Apple faces App Tracking Transparency antitrust probe in France

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in iOS edited July 2023

France's antitrust agency has officially launched its investigation into Apple's advertising data practices, with App Tracking Transparency the target for the regulatory probe.




In April, it was believed the French Competition Authority was preparing an antitrust investigation into Apple. On Tuesday, the Authorite de la Concurrence confirmed that it was going to investigate.

In a statement, the regulator confirms it has received a grievance about how Apple handles the sale and distribution of apps on the App Store. In a translation of the statement, Apple is accused of "having abused its dominant position by implementing discriminatory, non-objective and non-transparent conditions for the use of user data for advertising purposes."

Back in 2020, four online advertising groups in France made the complaint against Apple over the introduction of App Tracking Transparency. The program allowed users to have more control over whether apps could track them and report data back, which could be used by marketers for targeted advertising.

The IAB France, MMAF, UDECAM, and SRI all said Apple's changes didn't meet EU privacy rules, though Apple denies this to be the case. At the time, the authority rejected a request for "interim measures" to be placed against Apple, but that it would still look into the matter at hand.

With the opening of the investigation and an official notification to Apple, the regulator explains that it will conduct the probe, complete with written and oral observations, whether or not the grievance is well-founded. During this period, the agency "will not comment further on the practice in question."

In a statement received by AppleInsider about the investigation, Apple insists that it holds its advertising business "to a higher standard of privacy than it requires of any other developer by prompting users for explicit permission before delivering any personalized ads." Apple also has " previously received strong support from regulators and privacy advocates on the goal of ATT, including from the FCA and the CNIL," and the company "will continue to engage with the FCA constructively to ensure users remain in control of their data."

The App Tracking Transparency probe may not be Apple's only advertising issue in the country. Regulatory complaints have been made in the past over advertising tools offered by Apple, with allegations Apple doesn't subject itself to the same rules as third parties.

Apple has also been fined for numerous grievances, including an $8.5M fine over data privacy in iOS 14, and a $366M antitrust fine over alleged price fixing and abusing retailer economic dependency.

Apple's full statement follows:

"App Tracking Transparency (ATT) gives users more control by requiring all apps to ask permission before tracking them. Apple, like all developers, is required to comply with ATT. Apple's apps do not show an ATT prompt because they do not track, meaning they do not link user or device data with user or device data collected from other companies' apps, websites, or offline properties for targeted advertising or advertising measurement purposes, nor do they share user or device data with data brokers.
Additionally, Apple holds its advertising business to a higher standard of privacy than it requires of any other developer by prompting users for explicit permission before delivering any personalized ads. We have previously received strong support from regulators and privacy advocates on the goal of ATT, including from the FCA and the CNIL, and we will continue to engage with the FCA constructively to ensure users remain in control of their data."
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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member
    Advertisers are upset at tracking restrictions? Aw. 
    mike1darelrexwilliamlondondanoxFileMakerFellerbaconstangwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 18
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,308member
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law, and indeed the practice of blocking trackers should BE the law. Advertisers are not entitled to gather information about users by any means necessary. Somehow TV and print advertising survives and thrives without ANY invasive information gathering, why is internet advertising so special that it gains spying rights even the government doesn't have?
    darelrexmknelsonFileMakerFellerbaconstangwatto_cobraStrangeDays
  • Reply 3 of 18
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,573member
    Someone should set up a mock website selling placards for them, complete with people holding these signs:

    "Right to Track"
    "Free Tracking!"
    "Privacy = Death"
    "We will not not be tracked!"
    "Track Together in Peace"
    "Make Tracking Great Again"
    "Save the Trackers"

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 18
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,295member
    Make up your mind EU, do you want privacy or not?
    darelrexwilliamlondondewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    edited July 2023 ctt_zh
  • Reply 6 of 18
    darelrexdarelrex Posts: 138member

    "having abused its dominant position by implementing discriminatory, non-objective and non-transparent conditions for the use of user data for advertising purposes."

