Microsoft dumps Cortana leaving Siri as one of the last smart assistants

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  • Reply 21 of 28
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,699member
    Siri was always incredibly bad but suddenly feels infantile, now that I’m working witch ChatGPT a lot.

    Apple has a problem. They say they’ve been investing a lot in AI, but I don’t believe for a word they’ve worked on the tech like OpenAI is delivering today; that’s just damage control by Tim Cook to keep shareholders at ease.

    Chat-GPT3 is based on the transformer machine learning model.

    Apple's new predictive text engine is based on the same model. This is Apple not showing their entire hand, but showing just a single card.

    So yeah, I'd say Apple has been working on these types of models for a while now. What may keep them "behind" is not wanting to scrape the entirety of the Internet for text and instead feed it curated data, to help filter out misinformation and bias, which is the problem with these current models; force fed everything, regardless of how crappy it tastes.
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  • Reply 22 of 28
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,506member
    danox said:
    danvm said:
    lorca2770 said:
    Siri was always incredibly bad but suddenly feels infantile, now that I’m working witch ChatGPT a lot.

    Apple has a problem. They say they’ve been investing a lot in AI, but I don’t believe for a word they’ve worked on the tech like OpenAI is delivering today; that’s just damage control by Tim Cook to keep shareholders at ease.

    What people do not realize is that Siri is already part of a node connecting many other functions. The function of Siri is almost irrelevant as a stand-alone feature. HOWEVER, when applied to Apple “Notes” and its integration with others OS function the whole process is brilliant. Siri is the periscope of a submarine that not many people see. And as tradition shows for the last 25 years, Apple does not flash any product until is fully ready, while testing it unnoticed by all the users.
    Siri is not and is not intended to be an: Alexa switch the lights, Alexa turn off the lights”, it goes beyond the marketing for idiots. And the AI of Apple es further ahead of those “we have millions and millions of phones with windows”.
    As someone said Apple skates not to where the puck is, but to where it is going to be. If we already did not know that predicament.

    If you ask me, companies like MS and Google are skating where the puck is going to be.  MS has CoPilot integrated into their ecosystem (Windows, Office, Dynamics, Github).  Google is doing the same with Bard and Workspace.  Both MS and Google have some advantages in their ecosystem over Apple, and they are taking advantage of it to advance AI.  At the moment, I haven't seen anything similar from Apple.  We'll have to wait and see what happens in the future.
    The R1 co-processor designed by Apple is a much better puck….. hardware and software combined/designed in house as one will be a stronger, product for Apple and at the same time it will be more usable to the public.
    We don’t know which will be a better puck. Apple may have a better AR device, but MS is miles ahead of Apple in AI and the integration into their ecosystems. 

    At the end, maybe both will succeed with their products. 
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  • Reply 23 of 28
    I use Siri throughout the day and find it indispensable. My home is linked with Siri enabled smart devices. There is no way Apple would abandon it. I can see them augmenting it with generative AI features, which would likely dovetail with the launch of Vision Pro.
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  • Reply 24 of 28
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,674member
    Leave it to Microsoft to lol off something rather than develop it. Literally all they had to do was add the bing ai to Cortana and boom, everyone would think Cortana was amazing. Want to create a creepy ai graphic, just ask Cortana. Want a skewed take on the news? Ask Cortana. Etc. 

    im sure Apple is baking their ai efforts into Siri. Instead of segmenting efforts, they should be combined and refined. Microsoft… once the tech monster, now hiding under the bed from its former victims. 
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  • Reply 25 of 28
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    Siri was always incredibly bad but suddenly feels infantile, now that I’m working witch ChatGPT a lot.

    Apple has a problem. They say they’ve been investing a lot in AI, but I don’t believe for a word they’ve worked on the tech like OpenAI is delivering today; that’s just damage control by Tim Cook to keep shareholders at ease.
    If you are impressed with Chat GPT, I worry about you! The damn thing gets everything wrong, even the most straightforward math. I'd rather an honest; 'Sorry, I can't do that.' from Siri,' to a pile of steaming crap from Chat GPT and the usual counter-response of, 'Oh, yes, sorry, you are right, thank you for pointing that out, I got that wrong, but I am learning."
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  • Reply 26 of 28
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,220member
    Siri was always incredibly bad but suddenly feels infantile, now that I’m working witch ChatGPT a lot.

    Apple has a problem. They say they’ve been investing a lot in AI, but I don’t believe for a word they’ve worked on the tech like OpenAI is delivering today; that’s just damage control by Tim Cook to keep shareholders at ease.
    Only problem with your conspiracy theory is, as a c-level officer of a public company Cook can’t make shit up and lie to investors. Oops. 

    Got another?
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  • Reply 27 of 28
    Although I prefer Siri for the Apple ecosystem integration, Google assistant and Alexa's death might be overstated here. I think Apple is the least likely to drop services compared to these other players. Apple tends to stick with what they start. Google assistant and Alexa are entrenched enough they will certainly continue on with Google continuing to be the most capable assistant in everything except privacy. Siri used to have the advantage of on-device processing, but Google and Amazon have since caught up in that. Alexa's team was significantly reduced but I don't think Google is stealing their voice assistant people to work on language models.
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  • Reply 28 of 28
    danvm said:
    danox said:
    danvm said:
    lorca2770 said:
    Siri was always incredibly bad but suddenly feels infantile, now that I’m working witch ChatGPT a lot.

    Apple has a problem. They say they’ve been investing a lot in AI, but I don’t believe for a word they’ve worked on the tech like OpenAI is delivering today; that’s just damage control by Tim Cook to keep shareholders at ease.

    What people do not realize is that Siri is already part of a node connecting many other functions. The function of Siri is almost irrelevant as a stand-alone feature. HOWEVER, when applied to Apple “Notes” and its integration with others OS function the whole process is brilliant. Siri is the periscope of a submarine that not many people see. And as tradition shows for the last 25 years, Apple does not flash any product until is fully ready, while testing it unnoticed by all the users.
    Siri is not and is not intended to be an: Alexa switch the lights, Alexa turn off the lights”, it goes beyond the marketing for idiots. And the AI of Apple es further ahead of those “we have millions and millions of phones with windows”.
    As someone said Apple skates not to where the puck is, but to where it is going to be. If we already did not know that predicament.

    If you ask me, companies like MS and Google are skating where the puck is going to be.  MS has CoPilot integrated into their ecosystem (Windows, Office, Dynamics, Github).  Google is doing the same with Bard and Workspace.  Both MS and Google have some advantages in their ecosystem over Apple, and they are taking advantage of it to advance AI.  At the moment, I haven't seen anything similar from Apple.  We'll have to wait and see what happens in the future.
    The R1 co-processor designed by Apple is a much better puck….. hardware and software combined/designed in house as one will be a stronger, product for Apple and at the same time it will be more usable to the public.
    We don’t know which will be a better puck. Apple may have a better AR device, but MS is miles ahead of Apple in AI and the integration into their ecosystems. 

    At the end, maybe both will succeed with their products. 
    Apple probably will never do language models unless they can do it on device. Which of course you can do, but is it useful and do they have a way to get the memory footprint smaller. You never know where Apple's services business might go next, but I don't really see them being an Azure competitor. If Apple needs those services, they will just contract with Microsoft.
    edited August 2023
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