I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Thank you. You are spot on in your assessments. I was roundly criticized for having the gall to suggest that the MacBooks should have at least one USB A port. I also distinctly remember going in to my local Apple Store and having trouble finding any USB C peripherals - all the items on their shelves were USB A. But God forbid I question Apple.
The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Thank you. You are spot on in your assessments. I was roundly criticized for having the gall to suggest that the MacBooks should have at least one USB A port. I also distinctly remember going in to my local Apple Store and having trouble finding any USB C peripherals - all the items on their shelves were USB A. But God forbid I question Apple.
The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.
Ah, so it wasn't that everyone said that USB-A is now dead, it's that someone didn't agree with that Apple not offer USB-A ports on their Mac notebooks. Funny how the story is now changing.
While it would've been nice to have USB-A on the Mac notebooks you should be able to see why Apple didn't include them but did keep them on Mac desktops for many years.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Thank you. You are spot on in your assessments. I was roundly criticized for having the gall to suggest that the MacBooks should have at least one USB A port. I also distinctly remember going in to my local Apple Store and having trouble finding any USB C peripherals - all the items on their shelves were USB A. But God forbid I question Apple.
The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.
Ah, so it wasn't that everyone said that USB-A is now dead, it's that someone didn't agree with that Apple not offer USB-A ports on their Mac notebooks. Funny how the story is now changing.
While it would've been nice to have USB-A on the Mac notebooks you should be able to see why Apple didn't include them but did keep them on Mac desktops for many years.
Since. I'm dealing with a pedant, I'll state the obvious, "everyone" was used metaphorically. I'm guessing that will be lost on you, though.
and no, I can't see why Apple decided not to include the most common connector (not only at the time but for the coming 5-7 years) on a device that was designed to be portable, instead forcing people to tote a long a bunch of adapters.
I also find it amusing how people continue to either double down or to deny the past when confronted with it.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then we're around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Thank you. You are spot on in your assessments. I was roundly criticized for having the gall to suggest that the MacBooks should have at least one USB A port. I also distinctly remember going in to my local Apple Store and having trouble finding any USB C peripherals - all the items on their shelves were USB A. But God forbid I question Apple.
The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.
Ah, so it wasn't that everyone said that USB-A is now dead, it's that someone didn't agree with that Apple not offer USB-A ports on their Mac notebooks. Funny how the story is now changing.
While it would've been nice to have USB-A on the Mac notebooks you should be able to see why Apple didn't include them but did keep them on Mac desktops for many years.
Since. I'm dealing with a pedant, I'll state the obvious, "everyone" was used metaphorically. I'm guessing that will be lost on you, though.
and no, I can't see why Apple decided not to include the most common connector (not only at the time but for the coming 5-7 years) on a device that was designed to be portable, instead forcing people to tote a long a bunch of adapters.
I also find it amusing how people continue to either double down or to deny the past when confronted with it.
Says the making wildly false claims and then getting butthurt over it when asked to verify even a single instance of claimed hyperbole.
It doesn't really matter why or when Apple switched to USB-C just as it didn't matter when they switched to USB-A (whicH I"m sure you also got upset about at the time); what matters is how proceed as a consumer. Does the MacBook Pro with USB-C ports work for you? If it doesn't, then pick something else. Bitching that Apple isn't catering to your specific needs is silly. I'll have a lot of USB-A-... and USB-C-to-Lightning cables come next week and yet this won't see me complaining about the move to USB-C on the iPhone. Maybe you should consider a similar stance when it comes to inevitable, staggered transitions in electronics.
Hopefully, Apple will sell a tiny little USBC to Lightning dongle. In the past, they would have just put it in the box. You can get them for like $2 per dongle now, so probably not. Well, hopefully they will support 3rd party ones and keep them in stock everywhere.
Hopefully a little t-shaped dongle with Lightening and usb-c socket that would allow Headphones to be plugged in at the same time as a charging cable.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
Adopting something new doesn't mean that the old tech is dead. That's your assumption, and you can't blame others for your jumping to a wrong and Franky stupid conclusion. It was clear before Apple added USB-C that USB-C would eventually be the dominate USB port interface type. If you took someone saying "this is the future of USB" and twisting that into some false reality that all USB-A, micro-USB-B, et al. USB ports would instantly drop of the face of the earth then that's all on you and others who choose to not to think rationally.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
Adopting something new doesn't mean that the old tech is dead. That's your assumption, and you can't blame others for your jumping to a wrong and Franky stupid conclusion. It was clear before Apple added USB-C that USB-C would eventually be the dominate USB port interface type. If you took someone saying "this is the future of USB" and twisting that into some false reality that all USB-A, micro-USB-B, et al. USB ports would instantly drop of the face of the earth then that's all on you and others who choose to not to think rationally.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I never said anything was dead. That was the people defending the switch.
I wasn't my assumption. When someone says something is legacy they mean it's history.
I just wished Apple had taken a common sense approach to market realities at the time.
Hopefully, Apple will sell a tiny little USBC to Lightning dongle. In the past, they would have just put it in the box. You can get them for like $2 per dongle now, so probably not. Well, hopefully they will support 3rd party ones and keep them in stock everywhere.
Hopefully a little t-shaped dongle with Lightening and usb-c socket that would allow Headphones to be plugged in at the same time as a charging cable.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
Adopting something new doesn't mean that the old tech is dead. That's your assumption, and you can't blame others for your jumping to a wrong and Franky stupid conclusion. It was clear before Apple added USB-C that USB-C would eventually be the dominate USB port interface type. If you took someone saying "this is the future of USB" and twisting that into some false reality that all USB-A, micro-USB-B, et al. USB ports would instantly drop of the face of the earth then that's all on you and others who choose to not to think rationally.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I never said anything was dead. That was the people defending the switch.