    If the user taps "Allow", then you can do it. If the user taps "Ask App Not to Track", then you can't. There, full transparency. And objectivity. And non-discrimination. It's all up to the individual user.

    Would-be invasive advertisers: Now it's time for you to step up and sue each individual user who chooses "Ask App Not to Track", for being opaque, subjective, and discriminatory in that decision.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 18
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,324member
    IAB France - Interactive Advertising Bureau
    MMAF - Mobile Marketing Association France
    UDECAM - France's union of media consulting and buying companies
    SRI - an organisation that represents the interests of management in the value chain of digital advertising in France

    Government again taking its marching orders from greedy corporations accusing Apple of violating privacy rules, the world truly is upside down.

    Hey, gubmint, stop listening to these yahoos, their interest is in monetising your citizens through violations of privacy and psychological manipulations (convincing them to buy things they neither need nor want) for their own bulging bank accounts exclusively.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 18
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?

    They don’t and you damn well know it. Apple doesn’t do tracking across Apps or other services or web pages. This is why you never see searches done on Apple services start to show ads for things you’ve previously searched for (like you see with Google or Facebook).

    Must be upsetting to see Apple show concern for users privacy while your favorite company (Google) is just an advertising firm masquerading as a tech company.
    williamlondonbaconstangwatto_cobraStrangeDays
  • Reply 9 of 18
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,860member
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    williamlondonwatto_cobraStrangeDays
  • Reply 10 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?

    They don’t and you damn well know it. Apple doesn’t do tracking across Apps or other services or web pages. This is why you never see searches done on Apple services start to show ads for things you’ve previously searched for (like you see with Google or Facebook).

    Must be upsetting to see Apple show concern for users privacy while your favorite company (Google) is just an advertising firm masquerading as a tech company.
    It's not a question that pops up out of thin air.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/11/apple-att-italy-antitrust/
    https://www.webpronews.com/the-biggest-beneficiary-of-apples-privacy-crackdown-apple/
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/apple-privacy-suits-claim-app-changes-boost-ad-revenue-1235317305/
    https://www.ft.com/content/074b881f-a931-4986-888e-2ac53e286b9d

    What allows Apple to claim they don't track their users is a uniquely Apple definition of what constitutes "tracking".
    https://publicknowledge.org/apples-privacy-promises-are-undermined-by-its-app-store-rules/
    edited July 2023 ctt_zhFileMakerFellermuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    Here's an idea: If you don't want someone to expand on what they said, don't poke at 'em

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://www.engadget.com/poland-investigating-app-tracking-transparency-feature-205834827.html
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-security-roundup/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/14/apple-class-action-user-tracking-allegations/
    https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-advantages-apples-ad-network-heres-how-to-fix-that/

    I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious. You and I both accepted user tracking (Oops, it's not "tracking") as a condition of using their services. 

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 
    edited July 2023 ctt_zhFileMakerFellermuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 12 of 18
    gatorguy said:
    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 
    I'm virtually certain that even if Meta was only tracking users across their own apps (which we all know they are NOT), most here would still call it "tracking".

    gatorguywilliamlondon
  • Reply 13 of 18
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    Here's an idea: If you don't want someone to expand on what they said, don't poke at 'em

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://www.engadget.com/poland-investigating-app-tracking-transparency-feature-205834827.html
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-security-roundup/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/14/apple-class-action-user-tracking-allegations/
    https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-advantages-apples-ad-network-heres-how-to-fix-that/

    I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious. You and I both accepted user tracking (Oops, it's not "tracking") as a condition of using their services. 

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 
    Is it tracking when a grocery or retailer knows what you bought? Is it nefarious or unfair to use that BI to assist in launching in-house product brands that compete alongside store suppliers?

