Apple is inventing a revolutionary car audio system for Apple Car

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Most of Apple's work on the Apple Car has been concerned with construction and design, but the company is inventing a whole new stereo system for the vehicle.




If countless Apple patent applications over the years have hidden how they were really to do with Apple Vision Pro, doubtlessly so many have actually been about the Apple Car. Yet now it's as if Apple has given up trying to be secretive, because despite still not confirming a car is coming, it's filed five new patent applications that are all about audio in the car.

Apple does seem to have adopted the phrase "enclosed environment" as a euphemism for car. Each of the five new patent applications uses that term and most do say it could apply to buildings, but all also say vehicles and some cannot be anything else.

Such as one about the speakers in a headrest. Maybe you've just turned your head to check traffic ahead of a turning, or maybe you're leaning out of the car window ordering a McDonalds, but still Apple won't let you miss a moment of a podcast.

Honestly, it's a diagram of a headrest speaker system
Honestly, it's a diagram of a headrest speaker system



"Because the head of the occupant may be disposed in the near field of the headrest speakers when the occupant is seated in the seat, movements of the occupant's head and/or ears may affect the acoustic experience of the occupant," says this patent application. "Aspects of the subject technology provide for modifications to audio output(s) from one or more speakers) mounted in a headrest, based on tracking of the location of the occupant's head and/or ears relative to the locations) of the speaker(s)."

Or then there's another patent application about speakers, but this time in a car door, or what Apple calls an "Access-Feature-Mounted External Speaker." And Apple is sweating the details about how a door speaker sounds when that door is open or closed.

"In a closed position of the door, sound from the access-feature-mounted external speaker may be projected into a gap between the door and a structural interface of an enclosure, and redirected in part by the structural interface to a location external to the enclosure," says Apple. "In an open position of the door, sound from the speaker may be projected into an opening in the enclosure."

The segments to left and right of the middle appear to be speakers in the doors. It doesn't follow that Apple Car will only have two doors, though.
The segments to left and right of the middle appear to be speakers in the doors. It doesn't follow that Apple Car will only have two doors, though.



Then you tend to open and close car doors because you're getting in or out -- and your iPhone is going with you. Apple Car will seemingly have the same Handoff that we now get with, say, iPhones transferring playing music to a HomePod.

"[When] a user carries their portable electronic device into a vehicle, the vehicle can receive audio content from the portable electronic device," says Apple, "and generate audio output that better fills the enclosed space within the vehicle than would be possible using only the speakers) of the portable electronic device."

There is an issue, though, of what happens when you have two or more people in the car at once, all with iPhones and all with strong opinions about the music you should be listening to. We've already seen one result from this type of research, with in-car SharePlay coming as part of CarPlay in iOS 17.

But there is more. "Occupant-based Audio Control for Enclosed Environments" -- that euphemism again -- is about getting the best sound balance for the driver and for wherever the passengers are sitting.

That all leads to the last of the five new patent applications, and one that really shows just how Apple plays a long game. "Sound Stage Orientation For Enclosed Environments" takes everything Apple has said about Spatial Audio, everything it has promised about it for Vision Pro, and puts it in a car.

Unlike Spatial Audio on an iPhone or with Vision Pro, it can't be aimed at one person when you're in a car. Instead, this is group Spatial Audio -- and it's also a hint about seat arrangements in the Apple Car, which is then further a direct reference to autonomous driving, too.

For at first this patent application notes that "spatially oriented audio can... also be provided... in other enclosed environments in which all of the seats face in the same direction (e.g., in a vehicle in which all of the seats face in the forward direction of the vehicle.)"

Diagram of an audiophile's dream car speaker system with group Spatial Audio
Diagram of an audiophile's dream car speaker system with group Spatial Audio



"However, challenges can arise when providing spatially-oriented audio content in an enclosed environment in which the seats and/or the listeners (e.g., listeners seated in the seats) are oriented at various different orientations," it continues.

"For example, in an autonomous vehicle (e.g., a fully autonomous vehicle or a semiautonomous vehicle in an autonomous driving mode) the seats of the vehicle may not need to face the front of the vehicle," says the patent, "and there may thus be an opportunity to (e.g., at times when the vehicle is in an autonomous driving mode) orient the seats to face each other, or to face a central interior location (e.g., to facilitate communication or interaction between occupants of the vehicle)."

