Apple is pouring money into Siri improvements with generative AI

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Apple has boosted its budget for developing artificial intelligence, emphasizing creating conversational chatbot features for Siri -- allegedly spending millions of dollars daily on research and development.

Generative AI could be used to bolster Siri's abilities
Generative AI could be used to bolster Siri's abilities



In May, it was learned that Apple had been recruiting more engineers to work on generative AI projects. While the company didn't make an official forward-looking statement, CEO Tim Cook said that generative AI is "very interesting."

But, the story of Apple's foray into generative AI starts much earlier than May. Four years ago, Apple's head of AI, John Giannandrea, formed a team to work on large-language models (LLMs), the basis of generative AI chatbots like ChatGPT.

Apple's conversational AI team, the Foundational Models team, is led by Ruoming Pang, who previously worked at Google for 15 years. The team has a significant budget, and trains advanced LLMs using millions of dollars daily. Despite having only 16 members, their advancements rival those of OpenAI, which spent over $100 million to train a similar LLM.

According to The Information, at least two other teams at Apple are working on language and image models. One group focuses on Visual Intelligence, generating images, videos, and 3D scenes, while another works on multimodal AI, which can handle text, images, and videos.

Currently, Apple is planning to integrate LLMs into Siri, its voice assistant. This would allow users to automate complex tasks using natural language, similar to Google's efforts to improve their voice assistant. Apple believes its advanced language model, Ajax GPT, is better than OpenAI's GPT 3.5.

Ultimately, incorporating LLMs into Apple products has its challenges. Unlike some competitors who use a cloud-based approach, Apple prefers running software on-device for better privacy and performance. However, Apple's LLMs, including Ajax GPT, are quite large, which makes it difficult to fit them onto the iPhone due to their size and complexity.

There are precedents for shrinking large models, such as Google's PaLM2, which comes in different sizes, including one suitable for devices and offline use. While it's unclear what Apple's plans are, the company could opt for smaller LLMs for privacy reasons.

In May, Internal documents and anonymous sources leaked details of Apple's internal ban on ChatGPT-like technology and the plans for its own LLM.

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  • Reply 1 of 13
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,259member
    I read a couple of articles about AJAX. The first one said it is run on Google cloud and built with Google’s JAX frame work. 
    The other said that AJAX is Apple proprietary. Which is correct? Or can they both be correct at the same time? 
    Also, does this mean if this is ever implemented into Siri or other Apple software, iPhone users will have their data routed through Google whether we like it or not? 
    And why would Google let Apple develop a competing technology on their own servers? Unless that’s where the millions of dollars are going. 
    edited September 2023 williamlondonwatto_cobraAlex1N
  • Reply 2 of 13
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,040member
    hexclock said:
    I read a couple of articles about AJAX. The first one said it is run on Google cloud and built with Google’s JAX frame work. 
    The other said that AJAX is Apple proprietary. Which is correct? Or can they both be correct at the same time? 
    Also, does this mean if this is ever implemented into Siri or other Apple software, iPhone users will have their data routed through Google whether we like it or not? 
    And why would Google let Apple develop a competing technology on their own servers? Unless that’s where the millions of dollars are going. 
    Apple's generative AI activities have not been disclosed by them (unsurprisingly). So anything you read about Apple's efforts are entirely speculative.

    At this point, it's pointless to guess how data will be routed. That said, Apple's commitment to user privacy is very, Very, VERY strong. iCloud, iMessage, etc. My best guess is that Apple's production service will run on their own servers in their own datacenters. Remember that datacenters aren't free. You need to put hardware in them, get people to run them, etc.

    Over time, Apple has made a concerted effort to wean themselves from Google's grasp. It didn't happen overnight either.

    In any case Apple will never disclose the development process to the public.
    hexclockOferwatto_cobrajony0Alex1Nbyronl
  • Reply 3 of 13
    I want to see Apple develop an AI powered music generator. It would be great to see it write better songs than 99% of the crap being performed by Disney "Pop Tarts" and Boy Bands using auto-tune. And who or what couldn't write better tune than a revenge song about ex-boyfriends like Taylor Swift? (Who are these tools willing to hook up with her, anyway?)
    hexclock
  • Reply 4 of 13
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,259member
    mayfly said:
    I want to see Apple develop an AI powered music generator. It would be great to see it write better songs than 99% of the crap being performed by Disney "Pop Tarts" and Boy Bands using auto-tune. And who or what couldn't write better tune than a revenge song about ex-boyfriends like Taylor Swift? (Who are these tools willing to hook up with her, anyway?)
    Remember Microsoft Songsmith? That was good for laugh. 
    Unfortunately, the vast majority of music listeners are perfectly fine with simplistic melodies,  repetitive  hooks, and third grade lyrics in 4/4 time signature. Still, there’s plenty of well thought out music out there to find. 
    williamlondonmayflywatto_cobraAlex1N
  • Reply 5 of 13
    hexclock said:
    I read a couple of articles about AJAX. The first one said it is run on Google cloud and built with Google’s JAX frame work. 
    The other said that AJAX is Apple proprietary. Which is correct? Or can they both be correct at the same time? 
    Also, does this mean if this is ever implemented into Siri or other Apple software, iPhone users will have their data routed through Google whether we like it or not? 
    And why would Google let Apple develop a competing technology on their own servers? Unless that’s where the millions of dollars are going. 
    Apple rents compute and storage capacity from multiple cloud vendors including Google, Amazon (AWS) and Microsoft (Azure). That's where the overwhelming majority of the project's money is being spent - building a large language model based on data from a billion+ devices does not come cheap.

