Lawmakers urged to block TSMC worker visas over Arizona plant construction

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  • Reply 21 of 25
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 138member
    loopless said:
    Most people have no idea what a severe shortage of skilled AND unskilled workers exists  in the USA and why immigration benefits everyone. The racist, anti-immigration sentiment that extends even to PhD level H1-B workers is frankly idiotic , and not born out by the facts, which  show bringing in  highly educated and motivated people to work here benefits everyone.  The higher education system here does not produce enough STEM graduates for industry, so "taking jobs from Americans" is a lie.
    Liked it….America is born out of legal immigrants who brings in talents and prosperity. Just take a look at our high tech/pharma Industries, just observe who are their workers or leaders? Come on this is for everybody. This plant had been delayed already.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 22 of 25
    I am amused by the intensity of the rhetoric on this forum. People are taking things at face value and denouncing the other side. You have no idea how much truth there is in the statements of TSMC or the Unions. Learn to be moderate in your online speech until you have some real world experience.

    Anyone who thinks Americans are racist has never worked anywhere else in the world. Just try working in Switzerland for a year - most localities won't even rent an apartment to a non-EU citizen. Or, try being a non-native in any Asian country, and you will learn the true meaning of racism. Hell, the Chinese are not just racist against non-Chinese, they even treat non-Han-Chinese like dirt. 

    Before criticizing America, understand that no other country in the world has experienced this level of job loss due to off-shoring of manufacturing and importation of illegal low-skill laborers. America has seen the greatest decline in living standards and population of the middle class of any western nation over the last 30 years. Western European countries have very strict labor laws that prevent offshoring of manufacturing jobs and mass hiring of non-citizens. Even so, those countries are hostile to foreign workers, even highly skilled ones. If anything, most Americans are not upset enough about these trends that have cost them them their economic security and quality of life.

    Just FYI, I work in a highly regulated, technically complex industry, with direct experience in research, outsourcing/off-shoring, and manufacturing network 'optimization' (aka plant closures). 
    williamlondonFileMakerFellerAZDawn
  • Reply 23 of 25
    I'm not sure what was expected. It's pretty obvious when building a modern manufacturing facility in a state who's education system is 49th in the nation finding skilled properly educated workers is going to be problem. As time goes on more will realize that our nation sucks at competing in many areas. 
    edited August 2023 williamlondon
  • Reply 24 of 25
    spock1234 said:
    I am amused by the intensity of the rhetoric on this forum. People are taking things at face value and denouncing the other side. You have no idea how much truth there is in the statements of TSMC or the Unions. Learn to be moderate in your online speech until you have some real world experience.

    Anyone who thinks Americans are racist has never worked anywhere else in the world. Just try working in Switzerland for a year - most localities won't even rent an apartment to a non-EU citizen. Or, try being a non-native in any Asian country, and you will learn the true meaning of racism. Hell, the Chinese are not just racist against non-Chinese, they even treat non-Han-Chinese like dirt. 

    Before criticizing America, understand that no other country in the world has experienced this level of job loss due to off-shoring of manufacturing and importation of illegal low-skill laborers. America has seen the greatest decline in living standards and population of the middle class of any western nation over the last 30 years. Western European countries have very strict labor laws that prevent offshoring of manufacturing jobs and mass hiring of non-citizens. Even so, those countries are hostile to foreign workers, even highly skilled ones. If anything, most Americans are not upset enough about these trends that have cost them them their economic security and quality of life.

    Just FYI, I work in a highly regulated, technically complex industry, with direct experience in research, outsourcing/off-shoring, and manufacturing network 'optimization' (aka plant closures). 
    Automation has replaced 10 times more jobs than offshoring ever dreamed of replacing. And those offshored jobs? Yeah those were American capitalist's that stripped those factories and rebuilt modern ones overseas. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondonFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 25 of 25
    gatorguy said:
    goofy1958 said:
    Hiring Americans is part of the deal otherwise ...we don't need you here. 
    How short-sighted of you. They are only bringing help from Taiwan on a temporary basis until they can get all of the positions filled by Americans.
    I agree on the union being short-sighted.   
    In other articles, it says Union labor is only 30% of the work force at the site.  Clearly, they are not utilizing Unions enough to justify bringing in Taiwanese workers to "train" American workers on how to do work in America.  This isn't the first microchip plant in the Phoenix Metro area.  Taiwanese companies are known to overwork their employees which is not allowed by USA labor laws.  TSMC will hold their "student" work Visas which will make the foreign workers not able to report unsafe or hostile work conditions!
    CHIPS Act requires American workers to benefit from these American dollars.
    edited August 2023
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