Stage Manager updates in iPadOS 17 don't go far enough quite yet

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Apple has been putting in the work in its attempt to make the iPad more powerful, and the new changes with iPadOS 17 and Stage Manager make it closer than ever to a Mac replacement.

Stage Manager on iPadOS 17
Stage Manager on iPadOS 17



After largely ignoring Stage Manager on iPadOS 16, we've decided to give the feature a second chance. We've been using it regularly since the first iPadOS 17 beta with promising results.

Apple has breathed fresh life into the feature. Not with any radical overhaul, but by delivering long-overdue features that make it less constricting and more user-friendly.

The Stage Manager improvements, combined with other major iPadOS upgrades have made the iPad feel more powerful than it has in the past.

What's new with Stage Manager on iPadOS 17



When Stage Manager launched with iPadOS 16, it was a bit of a mess. Online pundits quickly pointed out the terrible performance, lack of supported devices, and other glaring issues the feature faced prior to release.

It was no surprise when Apple delayed the feature as it committed to improving it and expanding device support. The changes found in iPadOS 17 are more substantial yet, and are enough to make the feature truly useful.

Using Stage Manager on iPadOS 17
Using Stage Manager on iPadOS 17



Windows inside Stage Manager move more fluidly than before, making it feel more natural. Almost all windows can be resized more freely, too.

Quite often before apps would be stuck in an iPhone-sized shape, but now they can take on almost any size. That's true, even if they look bad.

We encourage giving the user a choice, and if a window looks like garbage, they change it to another size. It's still not perfect -- more on that in a moment -- but a big improvement overall.

Finally, Apple added the ability to shift-click an app icon to open another window in the existing stage. This has been a feature on macOS for a while and helps bring them closer to feature parity.

Stage Manager in iPadOS 17 is still held back by nagging issues



While Stage Manager has gotten better enough to warrant using it more regularly, it also has helped highlight some of the remaining issues. With daily use, a few nagging annoyances stick out to us that we'd love to see Apple address.

We've primarily been using Stage Manager on our iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard attached, but occasionally we've connected it to our external monitor. In these situations, the five app-limit Apple has imposed feels too small.

On a large 32-inch display, there is room for more apps to be running, especially things like lists of notes or a running Twitter feed. On the new iPad Pro, we know it's capable since it's running the same M2 processor found in the MacBook Air.

Empty space around Stage Manager on iPadOS 17
Empty space around Stage Manager on iPadOS 17



Apple also puts this buffer around the display's edge, making the usable space smaller and feels closed in. It's a solid 20 pixels on all sides, and on a smaller display, that is valuable space.

Even on the 12.9-inch iPad, we'd love to see the apps go not only to the edges, but expand past them. Think about on the Mac how you can drag a window past the edge of the display, leaving only a small portion remaining.

We do this to get more space or to look at other apps. If you drag an app past the iPad's borders, it just slides back into the frame as soon as you let go.

Then there are the times when modals take over the display. If you open the AirPlay menu, you can't do anything else until you choose your AirPlay output or the modal will automatically be dismissed.

Sometimes this menu takes a second to populate, so it would be preferable to open the modal, scroll on another app or interact with another app, then return to the AirPlay menu.

It's not dissimilar from how iOS used to have a volume indicator that took over the entire display. Odd vestiges of a mobile, small-screen OS.

The biggest takeaway is that Stage Manager isn't well connected to the rest of the operating system. It's still opened manually from Control Center and invokes a disjointed user experience.

Plenty more good features in iPadOS 17 for productivity power users



As we've been testing Stage Manager, there've been several other quality-of-life improvements Apple has delivered that we already feel like we can't live without.

When we go back to the Home Screen, there are now interactive widgets. We're waiting for developers to update their apps post-release, but so far we've just become accustomed to controlling our HomeKit accessories this way without ever opening an app.

Widgets are now interactive
Widgets are now interactive



Apple has added widgets to the Lock Screen, just as with iOS. Our workflow usually entails working inside of Stage Manager, pushing to the top to open up Notifications which now shows all our Lock Screen widgets.

We can check in on the weather, see Health updates, and see News headlines. Just as with the widgets, this will only get better as devs get to push out app updates.

Clarity Pro's built-in camera
Clarity Pro's built-in camera



As iPadOS opens up, external cameras and microphones are now supported. When we connected our Clarity Pro 27-inch display that's eqipped with a built-in camera, it instantly turned on once we opened FaceTime.

Our iPad sits on our desk but the Clarity Pro's camera is well-positioned at eye level for a more natural on-camera appearance.

Live Activities on iPadOS 17
Live Activities on iPadOS 17



Lastly, the Lock Screen is now home to Live Activities. See an ongoing timer, flight status, or food order, all from your Lock Screen. This feature probably should have cone last year as it did on iOS, but we'll take late over never.

