Apple is working on a giant iMac, but it isn't coming soon

Jump to First Reply
Posted:
in Current Mac Hardware edited July 2023

Apple's rumored large-screen iMac is still being considered by the company, but while a 32-inch model is a prospect, it may not be one that gets launched until later than first thought.

24-inch iMac
24-inch iMac



Following the discontinuation of the 27-inch iMac, users have waited for Apple to produce an upscaled version of the 24-inch iMac, but that so far hasn't surfaced. A report now claims that customers may have a while longer to wait before being able to enjoy the larger display.

In the subscriber edition of the "Power On" newsletter for Bloomberg, Mark Gurman insists that Apple is experimenting with big-screen versions of the iMac. However, development is so early that a lot could change.

Gurman himself has previously reported the inclusion of a 30-inch or larger display in the New iMac, and in the newsletter, he identifies 32 inches as one potential size. He doubts that Apple will actually release the model anytime soon, and that it probably won't surface before the end of 2024.

So far, rumors about the larger iMac put it as having a similar design to the 24-inch model, complete with thin bezels and the new-style display stand. By shrinking the bezels, the overall size of the 30 or 32-inch model could end up being physically similar to the previous 27-inch version.

If a 30-inch iMac isn't enough for some users, there could be an even longer wait for even bigger variants. In April, a report insisted that a 42-inch iMac was possibly slated for a 2027 release.

On the 24-inch iMac running on M3, Gurman said in March that it won't launch until late 2023 or early 2024. In Sunday's newsletter, he has revised his estimate to be early 2024 for that particular model.

Read on AppleInsider

«13

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 49
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,847member
    A 30” iMac is reasonable as it will be smaller than the old 30” cinema displays of the mid-2000s.    
    32” would be nice, but 42” just seems like a typo to me.  No way.  

    That said, a 30” iMac with a M3+Pro or Max chip is all I can imagine Apple putting in it to justify the price.  It would have to be $2999 or more.   

    iMacs, Mac Studios, and Mac Pros only make up 1% each of Mac sales.    I don’t understand why Apple would even bother with another iMac beyond the 24”.   Nostalgia?   
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 2 of 49
    rods5rods5 Posts: 6member
    We have 2 - 27” iMac’s, one was purchased in 2017 and the other in 2015.  We are waiting for a new iMac that is as large or larger than 27”.   We won’t purchase the 24” models.  We have had the 27” versions when the first came out and have had at least 3, times 2, versions if not more since the 27” iMac were introduced.

    Come on Apple, please bring out a larger than 24” iMac.  We are waiting…
    9secondkox2danoxbaconstangappleinsideruserAlex1Npulseimages
     6Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 3 of 49
    AniMillanimill Posts: 196member
    1% of any sale at Apple equals about 3 billion dollars. It’s not a rounding error, nor an aberration of sales. Mac is the soul of Apple, it drives the hive of diehards that - though word of mouth - prop up iPhone. Yet if the Mac is the soul, iPhone is the entire body - we gotta have both for a functioning human.

    As for a 32” iMac Pro, I relied upon my 27” for years. It was a beast and beautiful to work at and behold. I’m still bummed Apple would not come up with a low latency Target Display mode for the old 5K iMacs to use them with any M1/3 device.
    baconstangappleinsideruserAlex1N
     3Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 4 of 49
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,670member
    A 302” iMac would be just right. An upgrade over the old 27” which was amazing for its time. 

    It would also fit perfectly in the desktop lineup. You have 24” iMac and Mac mini at the low end, Mac Studio and Mac Pro at the high end, and the big iMac going all the way from base m series chip to the Ultra as the everything Mac. 

    Ultra thin bezels or infinity edge with the bezels tucked behind the screen would be amazing. The bezels look pretty tiny at 32” as it is. 

    I don’t think a 42” iMac is impossible. Especially if it’s a retina resolution at a super ultrawide format. 

    Ultrawide are amazing for editing as they offer the ability to see so much more on a timeline. Audio and video editors will especially love this. 

    The various ultrawide and super ultrawide monitors out now are great to use, but they completely miss the ball with resolution. If Apple can manage an ultrawide 42” with retina resolution and the GPU to drive it, boom. Revolutionary. The m3 Ultra would do nicely. Perhaps that version of the larger iMac would be the iMac Pro. The regular 32” iMac would have the standard aspect ratio. 

    One things for sure. With the long wait, hopefully it doesn’t turn out like the Mac Pro did. Sheesh. 
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 5 of 49
    Here we go again! They already have a Retina (218 ppi) 4.5K foundation for this generation of iMac, which would only be incrementally larger at Retina 5K with the current bezels. Both the 21" and the 27" are gone, replaced by the 24". But that does not mean a larger unit is not in the works.