"In these configurations, spatially-oriented audio that is oriented with the same left-to-right orientation for all occupants/seats may create an undesirable and or unpleasant or confusing audio experience for one or more of the occupants that are oriented differently from the orientation of the audio content," it continues.

Apple may still be playing dumb whenever asked about an Apple Car. But when that car comes, it's going to have a fantastic sound system.

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  • Reply 1 of 23
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,440member
    Turbo Spatial Audio GT
    Anilu_777neoncatgatorguywatto_cobraFileMakerFellerbyronl
  • Reply 2 of 23
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,031member
    Yes, but will it have CarPlay or some lame proprietary system? ;-)
    darkvaderwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 23
    neoncatneoncat Posts: 165member
    "revolutionary" ... now this is just silly. It's car audio. The last time I heard someone refer to car audio with those kind of hyperventilated, pre-orgasmic superlatives was like 20 years ago listening to some dubious high school drop out try to sell me on the "magic of Blaupunkt" (yes, he really did say "magic" ... magical and amazing, tho?)
    darkvaderwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 23
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,743member
    But „will it blend“, erm, will it support Android Auto?  B)
    darkvaderappleinsideruserwatto_cobrabaconstang
  • Reply 5 of 23
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    There is no Apple car.  There isn't going to be an Apple car.

    It would take at least a decade of serious work for Apple to get to the point where they could even think about releasing a car.  They aren't doing that work, they haven't even started doing that work.  They're playing around with car audio, which may or may not ever be part of a product for somebody else's car.  But they're not making a car.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 6 of 23
    thrangthrang Posts: 1,036member
    darkvader said:
    There is no Apple car.  There isn't going to be an Apple car.

    It would take at least a decade of serious work for Apple to get to the point where they could even think about releasing a car.  They aren't doing that work, they haven't even started doing that work.  They're playing around with car audio, which may or may not ever be part of a product for somebody else's car.  But they're not making a car.
    No one knows anything but Apple. But if there is any veracity to the rumors, including the car testing site they purportedly purchased, they have been "playing" for several years...
    edited July 2023 watto_cobraFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 7 of 23
    sbdudesbdude Posts: 291member
    neoncat said:
    "revolutionary" ... now this is just silly. It's car audio. The last time I heard someone refer to car audio with those kind of hyperventilated, pre-orgasmic superlatives was like 20 years ago listening to some dubious high school drop out try to sell me on the "magic of Blaupunkt" (yes, he really did say "magic" ... magical and amazing, tho?)

    That anyone could put the words "magic" and "blaupunkt" in the same sentence is beyond me.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 23
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,837member
    Volvo is owned by Geely but publicly listed and a potential takeover target. Were Apple to buy Volvo and re-build all of the non-realtime architecture and software that would be brilliant. They use android currently. I've looked at Volvo's upcoming EX series cars. They are in one case at least, cheaper than the "equivalent" Teslas and in that case better performing. One review by a Volvo aficionado however, highlighted the usual android issues. The driver facing software in his experience was laggy and buggy. Volvo's electric sales however, are growing rapidly and the company intends to build vehicles in the US. What do people here think, a good fit?
    watto_cobraspheric
  • Reply 9 of 23
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,612member
    I’m with DarkVader on this one. Apple might be building as many as ONE car, for demo purposes.

    There is absolutely ZERO chance Apple is going to, or even could, mass produce cars on its own. You can’t hide a vehicle manufacturing plant no matter how hard you try, and even if you could you would have had to start building it at least 15 years ago.

    There’s basically two options, in order of likelihood IMO:

    1. Apple is building exactly what they showed us last year: a next-gen CarPlay that controls the interior experience even more than before, and will license this technology to car companies that are interested in a superior driving experience, because they know that sells cars. GM and Tesla have SO screwed themselves.