Almost enough



Using iPadOS this year feels very different from years past. We certainly wouldn't call it an overhaul by any means, but it has been enough improvements to make the portable tablet more adept at getting work done.

The iPad's most glaring shortcoming has been multitasking, something we take for granted while using a Mac. Stage Manager in iPadOS 17 has started tearing down some of the barriers that previously boxed us in.

For many, the iPad already could replace a Mac. We don't think this is going to necessarily swing the needle significantly further, but it's certainly a good step in the right direction.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,677member
    Ironically I’ve lately been forcing myself to use Stage Manager on my devices because of all the hoopla surrounding its availability. So far I don’t really see it as an improvement at all, but that’s because of the way I use my devices and computers. 

    I’m not one of those people who leaves everything open and has 67 browser tabs open all of the time. I generally close or minimize everything I don’t need for the tasks I’m doing at any given time. If I need multiple windows open on my dual screen Mac I open them and put them where I need them. My experience so far with Stage Manager doesn’t seem to add any value, especially on multiple monitor setups. Ymmv.

    On the other hand, Universal Control and Sidecar are absolutely amazing. They give me instant mouse and keyboard access or extra screen real estate on the two iPads (pro and mini) that sit under my two VESA mounted Mac monitors. Apple nailed it here. 

    I’ll keep slogging away with Stage Manager until either it finally clicks or I get tired of trying to make it work for me. And I’ll continue to look at those users who have dozens of tabs open in browsers and layers of app windows open with puzzlement.

    What are they doing? Are their offices and desktops that messy too? What’s with all those fingerprints and smears on their screens? Terrible, simply terrible. 
    edited August 2023 williamlondonbala1234
  • Reply 2 of 12
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 221member
    The ideal would be for Apple to allow the option of running Mac OSX on the iPad.   An M1 or M2 based iPad has the same processor, RAM and storage as the MacBook Air.   The iPad supports mice, trackpads and keyboards via BlueTooth.  Dock your iPad to an Magic Keyboard, and you get a wired keyboard and trackpad.   These iPads even have USB-C for connecting all sorts of peripherals (including traditional USB wired mice and keyboards).

    The reason you can't run Mac OSX on an iPad is an Apple policy issue, not a technical one.

    Allowing users the option to run Mac OSX would give users access to the full Mac window system and Mac-only Apps.  Mac OSX already supports iPad OS apps, so that's not an issue.

    My speculation is that Apple doesn't want to allow Mac OSX as it might allow users to run Apps that were not from Apple's App store.  Thus people could buy Apps without Apple receiving a cut of the revenue.  Furthermore, by opening up to third party Apps, iPad security is reduced.  Safety and security are some of Apple's selling points.

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  • Reply 3 of 12
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,284member
    mfryd said:
    The ideal would be for Apple to allow the option of running Mac OSX on the iPad.   An M1 or M2 based iPad has the same processor, RAM and storage as the MacBook Air.   The iPad supports mice, trackpads and keyboards via BlueTooth.  Dock your iPad to an Magic Keyboard, and you get a wired keyboard and trackpad.   These iPads even have USB-C for connecting all sorts of peripherals (including traditional USB wired mice and keyboards).

    The reason you can't run Mac OSX on an iPad is an Apple policy issue, not a technical one.

    Allowing users the option to run Mac OSX would give users access to the full Mac window system and Mac-only Apps.  Mac OSX already supports iPad OS apps, so that's not an issue.

    My speculation is that Apple doesn't want to allow Mac OSX as it might allow users to run Apps that were not from Apple's App store.  Thus people could buy Apps without Apple receiving a cut of the revenue.  Furthermore, by opening up to third party Apps, iPad security is reduced.  Safety and security are some of Apple's selling points.


    The solution is simple. Don’t buy an iPad.
    dewme
  • Reply 4 of 12
    CheeseFreezeCheeseFreeze Posts: 1,331member
    At least when Apple didn’t have the iPad Pro and iPadOS was just about single tasking, it positioned itself clearly, differentiating from a laptop. In price too.
  • Reply 5 of 12
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 221member
    danox said:
    mfryd said:
    The ideal would be for Apple to allow the option of running Mac OSX on the iPad.   An M1 or M2 based iPad has the same processor, RAM and storage as the MacBook Air.   The iPad supports mice, trackpads and keyboards via BlueTooth.  Dock your iPad to an Magic Keyboard, and you get a wired keyboard and trackpad.   These iPads even have USB-C for connecting all sorts of peripherals (including traditional USB wired mice and keyboards).

    The reason you can't run Mac OSX on an iPad is an Apple policy issue, not a technical one.

    Allowing users the option to run Mac OSX would give users access to the full Mac window system and Mac-only Apps.  Mac OSX already supports iPad OS apps, so that's not an issue.

    My speculation is that Apple doesn't want to allow Mac OSX as it might allow users to run Apps that were not from Apple's App store.  Thus people could buy Apps without Apple receiving a cut of the revenue.  Furthermore, by opening up to third party Apps, iPad security is reduced.  Safety and security are some of Apple's selling points.