    So then, what Retina resolution might they be looking at? Here is a list of 16:9 HD (high definition) resolutions. For fun, I've included some of the higher multiples that have never been used. The obvious target for a 30" Retina iMac is 3240p. I'd also love to see them come out with two new Studio Displays at 2520p and 3240p, matching the iMacs. Let Apple's marketing people figure out what to call those resolutions. Thunderbolt 5 puts all of these possible higher resolutions into play, but for 3600p and above, I think we're looking at panels denser than 218 ppi. Dell's 31.5" 4320p (8K) is 280 ppi.

    720p = "HD" = 1280x720
    1080p = 1920x1080 (1.5x 720p)
    1440p = 2560x1440 (2x 720p)
    2160p = "4K" = 3840x2160 (3x 720p; 2x 1080p)
    2520p = "4.5K" = 4480x2520 (3.5x 720p)
    2880p = "5K" = 5120x2880 (4x 720p)
    3240p = 5760x3240 (4.5x 720p; 3x 1080p)
    3600p = 6400x3600 (5x 720p)
    4320p = "8K" = 7680x4320 (6x 720p; 4x 1080p)
    5040p = 8960x5040 (7x 720p)
    5400p = 9600x5400 (5x 1080p)
    5760p = 10240x5760 (8x 720p)

    2019 Apple "6K" = 6016x3384 (4.7x 720p)
    2023 Dell "6K" = 6144x3456 (4.8x 720p)
    edited July 2023
    entropysAlex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 6 of 49
    thttht Posts: 6,018member
    My 2013 iMac 27" is sitting in the family computer room, still functional. So I await this 30" model as long as my old one continues to work.

    However, don't think I'm willing to pay $3000+ for a replacement. Maybe $2000? But that isn't going to happen with Apple's current display trends. This display is likely to be a 5.5K resolution monitor, miniLED and 120 Hz. $3000 for barebones model if were lucky.

    So, probably will go with a Mac mini and a 32" display instead.
    appleinsideruserdewme
     1Like 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 7 of 49
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 6,006member
    This definitely will not be an iMac Pro...even if Apple slaps the name on it. 

    It's also great how Mark Gurman leaves the door wide open to change his story every other month so he can claim he's right. 
    edited July 2023
    baconstangAlex1N9secondkox2dewme
     3Likes 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 8 of 49
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,193member
    I went from a 17" to a 24" to a 27" retina.  I'm not going back to something smaller.
    Since the 24" 4K5 M1 came out, I've said many times I'm looking for a 30" 5K5 to replace my maxed, late, 2015.  
    I spent about $3K5 on that iMac in early 2016.  I don't expect to pay less for a 30" M2 or M3 max now.


    Alex1N9secondkox2
     2Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 9 of 49
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,471member
    A 32 inch iMac would be 6K.

    it would not be the computer for the rest of us. Only those with enormous amounts of discretionary funds.

    I think 27 inch is the max we could go and keep the RRP remotely real.
    9secondkox2Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 10 of 49
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,670member
    entropys said:
    A 32 inch iMac would be 6K.

    it would not be the computer for the rest of us. Only those with enormous amounts of discretionary funds.

    I think 27 inch is the max we could go and keep the RRP remotely real.
    It SHOULD be 6k by now. Nearly a decade since the 5k iMac was a thing. A decade prior to the 5k, iMacs were only 17” and 20” and not even HD. The progress made in 2015 was astounding, yet the price was great. 6k from 5k another 9-10 years later is nothing compared to that. 

    If Apple could price the 27” 5k what they did in 2015, they most certainly can give us a reasonable 30-32” 6k today (next year). It’s the least it should be by now. 
    edited July 2023
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 11 of 49
    AniMill said:
    I’m still bummed Apple would not come up with a low latency Target Display mode for the old 5K iMacs to use them with any M1/3 device.
    Yeah, that would be great, but sadly unlikely. A Mac Mini strapped to the back would be great.
    Alex1Ndewme
     2Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 12 of 49
    thttht Posts: 6,018member
    entropys said:
    A 32 inch iMac would be 6K.

    it would not be the computer for the rest of us. Only those with enormous amounts of discretionary funds.

    I think 27 inch is the max we could go and keep the RRP remotely real.
    It SHOULD be 6k by now. Nearly a decade since the 5k iMac was a thing. A decade prior to the 5k, iMacs were only 17” and 20” and not even HD. The progress made in 2015 was astounding, yet the price was great. 6k from 5k another 9-10 years later is nothing compared to that. 

    If Apple could price the 27” 5k what they did in 2015, they most certainly can give us a reasonable 30-32” 6k today (next year). It’s the least it should be by now. 
    I bet the lack of 5K and 6K monitors is one of the bad decisions from Apple's beliefs in where the PC space was heading in the 2011 to 2016 time frame. Apple made a lot of bad Mac and iPad product decisions during this time that they are still recovering from in the Apple silicon era.