    2, Very similar to the above, but add on a dedicated — maybe even exclusive — manufacturing partner like BMW and also use Apple Technology to incorporate more sensors, FaceID, Find My, and other technology to enhance BOTH the interior experience and some of the actual mechanical experience as well in a true partner collaboration

    Either way, it won’t be cheap!
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 23
    dk49dk49 Posts: 284member
    To be launched in 2100
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 23
    XedXed Posts: 2,889member
    I hope they are partnering with FreeFrom to include a bespoke turntable.
    watto_cobrabaconstang
  • Reply 12 of 23
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,743member
    chasm said:
    I’m with DarkVader on this one. Apple might be building as many as ONE car, for demo purposes.

    There is absolutely ZERO chance Apple is going to, or even could, mass produce cars on its own. You can’t hide a vehicle manufacturing plant no matter how hard you try, and even if you could you would have had to start building it at least 15 years ago.

    There’s basically two options, in order of likelihood IMO:

    1. Apple is building exactly what they showed us last year: a next-gen CarPlay that controls the interior experience even more than before, and will license this technology to car companies that are interested in a superior driving experience, because they know that sells cars. GM and Tesla have SO screwed themselves.

    2, Very similar to the above, but add on a dedicated — maybe even exclusive — manufacturing partner like BMW and also use Apple Technology to incorporate more sensors, FaceID, Find My, and other technology to enhance BOTH the interior experience and some of the actual mechanical experience as well in a true partner collaboration

    Either way, it won’t be cheap!
    But you are aware that you can offload the actual production to a third-party, right? Just look up Magna, e.g.

    I‘d agree on the price point, however.
    edited July 2023 watto_cobraAppleZulu
  • Reply 13 of 23
    doggonedoggone Posts: 401member
    CarPlay is cool.  I don't have it my current cars but have used it in hire cars.  It is a great experience when it is available.  So making it better would be good and if car makers could provide options for both CarPlay and Android that would be ideal for the customer (not that they would).
    Part of me would love a see an AppleCar on the market, part of me thinks it will be too expensive and unable to compete.  But then Apple have done this many times and succeeded and Tesla basically made the electric car market work but selling high end cars.  
    My next car will be electric but that is a few years down the road. I doubt that Apple will have a car out by then and I'm not sure I would want to have a first gen car unless it was absolutely superb.  I've been a first adopter for several Apple products but only when they have the features I needed (rMBP, silicon MBP, AppleWatch, AirPods) but waited for others for the features to appear (iPhone 3GS, iPad, Mac mini).
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 23
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 173member
    iqatedo said:
    Volvo is owned by Geely but publicly listed and a potential takeover target. Were Apple to buy Volvo and re-build all of the non-realtime architecture and software that would be brilliant. They use android currently. I've looked at Volvo's upcoming EX series cars. They are in one case at least, cheaper than the "equivalent" Teslas and in that case better performing. One review by a Volvo aficionado however, highlighted the usual android issues. The driver facing software in his experience was laggy and buggy. Volvo's electric sales however, are growing rapidly and the company intends to build vehicles in the US. What do people here think, a good fit?
    Nope….Gelly is Chinese co. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 23
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,185member
    chasm said:
    I’m with DarkVader on this one. Apple might be building as many as ONE car, for demo purposes.

    There is absolutely ZERO chance Apple is going to, or even could, mass produce cars on its own. You can’t hide a vehicle manufacturing plant no matter how hard you try, and even if you could you would have had to start building it at least 15 years ago.

    There’s basically two options, in order of likelihood IMO:

    1. Apple is building exactly what they showed us last year: a next-gen CarPlay that controls the interior experience even more than before, and will license this technology to car companies that are interested in a superior driving experience, because they know that sells cars. GM and Tesla have SO screwed themselves.

    2, Very similar to the above, but add on a dedicated — maybe even exclusive — manufacturing partner like BMW and also use Apple Technology to incorporate more sensors, FaceID, Find My, and other technology to enhance BOTH the interior experience and some of the actual mechanical experience as well in a true partner collaboration

    Either way, it won’t be cheap!
    1. Apple is many times larger than any existing car company. They absolutely have the resources to make cars. They won’t be like Elon Musk feverishly trying to crank up production of Tesla 3s in a race to sell enough before he goes bankrupt. 

    2. Lucid. Rivian. Fisker. Canoo. Rimac. Faraday Future. Byron. The list goes on. If new, tiny companies can pop up and make cars, Apple can make cars. Keep in mind that not having to make internal combustion engines and transmissions really simplifies the manufacturing process. 