    That’s what you’re asserting here. And it’s been common practice ever since barcode scanners and databases were implemented in retail.
    edited July 2023 williamlondon
  • Reply 14 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    Here's an idea: If you don't want someone to expand on what they said, don't poke at 'em

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://www.engadget.com/poland-investigating-app-tracking-transparency-feature-205834827.html
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-security-roundup/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/14/apple-class-action-user-tracking-allegations/
    https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-advantages-apples-ad-network-heres-how-to-fix-that/

    I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious. You and I both accepted user tracking (Oops, it's not "tracking") as a condition of using their services. 

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 
    Is it tracking when a grocery or retailer knows what you bought? Is it nefarious or unfair to use that BI to assist in launching in-house product brands that compete alongside store suppliers?

    That’s what you’re asserting here. And it’s been common practice ever since barcode scanners and databases were implemented in retail.
    You should at least read and understand what someone says before responding, don't 'cha think?

    I addressed those points in my initial post, quoting here:
    "I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious." 

    Whether the grocer in collecting and monetizing my food purchase history is "tracking" me, I believe they are.  That's the reward-card trade-off for a discount. But you don't think it's tracking? I don't think very many of us here would agree with you that it's not. 
    edited July 2023 ctt_zh
  • Reply 15 of 18
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,860member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?

    They don’t and you damn well know it. Apple doesn’t do tracking across Apps or other services or web pages. This is why you never see searches done on Apple services start to show ads for things you’ve previously searched for (like you see with Google or Facebook).

    Must be upsetting to see Apple show concern for users privacy while your favorite company (Google) is just an advertising firm masquerading as a tech company.
    It's not a question that pops up out of thin air.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/11/apple-att-italy-antitrust/
    https://www.webpronews.com/the-biggest-beneficiary-of-apples-privacy-crackdown-apple/
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/apple-privacy-suits-claim-app-changes-boost-ad-revenue-1235317305/
    https://www.ft.com/content/074b881f-a931-4986-888e-2ac53e286b9d

    What allows Apple to claim they don't track their users is a uniquely Apple definition of what constitutes "tracking".
    https://publicknowledge.org/apples-privacy-promises-are-undermined-by-its-app-store-rules/
    None of this supports your original assertion by innuendo. This is just a lot more innuendo and noise to follow up with and pretend you actually had something. In other words, SOP for your long-running disinformation campaign. If you aren't benefitting financially, you should seek professional help for your obsession.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 16 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?

    They don’t and you damn well know it. Apple doesn’t do tracking across Apps or other services or web pages. This is why you never see searches done on Apple services start to show ads for things you’ve previously searched for (like you see with Google or Facebook).

    Must be upsetting to see Apple show concern for users privacy while your favorite company (Google) is just an advertising firm masquerading as a tech company.
    It's not a question that pops up out of thin air.
    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/11/apple-att-italy-antitrust/
    https://www.webpronews.com/the-biggest-beneficiary-of-apples-privacy-crackdown-apple/
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/apple-privacy-suits-claim-app-changes-boost-ad-revenue-1235317305/
    https://www.ft.com/content/074b881f-a931-4986-888e-2ac53e286b9d

    What allows Apple to claim they don't track their users is a uniquely Apple definition of what constitutes "tracking".
    https://publicknowledge.org/apples-privacy-promises-are-undermined-by-its-app-store-rules/
    None of this supports your original assertion by innuendo. This is just a lot more innuendo and noise to follow up with and pretend you actually had something. In other words, SOP for your long-running disinformation campaign. If you aren't benefitting financially, you should seek professional help for your obsession.
    Ah, another poke? :)

    So does Apple benefit financially from ATT, and if so is it "fair"? That's what the various investigations are meant to determine isn't it? I'm not the investigator, but if you look at the links, you can see who is. 

    And all that over a question that at least four government agencies are attempting to answer. Of course you wouldn't have known this, nor would some other readers, if you hadn't taken issue with a two word question I asked: "Are they?"

