  • Reply 3 of 14
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,810member
    It'll be interesting to see how well these unions are playing out for everyone a couple years from now. 
    9secondkox2dewme
  • Reply 4 of 14
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 2,000member
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    fully entrenched in western late stage capitalism, .
    That’s all I needed to read to skip to the next comment.  Totally ignorant of economics. 

    And an aside:  of course the union is going to claim Apple is stalling.  It’s part of the unions pressure tactics to get what they wanted.  The union wanted an adversarial relationship — it got one and needs to live in the bed it made. 


    9secondkox2radarthekat
  • Reply 5 of 14
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,727member
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    Wow that's certainly a hot take. You must be a Mr Big CEO making the $millions, fully entrenched in western late stage capitalism, bootlicker to the oligarchs who don't give a single F about you. So nice of you to shill for the largest corporation in the whole of human history, who's sole purpose is to make more money for the shareholders. 

    You're certainly right in that Apple is free to say no to what the union wants. But to simp for the "corporate sector" being "bullied" by a "class action". WOW what a spicy characterization. You want unions outlawed because those poor corporations don't stand a chance if they give their peasant workers any rights or respect, huh? Poor poor Apple, HOW DARE their workers try to negotiate for better working conditions/benefits/pay.

    Honestly F Apple for continuing to be so hostile to their workers and their legally protected union activities.
    LOl. Speaking of hot takes. That’s ridiculous. It’s just the way it is. A union is free to push and apple is free to push back. Ultimately all a union is - is a class negotiator. 

    For the uneducated, “corporate sector” refers to an operating space. The actual corporation is made of hard working people who have sacrificed to make the company what it is, providing jobs for so mss as my. The fact that apple is so profitable has to do with how well cared for and managed it is. That’s a good thing.

    it’s not an us vs them mentality. It’s what is right vs entitled vampires. 

    It’s not as if apple is done draconian evil. They pay well and treat workers well. They don’t owe the unions anything. 

    Unions are leeches sucking the life out of companies for the enrichment of union bosses who literally do nothing more than fight to leech from enterprises. 

    Oh. By the way, capitalism is great thing. It’s why America is s global superpower and why anyone who works hard and smart has a shot at the dream. 

    Socialism and communism create the economic beatdowns you see all over the world. No. Thank. You. 
    edited April 2023 radarthekat
  • Reply 6 of 14
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,306member
    I’m generally pro-union, and of course I’m disappointed that Apple is eager to dissuade other stores from following Towson’s path.

    That said, Apple appears to have implemented a number of the things the union was pushing for — higher starting wages, a health & safety committee, and other actions — including at US stores that don’t yet have a union.

    Yes, that may dampen the spreading of retail unions, but it must also be pointed out that this improves worker conditions, which is ostensibly what unions exist to fight for. This may continue happening, thanks in part to the Towson union as it continues to negotiate agreements on things like attendance policies.

    Starbucks and other retail hellholes might be wise to pay attention to this tactic.
  • Reply 7 of 14
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,306member
    Oh. By the way, capitalism is great thing. It’s why America is s global superpower and why anyone who works hard and smart has a shot at the dream. 

    Socialism and communism create the economic beatdowns you see all over the world. No. Thank. You. 
    You might be interested to know that there are other colours besides black and white, and other flavours beside vanilla and chocolate. In other words, quite a number of countries that routinely top both the personal-happiness and highest-wages charts have found something that is neither pure nearly-unbridled capitalism (like in the US) nor communism (like Russia).

    Seems pretty obvious you’ve never lived in a countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, et al most of the NATO member states. I encourage you to travel and really talk to people who live in these places to enable your perspective to widen a little bit.
    nubusronndewme
  • Reply 8 of 14
    nubusnubus Posts: 386member
    Socialism and communism create the economic beatdowns you see all over the world. No. Thank. You. 
    Several "socialist" countries are beating US every which way. Free colleges, free healthcare with private hospitals included, higher scores on the global happiness index, more personal freedom, far less corruption, 6 weeks of paid vacation, and the same GDP per capita. Companies like IBM and McDonald's have agreements with local unions.