    3. Apple doesn’t “make” iPhones, either. There is no Apple iPhone factory. They hire companies to do their manufacturing, to their specs. There are car factories all over the world that could be candidates for manufacturing Apple’s car. They could be tooling up as we speak, and you wouldn’t know it. If you’ve been waiting to see Tim Cook with a golden shovel breaking ground on an Apple Car factory, you haven’t been paying attention. 
    edited July 2023
  • Reply 16 of 23
    XedXed Posts: 2,889member
    chasm said:
    I’m with DarkVader on this one. Apple might be building as many as ONE car, for demo purposes.

    There is absolutely ZERO chance Apple is going to, or even could, mass produce cars on its own. You can’t hide a vehicle manufacturing plant no matter how hard you try, and even if you could you would have had to start building it at least 15 years ago.

    There’s basically two options, in order of likelihood IMO:

    1. Apple is building exactly what they showed us last year: a next-gen CarPlay that controls the interior experience even more than before, and will license this technology to car companies that are interested in a superior driving experience, because they know that sells cars. GM and Tesla have SO screwed themselves.

    2, Very similar to the above, but add on a dedicated — maybe even exclusive — manufacturing partner like BMW and also use Apple Technology to incorporate more sensors, FaceID, Find My, and other technology to enhance BOTH the interior experience and some of the actual mechanical experience as well in a true partner collaboration

    Either way, it won’t be cheap!
    Define “mass produce”?

    Apple typically starts at the higher end of the market and works down. We are seeing with with Vision Pro. I could see them making an automobile that would have dominate mindshare. We already see this with many other auto makers that sell nearly no units compared to the biggest companies. We've also now seen a new player come into the market and become very popular. So why would any success in this market be impossible?
  • Reply 17 of 23
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,159member
    Maybe you can order it with one of Ive's / Linn turntables installed...
  • Reply 18 of 23
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,743member
    baconstang said:
    Maybe you can order it with one of Ive's / Linn turntables installed...
    Kinda like this?


    Src.: https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-watsons-go-to-birmingham-1963-chapter-8.htm

    Next could be then following up on FIAT with their in-car espresso machine:


    Src.: https://blog.consumerguide.com/the-fiat-500l-brings-the-coffee-machine-into-the-car/
    edited July 2023 baconstang
  • Reply 19 of 23
    chasm said:
    I’m with DarkVader on this one. Apple might be building as many as ONE car, for demo purposes.

    There is absolutely ZERO chance Apple is going to, or even could, mass produce cars on its own. You can’t hide a vehicle manufacturing plant no matter how hard you try, and even if you could you would have had to start building it at least 15 years ago.

    There’s basically two options, in order of likelihood IMO:

    1. Apple is building exactly what they showed us last year: a next-gen CarPlay that controls the interior experience even more than before, and will license this technology to car companies that are interested in a superior driving experience, because they know that sells cars. GM and Tesla have SO screwed themselves.

    2, Very similar to the above, but add on a dedicated — maybe even exclusive — manufacturing partner like BMW and also use Apple Technology to incorporate more sensors, FaceID, Find My, and other technology to enhance BOTH the interior experience and some of the actual mechanical experience as well in a true partner collaboration

    Either way, it won’t be cheap!
    You do realize that Apple's manufacturing partner, Foxconn, owns (at least partially) the former GM plant (last built the Chevy Cruze) in Lordstown, OH. Foxconn was to partner with Lordstown Motors to build the Endurance EV pickup, but Lordstown Motors filed Chapter 11 last month. Just saying that there is manufacturing bandwidth out there that Apple could easily tap in to. 
  • Reply 20 of 23
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    baconstang said:
    Maybe you can order it with one of Ive's / Linn turntables installed...
    Kinda like this?


    Src.: https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-watsons-go-to-birmingham-1963-chapter-8.htm

    Next could be then following up on FIAT with their in-car espresso machine:


    Src.: https://blog.consumerguide.com/the-fiat-500l-brings-the-coffee-machine-into-the-car/
    Damn, 5 nminutes ago I wasn't even aware that you could have coffee making appliances in a car, and now I absolutely have to have this.
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