    Thanks for inviting me to comment further. 
    edited July 2023 muthuk_vanalingamctt_zhavon b7
  • Reply 17 of 18
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,053member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    Here's an idea: If you don't want someone to expand on what they said, don't poke at 'em

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://www.engadget.com/poland-investigating-app-tracking-transparency-feature-205834827.html
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-security-roundup/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/14/apple-class-action-user-tracking-allegations/
    https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-advantages-apples-ad-network-heres-how-to-fix-that/

    I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious. You and I both accepted user tracking (Oops, it's not "tracking") as a condition of using their services. 

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 

    Let me correct that so that you're not purposely putting a negative Apple spin on it.

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple any app developer collected user data and analytics across Apple their -owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they Apple claim it's not tracking that is covered under their ATT. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not covered under their ATT?

    What makes you think Apple don't call that "tracking"?  Because their ATT do not cover first party gathering data of their customers using their own services? You do know that Apple explains on their ATT pop-up just exactly what the user is giving permission for the first party to do, right? Right on the pop=up it is asking ........“allow the app to track your activity across other companies’ apps and websites.” What part of " ....... across other companies’ apps and websites.”, don't you understand? Where did you get the notion that Apple ATT covers all "tracking"?  Just because  Apple ATT do not address first party collecting user data on their own services doesn't mean that Apple don't call that "tracking". The "A" in ATT stands for "App," not "All".

    It is common knowledge that when you use an app, you give that app developer permission to harvest any data on you, from you using that app. But that doesn't necessarily give that app developer permission to keep gathering data on you when you use another company's app or log on to another website or to sell that data to a third party the user is unaware of. That kind of "tracking" should require special permission from the user and the developer should not automatically assumed that the user agrees to it (or even know about it) when they use the app. That is the "Transparency" in Apple ATT . Apple ATT is never meant to prohibit first party from gathering data on their customers (when using their services), unless the user allows it.     




    williamlondon
  • Reply 18 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    davidw said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    chasm said:
    So long as Apple is not using those third-party restrictions to gain an unfair advantage, I cannot see how they could possibly be in violation of any law
    That may be one of the issues. Do they?
    Oh, gatorguy, really? Argument by innuendo is even lower than you ought to stoop.
    Here's an idea: If you don't want someone to expand on what they said, don't poke at 'em

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/14/apple-att-germany-fco-antitrust/#:~:text=A major privacy feature Apple,FCO)%20has%20just%20announced%20it's
    https://www.engadget.com/poland-investigating-app-tracking-transparency-feature-205834827.html
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-privacy-analytics-security-roundup/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/14/apple-class-action-user-tracking-allegations/
    https://mobiledevmemo.com/att-advantages-apples-ad-network-heres-how-to-fix-that/

    I'm not the one who's been arguing that they gain an unfair advantage using ATT. Personally I don't think it's a settled question, nor if they do that's it's anything nefarious. You and I both accepted user tracking (Oops, it's not "tracking") as a condition of using their services. 

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple collected user data and analytics across Apple-owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they claim it's not tracking. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not? 

    Let me correct that so that you're not purposely putting a negative Apple spin on it.

    FWIW Apple's definition of "tracking" differs from what most folks view it being. As long as Apple any app developer collected user data and analytics across Apple their -owned services is not combined with data from outside 3rd party sources they Apple claim it's not tracking that is covered under their ATT. When Meta monetizes the data collected and combined from their users interactions with 1st party Facebook and Instagram I call it tracking, and you probably do too.  But according to Apple it's not covered under their ATT?

    What makes you think Apple don't call that "tracking"?  




    So you believe Apple is tracking their users across Apple apps and services for ad monetization among other uses, but avoiding data collection or purchase via 3rd party apps to better do so like most other ad providers. I believe you are saying I've misread Apple (and other Forum members) claiming they don't track Apple users, and the takeaway should be that the ATT rules don't apply to the type of tracking Apple does?

    If that's what you are saying we are in total agreement. 
    edited July 2023
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