    But that doesn't mean the data is being "routed through Google" - it's a private cloud with built-in encryption; the cloud vendor does not have access to the encryption keys and cannot access the plaintext version of the data.

    JAX is an open source framework, I would guess that "Apple JAX" involves some extension code that is customised based on observations and analysis of the existing data set and perhaps knowledge of the devices on which (portions of) the code will be run in the future.
    chasmmuthuk_vanalingamblastdoorwilliamlondonwatto_cobrajony0Alex1Nbyronl
  • Reply 6 of 13
    Given Apple’s repeatedly stated desire to own key technologies, I wonder if they will eventually have apple servers running on apple silicon for AI training. Sending all that money to google/ms/AWS and, indirectly, nvidia/amd/intel seems very un-dude.
    williamlondonwatto_cobraAlex1Nbyronl
  • Reply 7 of 13
    blastdoor said:
    Given Apple’s repeatedly stated desire to own key technologies, I wonder if they will eventually have apple servers running on apple silicon for AI training. Sending all that money to google/ms/AWS and, indirectly, nvidia/amd/intel seems very un-dude.
    Agreed….what’s up Apple? Why can’t you own your icloud data centers??? 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 13
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    PARWIZ said:
    blastdoor said:
    Given Apple’s repeatedly stated desire to own key technologies, I wonder if they will eventually have apple servers running on apple silicon for AI training. Sending all that money to google/ms/AWS and, indirectly, nvidia/amd/intel seems very un-dude.

    Apple does have their own server farm in Ireland. Why would Apple pay any company to have servers. The line goes from Canada to Ireland underneath the Atlantic - search the map - all fiber lines.
    Having 'servers' isn't enough. You need a full stack solution and Apple simply doesn't have the hardware/software solutions available to support everything in this field. 

    That's where the companies who specialise in these things come in, but it comes at a price. 

    Alex1Nbyronl
  • Reply 9 of 13
    mayfly said:
    I want to see Apple develop an AI powered music generator. It would be great to see it write better songs than 99% of the crap being performed by Disney "Pop Tarts" and Boy Bands using auto-tune. And who or what couldn't write better tune than a revenge song about ex-boyfriends like Taylor Swift? (Who are these tools willing to hook up with her, anyway?)
    This is, by far, the dumbest thing I've read this week. 
    williamlondonihatescreennameswatto_cobrawaveparticleAlex1Nbyronl
  • Reply 10 of 13
    mayflymayfly Posts: 385member
    hexclock said:
    mayfly said:
    I want to see Apple develop an AI powered music generator. It would be great to see it write better songs than 99% of the crap being performed by Disney "Pop Tarts" and Boy Bands using auto-tune. And who or what couldn't write better tune than a revenge song about ex-boyfriends like Taylor Swift? (Who are these tools willing to hook up with her, anyway?)
    Remember Microsoft Songsmith? That was good for laugh. 
    Unfortunately, the vast majority of music listeners are perfectly fine with simplistic melodies,  repetitive  hooks, and third grade lyrics in 4/4 time signature. Still, there’s plenty of well thought out music out there to find. 
    Yes there is (Chris Stapleton, George Ezra come to mind). But it's being drowned out by the noise of what I call, "music product (like Velveeta is cheese product)." It looks like music, and on the surface, it sounds like music, but compare it to something like the '60's & '70's garage bands full of angry young men and women baring their hearts in unsophisticated harmony, and dubious vocal talent (think the Who, the Clash or the Ramones), and the differences become apparent. And don't even get me started on the current state of country music!
    edited September 2023 watto_cobrabyronl
  • Reply 11 of 13
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    PARWIZ said:
    mpantone said:
    hexclock said:
    I read a couple of articles about AJAX. The first one said it is run on Google cloud and built with Google’s JAX frame work. 
    The other said that AJAX is Apple proprietary. Which is correct? Or can they both be correct at the same time? 
    Also, does this mean if this is ever implemented into Siri or other Apple software, iPhone users will have their data routed through Google whether we like it or not? 
    And why would Google let Apple develop a competing technology on their own servers? Unless that’s where the millions of dollars are going. 
    Apple's generative AI activities have not been disclosed by them (unsurprisingly). So anything you read about Apple's efforts are entirely speculative.

    At this point, it's pointless to guess how data will be routed. That said, Apple's commitment to user privacy is very, Very, VERY strong. iCloud, iMessage, etc. My best guess is that Apple's production service will run on their own servers in their own datacenters. Remember that datacenters aren't free. You need to put hardware in them, get people to run them, etc.

    Over time, Apple has made a concerted effort to wean themselves from Google's grasp. It didn't happen overnight either.

    In any case Apple will never disclose the development process to the public.

    It's not AJAX - The Robot language is unknown this is why you send the application to Apple, and it keeps it from the outside world.  But it's all Unix based.- everything else is either Objective-C or Swift - Which are the same.  If you're good at Robot language you can figure it out - Put the MacOS running Linux...It's a variant of AJAX
    Apple's AI development is highly dependent on Google technology, according to reports. Google's Jax and Google Cloud as has been previously revealed, but not yet mentioned is Apple's model-training software is optimized to work with Google-developed Tensor Processing Units. 

    Apple and Google are not the enemies some forum members would like to believe they are. 
    edited September 2023 muthuk_vanalingambyronl
  • Reply 12 of 13
    Generative AI is very easy. The only requirement is Siri has to remember the conversation. The rest is pretty easy with LLM. 
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