    When they dropped selling Apple branded monitor+dock products in 2014 to 2015 time frame, I bet they were thinking that there would be a proliferation of 5K Thunderbolt monitors that would commoditize the market. Hence, Apple felt there was no benefit to make a Thunderbolt 3 monitor. Instead of that happening, the monitor market in the PC space stayed at 4K or less and all the display investment went into making 120 Hz to 240 Hz 2K to 4K monitors. No other PC product or company was driving the need for hi-DPI monitors.

    This also convinced Intel to not increase bandwidth for Thunderbolt 4 imo. Apple really wants to sell a Thunderbolt monitor with a built-in dock. It's a 1 cable lifestyle. It's great. But without a bandwidth increase in TB4, it meant external monitor resolutions were capped to 5K/6K 60 Hz, and Apple's Pro Display XDR is so bandwidth limited, it only has USB2, 5 Gbyte/s, level ports.

    So, Apple is the basically only company that is driving 220 DPI monitors. With Samsung now selling a 6K monitor - uh, is it HDMI or TB4 input? - this will hopefully drive down the cost of 6K panels. And, the proliferation of miniLED monitors has been super slow too. This level of product really needs 40,000 backlights with 10,000 dimmable zones.

    So I don't think you will see a 6K 120 Hz monitors until Thunderbolt 5 or it's part of an iMac 32" product. A 6K 60 Hz miniLED with 10k zones? It isn't going to be cheap.
    Alex1Nentropysappleinsideruser
     2Likes 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 13 of 49
    boboliciousbobolicious Posts: 1,201member
    entropys said:
    A 32 inch iMac would be 6K.

    it would not be the computer for the rest of us. Only those with enormous amounts of discretionary funds.

    I think 27 inch is the max we could go and keep the RRP remotely real.
    My hopes remain for both a gently curved 40" 110 dpi (4k) iMac that could be more affordable 'for the rest of us' and an 8k 220 dpi Retina iMac for those that feel the need, with both resolving to the same scale as the 27" Thunderbolt displays of which so many are still in service...
    edited July 2023
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 14 of 49
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,670member
    tht said:
    entropys said:
    A 32 inch iMac would be 6K.

    it would not be the computer for the rest of us. Only those with enormous amounts of discretionary funds.

    I think 27 inch is the max we could go and keep the RRP remotely real.
    It SHOULD be 6k by now. Nearly a decade since the 5k iMac was a thing. A decade prior to the 5k, iMacs were only 17” and 20” and not even HD. The progress made in 2015 was astounding, yet the price was great. 6k from 5k another 9-10 years later is nothing compared to that. 

    If Apple could price the 27” 5k what they did in 2015, they most certainly can give us a reasonable 30-32” 6k today (next year). It’s the least it should be by now. 
    I bet the lack of 5K and 6K monitors is one of the bad decisions from Apple's beliefs in where the PC space was heading in the 2011 to 2016 time frame. Apple made a lot of bad Mac and iPad product decisions during this time that they are still recovering from in the Apple silicon era.

    When they dropped selling Apple branded monitor+dock products in 2014 to 2015 time frame, I bet they were thinking that there would be a proliferation of 5K Thunderbolt monitors that would commoditize the market. Hence, Apple felt there was no benefit to make a Thunderbolt 3 monitor. Instead of that happening, the monitor market in the PC space stayed at 4K or less and all the display investment went into making 120 Hz to 240 Hz 2K to 4K monitors. No other PC product or company was driving the need for hi-DPI monitors.

    This also convinced Intel to not increase bandwidth for Thunderbolt 4 imo. Apple really wants to sell a Thunderbolt monitor with a built-in dock. It's a 1 cable lifestyle. It's great. But without a bandwidth increase in TB4, it meant external monitor resolutions were capped to 5K/6K 60 Hz, and Apple's Pro Display XDR is so bandwidth limited, it only has USB2, 5 Gbyte/s, level ports.

    So, Apple is the basically only company that is driving 220 DPI monitors. With Samsung now selling a 6K monitor - uh, is it HDMI or TB4 input? - this will hopefully drive down the cost of 6K panels. And, the proliferation of miniLED monitors has been super slow too. This level of product really needs 40,000 backlights with 10,000 dimmable zones.

    So I don't think you will see a 6K 120 Hz monitors until Thunderbolt 5 or it's part of an iMac 32" product. A 6K 60 Hz miniLED with 10k zones? It isn't going to be cheap.
    False. Apple brought 5k into a world of hd and 4K monitors to one up everyone - plus they HAD to in order to scale retina quality screen elements properly. 

    There was nothing from Intel or anyone else to allow for a 5k display at the time. SO APPLE INVENTED a way to make it work. 