    The solution is simple. Don’t buy an iPad.
    It would be nice to have a portable Mac with touchscreen capabilities.  

    When you want to minimize weight, current model Macs don't let you ditch the keyboard and trackpad.

    But you are correct, in that given Apple's current policies, you need to buy a Mac if you want to run Mac OSX.   It's that some people would like for Apple to offer the option of running full Mac OSX on the iPad. 
    muthuk_vanalingammac daddy zee
  • Reply 6 of 12
    dutchlorddutchlord Posts: 263member
    I tried Stage Manager in the iPadOs 17 beta 2 but don’t see any reason why to use this. Why not having floating windows just like in MacOS? Everybody knows how to use this. Stage Manager looks too complicated and artificial.
    edited August 2023
  • Reply 7 of 12
    xyzzy-xxxxyzzy-xxx Posts: 193member
    As long iPadOS is a closed platform, it will never be a Mac replacement (and even then, many things would be missing).
  • Reply 8 of 12
    thttht Posts: 5,616member
    I have a bit of FOMO with iPadOS Stage Manager. Still using my iPP10.5 and haven't even had a chance to use Stage Manager. Might get the OLED iPP12.9 next year, so perhaps iPadOS 18 will have more limits removed, like 8 windows per Stage and unlimited multi-stream background audio.
  • Reply 9 of 12
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 221member
    xyzzy-xxx said:
    As long iPadOS is a closed platform, it will never be a Mac replacement (and even then, many things would be missing).
    My iPad Pro with Apple's Magic Keyboard has basically the same configuration as a MacBook Air.  It has 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, an M1 processor, Thunderbolt, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,  LED screen, keyboard and mouse.

    The MacBook has has a slightly larger screen (13" vs. 12.8"). The iPad has only one USB-C port, but that supports hubs, docks, dongles, Gig Ethernet, etc, so you can easily add peripherals and/or external monitors.  My iPad also has a built-in cellular data connection, and a touch screen.

    What are the things that you think would be missing if you booted up Mac OSX on an iPad Pro?
  • Reply 10 of 12
    xyzzy-xxxxyzzy-xxx Posts: 193member
    mfryd said:
    xyzzy-xxx said:
    As long iPadOS is a closed platform, it will never be a Mac replacement (and even then, many things would be missing).
    My iPad Pro with Apple's Magic Keyboard has basically the same configuration as a MacBook Air.  It has 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, an M1 processor, Thunderbolt, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,  LED screen, keyboard and mouse.

    The MacBook has has a slightly larger screen (13" vs. 12.8"). The iPad has only one USB-C port, but that supports hubs, docks, dongles, Gig Ethernet, etc, so you can easily add peripherals and/or external monitors.  My iPad also has a built-in cellular data connection, and a touch screen.

    What are the things that you think would be missing if you booted up Mac OSX on an iPad Pro?
    My point was that iPadOS is to restricted to make the iPad a Mac replacement. If an iPad could run macOS I still would prefer using a MacBook because I prefer having the keyboard attached to the device (and I don't like typing on a touch screen).
  • Reply 11 of 12
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 221member
    xyzzy-xxx said:
    mfryd said:
    xyzzy-xxx said:
    As long iPadOS is a closed platform, it will never be a Mac replacement (and even then, many things would be missing).
    My iPad Pro with Apple's Magic Keyboard has basically the same configuration as a MacBook Air.  It has 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD, an M1 processor, Thunderbolt, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,  LED screen, keyboard and mouse.

    The MacBook has has a slightly larger screen (13" vs. 12.8"). The iPad has only one USB-C port, but that supports hubs, docks, dongles, Gig Ethernet, etc, so you can easily add peripherals and/or external monitors.  My iPad also has a built-in cellular data connection, and a touch screen.

    What are the things that you think would be missing if you booted up Mac OSX on an iPad Pro?
    My point was that iPadOS is to restricted to make the iPad a Mac replacement. If an iPad could run macOS I still would prefer using a MacBook because I prefer having the keyboard attached to the device (and I don't like typing on a touch screen).
    I also prefer typing on an attached keyboard rather than a touch screen.  That's why I have Apple's Magic Keyboard, which provides an attached keyboard and mouse.

    Is there anything else that would be missing if Mac OSX was running on an iPad Pro?
  • Reply 12 of 12
    It is NOT almost enough - this quote from the article says it all:

    "On a large 32-inch display, there is room for more apps to be running, especially things like lists of notes or a running Twitter feed. On the new iPad Pro, we know it's capable since it's running the same M2 processor found in the MacBook Air."

    Apple, quit screwing around and just enable MacOS when connected to an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Your crapped and gimped up iPadOS is almost acceptable on the small screen, but when it comes to using the iPad Pro as a real laptop, it sucks wind.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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