All the Apple subreddits set to go dark in protest of Reddit's API charges

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in iOS edited June 2023

Reddit communities, including some about Apple, will be going dark on June 12, as a form of protest against the site's decision to charge developers for access to its API.




In April, Reddit issued an update relating to its Data API, with the changes including a new premium tier of access for developers with extra capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights. However, those changes were not accepted quietly by the numerous communities that call Reddit home.

As a form of protest against the API changes, numerous subreddits within Reddit are going dark for 24 to 48 hours. Going dark on Reddit means the subreddit goes private and inaccessible for a period of time by the public, and has been used in the past to demonstrate solidarity over a topic.

An example of a subreddit going dark
An example of a subreddit going dark



In posts topping many different subreddits joining the action, it is explained that the cost of calls to the API will reach a level that will make it almost impossible for third-party Reddit apps to function.

In the most public example, developer Christian Selig said popular app Apollo will close on June 30 due to the increased cost. At a charge of $0.02 per user for access, it was reckoned Apollo would face an annual cost of around $20 million for access

While an obvious problem for developers of those apps, it will also be a problem for users, too. The post explains subreddit moderators often rely on tools by third-party developers to maintain the communities, since the official app isn't suitable for the task.

Reddit is expected to implement the API fee on June 19. It is unclear whether the blackout will change the minds of Reddit's management, but it may still send a message that the community is unhappy with potentially losing access to well-loved apps.

In a list of popular subreddits going dark compiled on Reddark, Apple-related communities are joining in the activity. The list of subreddits taking part includes:

  • r/Apple

  • r/AppleArcade

  • r/AppleCard

  • r/AppleHelp

  • r/AppleMaps

  • r/AppleMusic

  • r/ApplePay

  • r/AppleSwap

  • r/AppleTV

  • r/AppleWallet

  • r/AppleWatch

  • r/iOS

  • r/iOSBusinessChat

  • r/iOSSetups

  • r/iOSThemes

  • r/iPhone

  • r/Mac

  • r/MacApps

  • r/MacGaming

  • r/OriginalMac

  • r/SignInWithApple

  • r/VintageApple
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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    araquenaraquen Posts: 13member
    With Reddit killing Apollo, I’m done with Reddit. I’m actually in the process of setting up on Beehaw, which is part of the Lemmy fediverse. So far, the vibe is good, but as Mastodon with Twitter, it’s caught in a catch 22 of being better with more people, but people being afraid to join because of the lack of people.

    Personally, I think this reticence is silly. Platforms rise and fall all the time. I lived through MySpace, LiveJournal, Facebook and Twitter. Yeah, it takes a bit of effort to ramp up, but, you know, you are not the same person you were when you joined your last preferred platform, and starting fresh gives you the opportunity to really soul search what matters to you *now* instead of soaking in complacency. 

    The Lemmy fediverse has a lot of potential and there is already a growing list of fediverse analogs to Reddit’s offerings: https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/t/4331. This is a great opportunity to get in on the “ground floor” of the next, best “thing” - to basically be a part of something when it was new and fresh.

    And for iOS, there is an app in development, available through TestFlight, called Mlem, though it is no Apollo, plus someone is developing a kit to allow existing Reddit apps to port over to the Lemmy? Beehaw? APIs.

    Anyway, this blackout is the perfect opportunity to check out the Lemmy fediverse, if you haven’t already. I’m excited for it, and can’t wait to see what comes of it.
    freeassociate2williamlondonappleinsideruserdrdavidforgot usernamedav
  • Reply 2 of 12
    Isn't that convenient that Apple takes their reddit tags away with their 30% fees they charge. For shame, for shame.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 3 of 12
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    Isn't that convenient that Apple takes their reddit tags away with their 30% fees they charge. For shame, for shame.
    Apple hasn't done anything.  You've fundamentally misunderstood the story dude.
    bageljoeywilliamlondonappleinsideruserbonobobwatto_cobrablastdoorxyzzy01forgot usernameradarthekatbeowulfschmidt
  • Reply 4 of 12
    Oh I get it, but the principle of what they "whomever" removed based on the fees Apple charges is hypocritical. Everyone need to make business changes, as such Reddit in this case. So yes Apple set a standard of high fees, and it should be OK for others to follow - fundamentally.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 5 of 12
    Oh I get it, but the principle of what they "whomever" removed based on the fees Apple charges is hypocritical. Everyone need to make business changes, as such Reddit in this case. So yes Apple set a standard of high fees, and it should be OK for others to follow - fundamentally.
    No you really don’t. One could go down that rabbit hole endlessly. You’re just here to be a knob.
    williamlondonwatto_cobrablastdoorxyzzy01dav
  • Reply 6 of 12
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,898moderator
    Oh I get it, but the principle of what they "whomever" removed based on the fees Apple charges is hypocritical. Everyone need to make business changes, as such Reddit in this case. So yes Apple set a standard of high fees, and it should be OK for others to follow - fundamentally.
    What the market will bear end what is needed to cover costs.  If Reddit feels it needs to impose these charges, then so be it.  The business will live or die based on its decisions.   Apple seems ti provide tremendous value to developers and to customers through its App Store end time has shown that what they charge for that they provide is okay with the market.  We shall see how things go for Reddit in this regard.  
    forgot usernameFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 7 of 12
    Once again, people want to use a thing they didn't build, and don't maintain, and they want to use it for free.  And when they cannot use it for free, they complain.

