Apple has 'sweetheart deal' with TSMC that saves it billions of dollars

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TSMC's new 3nm manufacturing process has around a 30% failure rate but under exclusive terms, the company only charges Apple for working processors.

Processors are made in wafers. (Source: TSMC)
Processors are made in wafers. (Source: TSMC)



Apple has long had what its COO Jeff Williams has described as an "intense" relationship with TSMC. Now a new report from The Information claims that this relationship is unique out of all of TMSC's other clients, and all other processor manufacturers too.

Specifically, TSMC does not charge Apple the complete cost when it produces a wafer containing hundreds of processors. Instead, it only charges the company for what The Information says are referred to as "known good dies."

Ordinarily, the price difference is not statistically significant because typically some 99% of processors on a TSMC wafer are good. But at present, TSMC is only seeing between 70% and 80% success rate with its new 3nm processor, which it began mass production of in December 2022.

That will improve, but as well as Apple profiting by not paying for failed processors, so TSMC profits, too.
It's previously been reported that Apple has bought out TSMC's 3nm production capacity. production capacity. But The Information reports that TSMC is able to develop newer technologies specifically because Apple is willing to order new processors early, and in volume.

So Apple is helping fund the development of 3nm processors. Once the failure rate improves, and TSMC's capacity increases, the company will be able to sell 3nm processors to other companies who do not have such a sweetheart deal.

It's been estimated that moving to a 3nm manufacturing process means that the forthcoming iPhone 15 could be 35% more power efficient because of the new technology.

Neither Apple nor TSMC have commented publicly.

Read on AppleInsider

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 8
    Both parties are making money of that you can be sure!

    williamlondonFileMakerFellerwatto_cobrabyronl
  • Reply 2 of 8
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,299member
    If you are a chipmaker, such as TSMC, you factor in the duds, into your overall price for making the chips, like any other manufacturer of any product in the last 200 years…..? Also note the first time any human had to make such a business decision probably goes back 10,000 years.
    edited August 2023 linkmanwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 8
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,950member
    Seems kind of crazy that anyone has to pay for bad chips, who knew this was the industry norm.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 8
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,299member
    Seems kind of crazy that anyone has to pay for bad chips, who knew this was the industry norm.

    The likely suspect, for enforcing such terms, probably was Intel, when they had monopoly power over the PC industry.
    baconstanganonymouselollivercharlesatlaswatto_cobrabyronl
  • Reply 5 of 8
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    Apple saved TSMC with the iPhone orders. In 2009 after the great financial collapse of 2008, TSMC was considering great layoffs. Its retired founder Morris Chang heard the news rushed back to reassume CEO position and stopped the layoff. Then iPhone sales increased a lot after the Google Android introduction in 2009. So before 2009 TSMC is really a small semiconductor fab workshop compared to the behemoth Intel. 
    byronl
  • Reply 6 of 8
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,446moderator
    Seems kind of crazy that anyone has to pay for bad chips, who knew this was the industry norm.
    Every business factors losses into their prices. When someone buys insurance, the price they pay isn't solely based on their expected claim but the cumulative claims of every customer and then profit added onto that.

    It's not that TSMC would directly charge a customer for a defective chip, if each chip was $100 based on a 100% yield and they had an 80% yield, they'd just charge 25% more ($125) per chip:

    1000 chips x $100 = $100k
    800 chips x $125 = $100k

    Apple's premium devices can easily absorb that price increase.

    Apple charges (minus RAM upgrades) M2 -> M2 Pro $300 -> M2 Max $500 -> M2 Ultra $1400

    They are doubling the chips at each stage, which multiplies the risk of failure. 90% on M2 -> 81% M2 Pro -> 65% M2 Max -> 42% M2 Ultra. It probably doesn't drop that low but somewhere around 60% for the most dense chips is reasonable and some of those costs have to get passed on in the price or they wouldn't be profitable to make. Apple's prices are still a far cry from Intel's $7k+ per CPU and clearly they have an advantage here helping TSMC advance their nodes faster to give them a competitive advantage in the industry.
    linkmanCurtisHightFileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 8
    Seems kind of crazy that anyone has to pay for bad chips, who knew this was the industry norm.
    Certainly less crazy than paying Microsoft for every PC you ship whether or not Windows was installed on it! Illegal monopolies suck.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 8
    Standard Apple tactics for year (invented by Tim Cook), take the free cash flow to finance risky new technologies and secure a technical advantage from competitors by buying the whole production output for several years as a way to recover the money spent. Since you don't need to loan money for that it also makes financial sense. Happened several times before and makes perfect sense for a company that outsources many areas of innovation (as Apple does).
    That way they stay up to date not like e.g. German car manufacturers (or as I call them tin folders as they essentially manufacture the hull around 3rd party products ), that outsourced all the areas of innovation to their suppliers and are now wondering how they fell behind.
    edited August 2023 watto_cobrabyronl
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