I wasn't my assumption. When someone says something is legacy they mean it's history.
I just wished Apple had taken a common sense approach to market realities at the time.
Your assumption was that everyone else said it was dead and you can’t prove that it was even a general sentiment. I’ve shown in a couple random posts on the subject that it wasn’t the sentiment. You’re weirdly patting yourself on the back for not having have an original thought and thinking what the majority was thinking. Well done, I guess.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
Adopting something new doesn't mean that the old tech is dead. That's your assumption, and you can't blame others for your jumping to a wrong and Franky stupid conclusion. It was clear before Apple added USB-C that USB-C would eventually be the dominate USB port interface type. If you took someone saying "this is the future of USB" and twisting that into some false reality that all USB-A, micro-USB-B, et al. USB ports would instantly drop of the face of the earth then that's all on you and others who choose to not to think rationally.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I never said anything was dead. That was the people defending the switch.
I wasn't my assumption. When someone says something is legacy they mean it's history.
I just wished Apple had taken a common sense approach to market realities at the time.
Your assumption was that everyone else said it was dead and you can’t prove that it was even a general sentiment. I’ve shown in a couple random posts on the subject that it wasn’t the sentiment. You’re weirdly patting yourself on the back for not having have an original thought and thinking what the majority was thinking. Well done, I guess.
I'm not patting myself on the back for anything and I was active in many threads on this subject because I was fully geared up and waiting for the announcement.
I'm not saying 'everyone' either, I said this:
"USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about."
Now, although the 'everyone' comment wasn't mine, it is perfectly fine when taken in context. In fact, you'd have to be very pedantic to even think it was meant to be literal.
Ironically you are now implying that a couple of random posts somehow does represent that it wasn't general sentiment.
It was a generalization and was very representative of what was being said on the forums back then.
I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a. Has anybody seen cars with usb-c? If so, what brand?
My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well.
My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C every single airplane I've been on has USB A
8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.
You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.
2016. I remember the posts.
USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.
No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me.
It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't.
Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there!
Seven years on they are still around on many devices.
Well, then you can also prove it.
I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
Adopting something new doesn't mean that the old tech is dead. That's your assumption, and you can't blame others for your jumping to a wrong and Franky stupid conclusion. It was clear before Apple added USB-C that USB-C would eventually be the dominate USB port interface type. If you took someone saying "this is the future of USB" and twisting that into some false reality that all USB-A, micro-USB-B, et al. USB ports would instantly drop of the face of the earth then that's all on you and others who choose to not to think rationally.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I never said anything was dead. That was the people defending the switch.
I wasn't my assumption. When someone says something is legacy they mean it's history.
I just wished Apple had taken a common sense approach to market realities at the time.
Your assumption was that everyone else said it was dead and you can’t prove that it was even a general sentiment. I’ve shown in a couple random posts on the subject that it wasn’t the sentiment. You’re weirdly patting yourself on the back for not having have an original thought and thinking what the majority was thinking. Well done, I guess.
I'm not patting myself on the back for anything and I was active in many threads on this subject because I was fully geared up and waiting for the announcement.
I'm not saying 'everyone' either, I said this:
"USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about."
Now, although the 'everyone' comment wasn't mine, it is perfectly fine when taken in context. In fact, you'd have to be very pedantic to even think it was meant to be literal.
Ironically you are now implying that a couple of random posts somehow does represent that it wasn't general sentiment.
It was a generalization and was very representative of what was being said on the forums back then.
@Xed is clearly either too daft to understand or arguing simply for the sake of arguing. Either way, reasonable arguments are completely lost on him so it’s best not to waste your time.
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I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.
Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/01/apple-please-move-us-all-to-usb-c-across-the-board-with-the-2019-iphone
Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/11/16/everything-you-need-to-know-about-usb-c-thunderbolt-3-on-apples-new-macbook-pro
So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone
The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.
While it would've been nice to have USB-A on the Mac notebooks you should be able to see why Apple didn't include them but did keep them on Mac desktops for many years.
and no, I can't see why Apple decided not to include the most common connector (not only at the time but for the coming 5-7 years) on a device that was designed to be portable, instead forcing people to tote a long a bunch of adapters.
I also find it amusing how people continue to either double down or to deny the past when confronted with it.
This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it.
I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off.
That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too.
My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.
Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.
A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense.
Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then we're around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen.
It doesn't really matter why or when Apple switched to USB-C just as it didn't matter when they switched to USB-A (whicH I"m sure you also got upset about at the time); what matters is how proceed as a consumer. Does the MacBook Pro with USB-C ports work for you? If it doesn't, then pick something else. Bitching that Apple isn't catering to your specific needs is silly. I'll have a lot of USB-A-... and USB-C-to-Lightning cables come next week and yet this won't see me complaining about the move to USB-C on the iPhone. Maybe you should consider a similar stance when it comes to inevitable, staggered transitions in electronics.
I did buy a USB-C dock for my MacBook Pro around 6 years ago and I'm not sure I've used it once. I don't regret having it and I do love that I can charge from any USB-C port (read: both sides of the Mac). I have USB-C cables for things I do need to connect, but most of the time it is wireless, as one might expect in 2023. (Please don't read that me saying that Ethernet will go away simply because I use wireless networking most of the time).
I wasn't my assumption. When someone says something is legacy they mean it's history.
I just wished Apple had taken a common sense approach to market realities at the time.
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I'm not saying 'everyone' either, I said this:
"USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about."
Now, although the 'everyone' comment wasn't mine, it is perfectly fine when taken in context. In fact, you'd have to be very pedantic to even think it was meant to be literal.
Ironically you are now implying that a couple of random posts somehow does represent that it wasn't general sentiment.
It was a generalization and was very representative of what was being said on the forums back then.