    Good luck with that.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 8 of 12
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    Oh I get it, but the principle of what they "whomever" removed based on the fees Apple charges is hypocritical. Everyone need to make business changes, as such Reddit in this case. So yes Apple set a standard of high fees, and it should be OK for others to follow - fundamentally.
    People protest against Apple's fees and have tried to challenge them in court too.  I'm not sure what point you think you're making.  There is no hypocrisy.
    dav
  • Reply 9 of 12
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    Once again, people want to use a thing they didn't build, and don't maintain, and they want to use it for free.  And when they cannot use it for free, they complain.

    Good luck with that.
    Did you not read the story either?

    The issue isn't with Reddit charging for access, it's to do with the pricing being set so high as to make third party applications untenable, despite assuring those developers for months that everything would be reasonable.  And then cutting off communication and slandering those third party developers (of Apollo) in interviews, and doubling down when the recording proved that you lied.

    Reddit's management have behaved atrociously here, and the protests are being held by Reddit's users, not the developer of Apollo, who was not complaining publicly at all until he was slandered.

    But sure, support the big corporation shitting on one of the developers who helped enrich their platform, raising its popularity.  They're the real victims, right?
    edited June 2023 williamlondonFileMakerFellermuthuk_vanalingamdav
  • Reply 10 of 12
    chutzpah said:
    Once again, people want to use a thing they didn't build, and don't maintain, and they want to use it for free.  And when they cannot use it for free, they complain.

    Good luck with that.
    Did you not read the story either?

    The issue isn't with Reddit charging for access, it's to do with the pricing being set so high as to make third party applications untenable, despite assuring those developers for months that everything would be reasonable.  And then cutting off communication and slandering those third party developers (of Apollo) in interviews, and doubling down when the recording proved that you lied.

    Reddit's management have behaved atrociously here, and the protests are being held by Reddit's users, not the developer of Apollo, who was not complaining publicly at all until he was slandered.

    But sure, support the big corporation shitting on one of the developers who helped enrich their platform, raising its popularity.  They're the real victims, right?

    I read the article.  Your argument boils down to the same "30% is too much and isn't fair" that Apple gets for the App Store.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 11 of 12
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    chutzpah said:
    Once again, people want to use a thing they didn't build, and don't maintain, and they want to use it for free.  And when they cannot use it for free, they complain.

    Good luck with that.
    Did you not read the story either?

    The issue isn't with Reddit charging for access, it's to do with the pricing being set so high as to make third party applications untenable, despite assuring those developers for months that everything would be reasonable.  And then cutting off communication and slandering those third party developers (of Apollo) in interviews, and doubling down when the recording proved that you lied.

    Reddit's management have behaved atrociously here, and the protests are being held by Reddit's users, not the developer of Apollo, who was not complaining publicly at all until he was slandered.

    But sure, support the big corporation shitting on one of the developers who helped enrich their platform, raising its popularity.  They're the real victims, right?

    I read the article.  Your argument boils down to the same "30% is too much and isn't fair" that Apple gets for the App Store.
    Has Apple ever publicly slandered any of the developers that sell on the App Store?

    Boil that down.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamdav
  • Reply 12 of 12
    Once again, people want to use a thing they didn't build, and don't maintain, and they want to use it for free.  And when they cannot use it for free, they complain.

    Good luck with that.
    ??? Who built Reddit into the community that it is?

    One should also examine the obverse of your argument: there's a company CEO who has happily been giving something away for free for more than a decade but who suddenly discovered that someone took advantage of that to build a data set and leveraged it to create a valuable service. Now that the value has been siphoned from what he controls he wants to try and claim that the value is still there, and protect it - when it's clear to the users that the value he's trying to protect only benefits the company and not the community that provided that data in the first place, and the proposed method of protection harms the community.

    If you're going to offer something for free, you can't change your mind later (unless you offer something else, of more value to your customers, for free in its place). Otherwise it is rightly viewed as a bait and switch.
    muthuk_vanalingamdav
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