    The "recycle", "non toxic" agenda of Apple is not compatible with "and we go to war against our own employees". Apple management should stop acting like a bunch of rednecks.
    ronn
  • Reply 9 of 14
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Are these people stupid? Do they know what kind of economy we are in?

    Do they think they are Airline mechanics or steel workers?

    They are retail workers that many high school students can replace them.

    Apple doesn’t have to agree to their demands. They can strike and be replaced?

    why do we have so many stupid people in this country?


  • Reply 10 of 14
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    Exactly, Apple doesn’t have to agree to anything. I hope these idiots understood that before they agreed and stupidly formed this union when they are easily replaceable retail workers .

    They should  just go on a strike and watch Apple replace them all in about 2 days 
  • Reply 11 of 14
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    chasm said:
    Oh. By the way, capitalism is great thing. It’s why America is s global superpower and why anyone who works hard and smart has a shot at the dream. 

    Socialism and communism create the economic beatdowns you see all over the world. No. Thank. You. 
    You might be interested to know that there are other colours besides black and white, and other flavours beside vanilla and chocolate. In other words, quite a number of countries that routinely top both the personal-happiness and highest-wages charts have found something that is neither pure nearly-unbridled capitalism (like in the US) nor communism (like Russia).

    Seems pretty obvious you’ve never lived in a countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, et al most of the NATO member states. I encourage you to travel and really talk to people who live in these places to enable your perspective to widen a little bit.
    NATO only exist because America pays for their defense.There are the most worthless collection of nations around the world 

    I lived in Japan for a few years for work. Now there is a people and a nation that should be a model for everyone 
    edited April 2023
  • Reply 12 of 14
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    Wow that's certainly a hot take. You must be a Mr Big CEO making the $millions, fully entrenched in western late stage capitalism, bootlicker to the oligarchs who don't give a single F about you. So nice of you to shill for the largest corporation in the whole of human history, who's sole purpose is to make more money for the shareholders. 

    You're certainly right in that Apple is free to say no to what the union wants. But to simp for the "corporate sector" being "bullied" by a "class action". WOW what a spicy characterization. You want unions outlawed because those poor corporations don't stand a chance if they give their peasant workers any rights or respect, huh? Poor poor Apple, HOW DARE their workers try to negotiate for better working conditions/benefits/pay.

    Honestly F Apple for continuing to be so hostile to their workers and their legally protected union activities.
    My sons worked part time for Apple while in College. They have the best benefits of any retail business . My kids got them as part timers! I can only imagine how great the benefits are if somebody spends a few years there 

    These Towson people can strike ! And be replaced.
  • Reply 13 of 14
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    chadbag said:
    Apple doesn’t have to agree to those negotiations. The union can push as hard as they want and apple is free to say no to what they push for. 

    It’s crazy that class-action bullying is legal in the corporate sector. 
    fully entrenched in western late stage capitalism, .
    That’s all I needed to read to skip to the next comment.  Totally ignorant of economics. 

    And an aside:  of course the union is going to claim Apple is stalling.  It’s part of the unions pressure tactics to get what they wanted.  The union wanted an adversarial relationship — it got one and needs to live in the bed it made. 


    One problem here for this “union”. Apple can replace all these retail workers in about 2 days 
  • Reply 14 of 14
    nubusnubus Posts: 386member
    Madbum said:
    My sons worked part time for Apple while in College. They have the best benefits of any retail business . My kids got them as part timers! I can only imagine how great the benefits are if somebody spends a few years there 

    These Towson people can strike ! And be replaced.

    US is #15 on the global list for living standards. 13 of the countries above have strong unions. The US labor market is so dysfunctional that government has to set minimum wages and basic requirements. What you call "benefits" is part of the standard package in other countries, and we are clearly doing better. As a nation you have the right to ask for big government and do worse than other countries but please... be a little bit curious about how other countries are doing this. 

    Microsoft changed course last year. I will say this for the first time... Apple should be a bit more like Microsoft:
    https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/06/02/employee-organizing-engagement-labor-economy/
    ronnmuthuk_vanalingam
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