    And… Apple CURRENTLY sells a 6k display that connects via thunderbolt. It doesn’t have to be 120hz. The studio display isn’t even 120 hz. 

    But it probably will be. Because it will one-up the studio. Wether Intel is part of it or not. It’s not some external monitor that needs a standardized cable. It’s INTERNAL. like the 5k iMac was. Apple can easily repeat history and invent a connector. Or even double up. There is zero barrier here. 

    So a 6k iMac display is literally the easiest thing they can do. They don’t have to invent a new connector. They can do like the studio display, just higher resolution. Literally just use tech that’s existed for the last 5 years and put it together. 

    But I think they’ll want to make a statement with this. It will be at least 6k and have promotion. 

    I imagine pricing will run the gamut, with m3 max chips running the lower end and maxed out ultra chips coming under what the Mac Studio+Studio Display cost currently. 
    edited July 2023
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 15 of 49
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,498member
    My assumption is that Apple has prototypes of gigantic TVs/monitors/displays in their labs. Every single commercially viable unit has probably been on Apple engineering campuses for the past 10-15 years as well as a bunch of engineering samples that never made it to market.

    There is probably a 40" iMac sitting in a lab in Cupertino right now.

    It must be pointed out yet again that Apple prototypes thousands of designs and only a handful see the light of day as a shipping SKU.

    Just because they can build something doesn't mean it must be sold as an actual product. For every planned product release, a given unit probably needs to pass 10-12 justifications. It won't be one factor that dooms a particular prototype.

    We do know that Apple's shareholders have long-standing expectations of high gross margins though. Apple is a publicly traded corporation and thus its primary responsibility is to increase shareholder value. Apple does not exist to sell loss leaders.
    edited July 2023
    thttenthousandthings9secondkox2Alex1N
     3Likes 0Dislikes 1Informative
  • Reply 16 of 49
    Been buying iMacs since G3 graphite. Currently using M1 at office. Finally gave up on bigger ones and bought 27” display that rotates to portrait, perfect for composing newspaper pages. My next Mac will be Studio most likely …although then I’ll need a horizontal display as well. But at least I’ll finally be free of the most neglected (?) Mac line. 
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 17 of 49
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,680member
    eriamjh said:
    A 30” iMac is reasonable as it will be smaller than the old 30” cinema displays of the mid-2000s.    
    32” would be nice, but 42” just seems like a typo to me.  No way.  

    That said, a 30” iMac with a M3+Pro or Max chip is all I can imagine Apple putting in it to justify the price.  It would have to be $2999 or more.   

    iMacs, Mac Studios, and Mac Pros only make up 1% each of Mac sales.    I don’t understand why Apple would even bother with another iMac beyond the 24”.   Nostalgia?   
    2 24 inch displays side by side would be 43.5 inches
    42 inch but no taller than the 24inch could be a really popular option instead of 2 screens. 
    It would be to me a similar visual workspace to the VisionPro or at least as close as a desktop could get. 

    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 18 of 49
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,670member
    mattinoz said:
    eriamjh said:
    A 30” iMac is reasonable as it will be smaller than the old 30” cinema displays of the mid-2000s.    
    32” would be nice, but 42” just seems like a typo to me.  No way.  

    That said, a 30” iMac with a M3+Pro or Max chip is all I can imagine Apple putting in it to justify the price.  It would have to be $2999 or more.   

    iMacs, Mac Studios, and Mac Pros only make up 1% each of Mac sales.    I don’t understand why Apple would even bother with another iMac beyond the 24”.   Nostalgia?   
    2 24 inch displays side by side would be 43.5 inches
    42 inch but no taller than the 24inch could be a really popular option instead of 2 screens. 
    It would be to me a similar visual workspace to the VisionPro or at least as close as a desktop could get. 

    The LG and Samsung super ultrawide sat 49” are the equivalent of multiple 27” monitors side by side. That’s more likely what they’d do than 24” heaight. 
     0Likes 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 19 of 49
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    There's an easy fix right now.

    Just get a mini and a non-Apple screen.  I'm telling ALL my clients not to buy iMacs any more.  It's just ridiculous to buy a 24" all in one computer when you can get a computer that's just as powerful and a 30" screen for less money.
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
  • Reply 20 of 49
    darkvader said:
    There's an easy fix right now.

    Just get a mini and a non-Apple screen.  I'm telling ALL my clients not to buy iMacs any more.  It's just ridiculous to buy a 24" all in one computer when you can get a computer that's just as powerful and a 30" screen for less money.
    Yes. But I do like the all-in-one package as i can easily shift it around, which suits my work setup. At risk of going off topic, do you have a recommended hiDPI monitor that is as good as my 5k iMac?
    Alex1N
     1Like 0Dislikes 0Informatives
Sign In or Register to comment.